Photo copies of license and credit card???

HABSMAN · Sep 4, 2003

I can't comment on Jagbet because I don't know their policy, but buying things on-line at stores etc. is a whole lot different than sending funds from your cc for the purpose of gambling cc companies reverse charges very easily when they have to do with gambling sites.
Maybe you can only send $500 max but 10 people who send $500 dollars and report their card stolen, or tell the cc company they have no idea who this gambling company is still adds up to 5 dimes for the company.
When hard core gamblers hit rock bottom they all try to do what they can to beat the system, and this is one of the ways they do it.

LuckyB · Sep 4, 2003

I understand what you're saying but let's take this approach to your scenario.

10 people open accounts at $500 with Jag with stolen cards. No problem without the documents, they still accept the deposit and charge the cards. 19 lose their deposit through wagers the first day. The 20th wins and goes back into the purse he jacked, sends off the license and CC to Jag, hopes the victim doesn't notice that her stuff is missing for the 10 required by Jag and cashes out. How did these documents protect, the victim, the book, or the bank?

And I wasn't asking for a payout above what I had put in. There was no action on my account at all. I was asking that the charges be reversed. How does having these documents protect anyone other than Jag (and their ability to say, "We have $X millions of dollars in wagering accounts" ?

bagoftricks · Sep 4, 2003

LuckyB although i do not agree 100% with the whole cc and id verification when withdrawing situation. The reason and the usual a book asks you to send in is a cc statement and a drivers license, where is someone that jacked your wallet going to get a cc statement with your cc billing address on it. You are exactly what is wrong with offshore betting today. Get pig headed freak out and chargeback and think about the consequences later.You and our likes are causing people a lot of pain. I hope it is worth it for you.
Would anybody agree with this comment?

LuckyB · Sep 4, 2003

10 required by Jag

That should read, "10 days"

oldmantime · Sep 4, 2003

I see no problem with sending then a cc statement and a utility bill---if that helps in some way. It's the driver's liscense that I object to.

Chadster · Sep 4, 2003

On BOTH sides of the counter of online gambling is a haven for scams and cons. It's ashame people don't respect other people looking out for them.

LuckyB · Sep 4, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by bag of tricks:
LuckyB although i do not agree 100% with the whole cc and id verification when withdrawing situation. The reason and the usual a book asks you to send in is a cc statement and a drivers license, where is someone that jacked your wallet going to get a cc statement with your cc billing address on it. You are exactly what is wrong with offshore betting today. Get pig headed freak out and chargeback and think about the consequences later.You and our likes are causing people a lot of pain. I hope it is worth it for you.
Would anybody agree with this comment?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? They are asking for a copy of my credit card (front/back) and driver's license. If you feel okay sending that stuff off, more power to you. I don't. And I don't understand how that is causing anybody any pain. I didn't make any wagers on the account because the bonus issue wasn't resolved. Sending this information is not going to happen and Jag has next to no customer service so the account is being closed with them. Has nothing to do with freaking out about losses or anything else.

Chadster · Sep 4, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by oldmantime:
That is exactly why I will NEVER have an account at PPATM or any book which asks for my DRIVER'S liscense.

They have my credit card--they have my address, they have my phone #, they even have my social security #. What the hell do they want with my driver's liscense!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

IF they have all that information on you WTF is the difference giving them your DL#? Does that make you sleep better at night knowing that is the only piece of ID they don't have for you?

HABSMAN · Sep 4, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by LuckyB:

10 people open accounts at $500 with Jag with stolen cards. No problem without the documents, they still accept the deposit and charge the cards. 19 lose their deposit through wagers the first day. The 20th wins and goes back into the purse he jacked, sends off the license and CC to Jag, hopes the victim doesn't notice that her stuff is missing for the 10 required by Jag and cashes out. How did these documents protect, the victim, the book, or the bank?

" ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I mentioned I can't comment on Jag...most books ask for the cc info and copies up front, if the documentation isn't at the book in 24 hours they suspend their wagering...the Jag way seems a little odd...

oldmantime · Sep 4, 2003

Jay Leno
A driver's liscense contains your picture. It is also what people exchange when in a small accident (it's used for driving). It contains a number that is unique to a driver's lisc. (it's not on my Credit card nor my social security #).

In short--if I don't need to give it to others for banking info--I"M DAMN SURE NOT SENDING IT OUT OF THE COUNTRY!

