wilheim....ditto.....we may not always agree but i see that you are an independent thinker and are not afraid to step across party or ideological lines if your opinion on a subject varies from your general political philosophy(you said liberal lefties...i generally lean to the right.....but i fall somewhwere in the middle or to the left on some subjects).....i try and form my own opinions....
i get the impression that you do ,also.......i come onto forums like this to meet and converse with guys like yourself....
g.l.,bud...
i get the impression that you do ,also.......i come onto forums like this to meet and converse with guys like yourself....
g.l.,bud...
grantt is one of the most sober, educated and may i say important voices in a political forum frequented by under educated, obese and ignorant right wing hawks, even in his morst harsh he has a point.
wildbill said:
"I agree wholeheartedly. I will be the first to take a vow to never read or respond to a Grantt initiated post. Who else is with me? He won't go away, but we won't waste our time reading ridculous trash from the desk of disaffected communists..."
It comes to show yet again bill, what a bitter bigot you are, you use the word communist as if it where a swear word, like i ve said before, stick to american sports, (forget soccer bro, spend another 10 years till you get the sport before you offend others), stick to gambling too, your political knowledge is close to neil.
kman, you are one dumb fvck, sorry to say that, and if it need be let this thread be moved to the rubber room, but you are like entropy said in a lengthy post the epitomy of dumb, uneducated and ignorant. It's embarassing for some people who have actually bothered to read some tenths of books on politics and political reasoning to listen to your retarded crap.
wildbill said:
"I agree wholeheartedly. I will be the first to take a vow to never read or respond to a Grantt initiated post. Who else is with me? He won't go away, but we won't waste our time reading ridculous trash from the desk of disaffected communists..."
It comes to show yet again bill, what a bitter bigot you are, you use the word communist as if it where a swear word, like i ve said before, stick to american sports, (forget soccer bro, spend another 10 years till you get the sport before you offend others), stick to gambling too, your political knowledge is close to neil.
kman, you are one dumb fvck, sorry to say that, and if it need be let this thread be moved to the rubber room, but you are like entropy said in a lengthy post the epitomy of dumb, uneducated and ignorant. It's embarassing for some people who have actually bothered to read some tenths of books on politics and political reasoning to listen to your retarded crap.
Who have I offended other than you Jack? I gave up on making you happy, be pissed at me all you want I can easily return the favor. This is a posting board and I post, should I be banned for that??? And my political knowledge is close to nil? I took many classes of political science and international economics and I probably read five times the average amount on foreign relations and the world economy, how can I have no knowledge? Maybe you just don't like my opinions, but that doesn't mean I have no knowledge. But this is pointless, you go ahead and be rude to me Jack and keep kissing Grantt's ass in posts he starts, since I will ignore them I won't be disgusted by you and your attitude towards me anymore.
If one is a communist fine, so be it, there are many disaffected communists in the world and personally I think most of them spew a lot of garbage, that is my opinion. Communists are people too and surely are allowed an opinion and I am sure they wouldn't have a very flattering one of me and my beliefs.
What Grantt posts aren't opinions most of the time, they are "aren't you ashamed to be a ****ing American" posts. That is the problem with him. Its one thing to debate, its another to be a jerk and try to imply that you are a heartless idiot if you don't agree with him. I would have no problems if he said something like "I am bothered that 14 year old kid of Qusay died". Fine, so be it a lot of us would rather no civilians or soldiers die in Iraq. What tone Grantt always uses is "aren't you Americans ashamed that your army killed a 14 year old innocent child and how come you don't do something about it?" That is what bothers me about him and I think most people in here. He doesn't present views, he just tries to offend and insult us all. Sure there are some American posters that are offensive too, but I think most of us here are just trying to preserve our dignity in the face of these shameless attacks of which Grantt usually leads the way.
If one is a communist fine, so be it, there are many disaffected communists in the world and personally I think most of them spew a lot of garbage, that is my opinion. Communists are people too and surely are allowed an opinion and I am sure they wouldn't have a very flattering one of me and my beliefs.
