President Obama strongly condemns North Korea's Nuclear test and vows to...

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how big of test weapon was it i keep looking and all it says was underground test?
 

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I LOVE this post...Barry Obama has a great way with words and for that he is the President of our Great Country, BUT what the hell is he going to actually DO about it.......I have NO idea...I guess he'll just keep talking........

It doesn't matter who is President of the USA - Obama, McCain, Bush during his eight years, the person who follows Obama.

None would be able to do anything save for words with regard to North Korean having nuclear capability.
 

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We can't take away NK's nuclear capability unless we're willing to send in a couple hundred thousand military troops with an expected casualty rate of at least 2 to 3x what we've experienced so far in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And even after all that, it would still not prevent them from setting it up again whenever the hell they want.

ur, it won't be an invasion, it would be a strategic air strike

but with Mama Obama, it's more likely to be something like "it's not my fault, it's Bush's fault, so don't blame me if I can do anything about it".

because that's what every POTUS says about his predecessor. LOL

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Cool...More US military bombers dropping payloads on countries who have not attacked us.
 

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Yeah, bombing a country to cover up oral sex is so much better.
 

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It's is it time to blow them up and take their stuff. But first we should bring all the good people out of there and bring them to a State in America like say, New Orleans so they be safe. This is how I would roll!

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Yeah, bombing a country to cover up oral sex is so much better.

Not in my house. We rank them all as tied for Last Place in the Cowardly Bully rankings
 

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Cool...More US military bombers dropping payloads on countries who have not attacked us.

let's allow our known enemies to acquire WMD. After all, history tells us two things are obvious

1) North Korea has to be concerned that without a nuclear bomb their sovereignty is in jeopardy. The fact that they've haven't been overthrown in the last 55 years means nothing, and the fact that since they ceased their aggression they have not been involved in any wars means less.

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2) when you allow governments that openly disregard peace and the international community to acquire power, they tend to live in peace. As in never once in history.
 

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let's allow our known enemies to acquire WMD. After all, history tells us two things are obvious

1) North Korea has to be concerned that without a nuclear bomb their sovereignty is in jeopardy. The fact that they've haven't been overthrown in the last 55 years means nothing, and the fact that since they ceased their aggression they have not been involved in any wars means less.

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2) when you allow governments that openly disregard peace and the international community to acquire power, they tend to live in peace. As in never once in history.

You are absolutely right.

1) America has never used force to bring down a foreign country's government it didn't like.

2) Only enemies of America openly disregard peace and the international community to acquire (or use) power.
 

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which argument do you think tips the scale? For me, it's not even close. After all, there's a reason you're living in a democracy.
 

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Well, it's not like NK has my sympathies. But America's general attitude 'we are allowed to do things other are not because we are the good guys' is not really convincing, is it?
 

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It doesn't matter who is President of the USA - Obama, McCain, Bush during his eight years, the person who follows Obama.

None would be able to do anything save for words with regard to North Korean having nuclear capability.


I think you are mistaken on that Point......I was NOT a hugh Bush fan....I was a Ron paul fan....So I know what he would have done....I am just saying that Barrack is ALL talk....He'd be better off saying China, Japan, Russia...You deal with it...Thanwhat he's doing
 

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Well, it's not like NK has my sympathies. But America's general attitude 'we are allowed to do things other are not because we are the good guys' is not really convincing, is it?

It's not perfect.

I don't think we intended to be the world's police, I think we were adopted because 1) we could & 2) the rest of civilized society trusted us

In a time of peace, there is growing resentment towards us because of that roll. However, whenever the shit hits the fan, they all look to America to take the lead.

As I have said many a time, "we are always doing too much, except when we're doing too little".
 

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I don't think we intended to be the world's police, I think we were adopted because 1) we could & 2) the rest of civilized society trusted us

In a time of peace, there is growing resentment towards us because of that roll. However, whenever the shit hits the fan, they all look to America to take the lead.

The scary thing is that many Americans really believe this. In reality America always acts first and foremost in its own interest. How many of the wars America has waged were not dictated by American policies but were true "police actions" in favour of world security?
 

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The scary thing is that many Americans really believe this. In reality America always acts first and foremost in its own interest. How many of the wars America has waged were not dictated by American policies but were true "police actions" in favour of world security?

sorry, it's a fact. The world turns to us for leadership when a crisis arises. They want our military and our money, our charitable giving, our support and we rebuild their countries too, like yours.
 

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sorry, it's a fact. The world turns to us for leadership when a crisis arises. They want our military and our money, our charitable giving, our support and we rebuild their countries too, like yours.

What is a fact is that America almost without exception only fights when it has interests in the region. Time and again parts of the world where a "world police" would be needed are ignored because they are not important to America.
And the help is also usually only given with a look at the own interests. As you mention it, for example Western Germany undoubtedly profited a lot from American help after WWII, but those who believe this help was given simply because Americans are just so good-hearted are fools or idealists. The American politicians knew full well that they needed Western Germany as an ally to stop the expansion of communism and that there was a substantial danger that it would turn communist, too, if kept in poverty. Had Germany been without any interest for America it would have received very little, if anything.

I'm not saying looking out for your own interests is wrong. What makes me sick is the arrogance of those Americans who believe and try to make others believe that what America does comes solely from a love for the world and that the world should be grateful for this.
But, Willie, I know that you choose to see things differently, and I've had too many lengthy and pointless discussions with you (even about this very subject, I believe) to start another one. Believe what you want to believe, if it makes you feel good.
 

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let's allow our known enemies to acquire WMD. After all, history tells us two things are obvious

1) North Korea has to be concerned that without a nuclear bomb their sovereignty is in jeopardy. The fact that they've haven't been overthrown in the last 55 years means nothing, and the fact that since they ceased their aggression they have not been involved in any wars means less.

and

2) when you allow governments that openly disregard peace and the international community to acquire power, they tend to live in peace. As in never once in history.

Not all historical paradigms are assuredly predictable.

It's the 21st century.

If either NK or Iran elected to use their nuclear weaponry for offensive purposes, they would essentially be committing national suicide.

Now I realize there are a few folks who believe that one or both would ignore that inevitable outcome and initiate nuclear aggression regardless.

I can't talk someone out of that mindset if they're convinced of it, but I myself remain confident that regardless of political differences with the USA, neither NK nor Iran will be doing anything overt to hasten their own national destruction.
 

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