Chadster · Sep 4, 2003

It's merely a way to confirm ID. Like I said they have everything else except your mothers maiden name.

HABSMAN · Sep 4, 2003

And a DNA sample

bagoftricks · Sep 4, 2003

charge back = wrong and killing our industry

You do not want to send them a copy of your card that you have used to purchase a service from this company?

What if you were in a restaurant while you are on vacation. It is the same thing?

Just makes you look shady not to send this to them like you have something to hide, giving them every reason to stall.

I understand your hesitation in sending it but id ( not necessarily drivers license ) most books will accept a photo id and a utility bill is not the end of the world.

Again there is no need for chargebacks unless the book straight out stiffs you.

LuckyB · Sep 4, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by bag of tricks:
_charge back = wrong and killing our industry_

You do not want to send them a copy of your card that you have used to purchase a service from this company?

What if you were in a restaurant while you are on vacation. It is the same thing?

Just makes you look shady not to send this to them like you have something to hide, giving them every reason to stall.

I understand your hesitation in sending it but id ( not necessarily drivers license ) most books will accept a photo id and a utility bill is not the end of the world.

Again there is no need for chargebacks unless the book straight out stiffs you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correct. I do not want to send a copy of the front and back of my credit card to any company. If a restaurant asked for that I would leave and refuse to do business with them. And I didn't purchase any service from Jagbet, I made a deposit, have a problem with their policy, and would like my account closed. They are refusing to do that.

And if it look shady, wouldn't a better approach be to reverse any charges to the credit card and close the account immediately?

bagoftricks · Sep 4, 2003

Maybe i did not explain myself correctly.

What the hell do you think a deposit it is in the eyes of the sportsbook and credit card company,it is a purchase pure and simple. Transfer of $$$ from one bank to a merchant with a merchant license.

Do you think a deposit is classed different ?

No a deposit is a purchase the same as if you bought something from amazon or somewhere.

You have a problem with their policy in your opinion but many people can see their reasons behind it so that i why i find your actions annoying.

I have a problem with a lot of things that are 'normal' is everyday life.

You should not have charged back period.

Tell me someone around here agrees with me?

This is the lame brained shit that has us jumping through hoops.

LuckyB · Sep 4, 2003

You should not have charged back period.

I should have done what instead? Let them keep the $500 and moved on with my life? You're a friggin's moron if that's what you would have done.

They won't close the account, and they won't reverse the charges. I'm not sure why it's so difficult for you to understand that there is a security risks involved in sending off photocopies of these documents.

P.S. send me a photocopy of your license, CC's, social security number and birth certificate so that I know who I'm talking to.

dandy77 · Sep 4, 2003

If I steal someones credit card and open sports account in there name. Then I deposit with thier credit card and win. How do I get the winnings in MY hands?

bagoftricks · Sep 4, 2003

You do not understand how sportsbooks work and i do not think you want to either.

The majority of books do not want credit card fraud because it cuts their credibility and causes exactly the reaction you are showing us here.

A credit card company will always send the same amount deposited on a credit card when making a withdrawal back to the credit card used to deposit that was used to deposit with in the first place. If there is more money in the account after the cc deposits amount then it will only go to the billing address on the card that must be used to deposit.

You are totally unreasonable. Why did you not ask could you send them another form of id ?

LuckyB · Sep 4, 2003

All right Trick. You're clearly not understanding the points I'm trying to make and I really don't understand half of what you post so our portion of this disscussion has come to an end.

To the rest of the posting public, I'm afraid that I've drifted from the original point of this post which is, how exactly do these photcopies protect anybody involved and why are the neccessary to close an account that has seen zero action? It seems to me that the only reasoning behind these requests is that people don't feel comfortable sending them and the books use that as an excuse to withhold money.

As I've already pointed out, it doesn't stop the book from charging the credit card (Although, you're right Habs, this may only be Jag that does business this way, the other books that I tried to open an account with stated up front that they would not accept CC deposits prior to receiving the photo copies, which is of course, why I don't have accounts with them.) So it doesn't prevent fraudulent charges from that aspect. (But would be a hassle for the person whose card it was to get the charges reversed).

Thanks again everybody.

bagoftricks · Sep 5, 2003

Lucky

I am merely just trying to explain to you why a book would ask for these documents nothing more. I understand your points and respect them but I am just trying to show you that were alternatives than charging back and hurting the industry that we all hold in high regard.
We will not agree on this at all so I think it is better we agree to disagree.