What Grantt posts aren't opinions most of the time, they are "aren't you ashamed to be a ****ing American" posts. That is the problem with him. Its one thing to debate, its another to be a jerk and try to imply that you are a heartless idiot if you don't agree with him. I would have no problems if he said something like "I am bothered that 14 year old kid of Qusay died". Fine, so be it a lot of us would rather no civilians or soldiers die in Iraq. What tone Grantt always uses is "aren't you Americans ashamed that your army killed a 14 year old innocent child and how come you don't do something about it?" That is what bothers me about him and I think most people in here. He doesn't present views, he just tries to offend and insult us all. Sure there are some American posters that are offensive too, but I think most of us here are just trying to preserve our dignity in the face of these shameless attacks of which Grantt usually leads the way.
If you look, somewhere around 60% of Grantt posts are cut and pastes from various web-sites. These are fine in themselves, but are not what a Forum is really all about. Its about you and I exchanging our ideas and experience regarding a particular subject. Anybody can surf the net and copy someone elses ideas and rhetoric and paste it here. To be very honest with you I could care less if he continues to post here, I just wish he would try to have an original argument presented in a civil manner. Then perhaps he would get a lot more respect and response from the other posters in this forum.
wil.
wil.
i ve told you again bill, i considered you as one of the most eloquent and mindfull posters. Recently you ve demonstrated a very much less likable side to your posting persona, offensive to others who did not share your views (remember vg and the soccer forum), close mindedness, intolerance of others views, arrogance etc. etc.
I don't need to "kiss another poster's ass", i dont care, i agree with grantt most of the time, had he been given the chance to argue his views in a decent manner and not with uneducated idiots such as outandup and kman, he might not have lashed back they way he has.
I don't need to "kiss another poster's ass", i dont care, i agree with grantt most of the time, had he been given the chance to argue his views in a decent manner and not with uneducated idiots such as outandup and kman, he might not have lashed back they way he has.
"If you look, somewhere around 60% of Grantt posts are cut and pastes from various web-sites. These are fine in themselves, but are not what a Forum is really all about. Its about you and I exchanging our ideas and experience regarding a particular subject."
alright will, but don't you think that we get a lot of posters in here, mostly reactionary bigots, that are far, far worse than grantt? Uneducated, bigoted, racist, ignorant. I am not saying that i like grantt in his worst, which is vast generalizations about americans, what i am saying is that even at his worst he is by far better than some of the posters in here. If you could get a conservative who could actually express his view in a civil manner and argue with actual arguments instead of name calling, then grantt would respond accordingly, and he has to people such as phaedrus say. But how can one reason with types such as johnnie, outandup, kman?
alright will, but don't you think that we get a lot of posters in here, mostly reactionary bigots, that are far, far worse than grantt? Uneducated, bigoted, racist, ignorant. I am not saying that i like grantt in his worst, which is vast generalizations about americans, what i am saying is that even at his worst he is by far better than some of the posters in here. If you could get a conservative who could actually express his view in a civil manner and argue with actual arguments instead of name calling, then grantt would respond accordingly, and he has to people such as phaedrus say. But how can one reason with types such as johnnie, outandup, kman?
bol man, and btw good to see you back, dunno if i ve said that to you before but i meant to, also, you do give this place some much needed finesse and you are one of the posters here i both like and respect, arguments and differences of opinion aside.
btw, check the soccer forum in a few weeks or so, i ve been doing some serious studying for the next soccer season which will definately pay off. I ll try to post my most promising picks in the rubber room too.
again, bol with them last innings.
btw, check the soccer forum in a few weeks or so, i ve been doing some serious studying for the next soccer season which will definately pay off. I ll try to post my most promising picks in the rubber room too.
again, bol with them last innings.
Jack, you still on me for the VG comment??? I didn't direct it at him, I directed it at the concept of a team calling up its players to play in a two week tournament and then in the end having a rule that said they couldn't win the tournament, which in the end wasn't exactly true. I am sorry if you thought I was referring to the poster but quite honestly I was just referring to the idea that Brazil could have gone through all that effort and then had to watch another game a few days later when the "real" champion supposedly would have been crowned. It wasn't aimed at a poster and if it seemed that way then my apologies to him and you and anyone else offended. However your "other" side comes out when you rant endlessly about anything American. Its even worse when you come onto a thread about a tournament and all you do is badmouth one team in it because you don't like them much, but you offer nothing of substance to the thread beyond that. Its a common theme in the soccer board it seems beyond just you, come bash the Americans, but never say anything of substance and show you have absolutely no knowledge of the national teams involved. Notice I don't go to European matches and post rude comments or selections because that isn't what I watch. I watch games in Mexico and the US and couldn't care less about most European leagues, that is a personal choice. Yeah Europe has a better quality game, but so what? Why must you take an opinion on that and make insinuations that just because I watch the American team play that I must know nothing about the game? You never answered that question, but its obvious that you just like being anti-American and you just won't admit that.
Oh well, I get the feeling this part of the board really is just stupid. We all just agree to disagree and it devolves into petty arguments about who is right. I think Wilhelm had a good idea, just we should all remember this is a sports gambling posting board and we should focus on that and leave nationalistic spats to other people.
Oh well, I get the feeling this part of the board really is just stupid. We all just agree to disagree and it devolves into petty arguments about who is right. I think Wilhelm had a good idea, just we should all remember this is a sports gambling posting board and we should focus on that and leave nationalistic spats to other people.
If I can get some of you Americans that never do any research or read a book on your own to read and expand your minds and horizons beyond your own welfare and backyards then I'm doing a great service. Don't worry Krackman I won't be visiting your new site. Sonny I will join the masses on this one and not visit your site like the majority of sports forum posters. Peep ranks your site a "D" I think he was being generous. I rank it like I stated before the worst sports forum on the net bar none. If you don't believe me check it out for yourself.
Sonny's Place
Sonny's Place
Why is someone considered "educated" or "smart" just because they have or have not read X amount of political books? Can't a person draw their OWN conclusions? The generalizations about welfare and backyards are killing me. Personally, I think welfare stinks. So just because someone is not a radical left wing liberal, they must be uneducated, stupid, and ignorant. GOTCHA.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JackDee:
alright will, but don't you think that we get a lot of posters in here, mostly reactionary bigots, that are far, far worse than grantt? Uneducated, bigoted, racist, ignorant. But how can one reason with types such as johnnie, outandup, kman?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I seriously haven't seen any offensive posters with the exception of grantt and johnnie. They're both at opposite ends of the spectrum. Each has his/her right to their opinions. But these two just seem to feed the fire for the other.
When I read your posts Jack is appears to me at times you just don't like Americans that love their country. I'm American, and well educated. Know all about things my gov't. has done, the good, bad, and the ugly. But I still love my country. Doesn't mean I don't like and respect other countries, cultures, and beliefs. To each his own. Black, white, yellow, brown, capitalist, communist, and everything in between. Did I say communist? Whatever, to each his own. Kinda like being in the Wham fan club though if you ask me......long gone.
alright will, but don't you think that we get a lot of posters in here, mostly reactionary bigots, that are far, far worse than grantt? Uneducated, bigoted, racist, ignorant. But how can one reason with types such as johnnie, outandup, kman?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I seriously haven't seen any offensive posters with the exception of grantt and johnnie. They're both at opposite ends of the spectrum. Each has his/her right to their opinions. But these two just seem to feed the fire for the other.
When I read your posts Jack is appears to me at times you just don't like Americans that love their country. I'm American, and well educated. Know all about things my gov't. has done, the good, bad, and the ugly. But I still love my country. Doesn't mean I don't like and respect other countries, cultures, and beliefs. To each his own. Black, white, yellow, brown, capitalist, communist, and everything in between. Did I say communist? Whatever, to each his own. Kinda like being in the Wham fan club though if you ask me......long gone.
