PGA and LIV to merge

[Michelangelo]

You said that "now the right says that "the US government is no different than a Saudi run government".

Where did I come close to saying that? I said that we off people and the Saudis offed a guy. That is one teensy piece of how governments work. Far different from the governments are run the same way.

Twisted bullshit narrative by you.

 

[Avocado33]

I wonder how the PGA Commissioner keeps his job. Are they going to make him the face of this and then push him out next year?

Probably something like that

 

[Michelangelo]

annnddd you have nothing. Just like the bet.

"oooo crude please let me skate on the $500 i was confused."

I never said that. Prove it.

 

[crudebar]

Probably something like that

If pushing him out is with a golden parachute. Sure.

 

[crudebar]

I never said that. Prove it.

Again?

You really saying u didn't ask to call it even because you were confused?

How easily do u forget? Can u explain the government thing? You really forgot you said that also---already?

 

[crudebar]

Like when u first tried to tell AV the bet thing never happened.

Then of course "it happened but...."

The terms were so clear even your buddies couldn't find a loophole for you---you were literally the only one in the world that was confused.

 

[Ricboff]

I wonder how the PGA Commissioner keeps his job. Are they going to make him the face of this and then push him out next year?

The guy invoked 9-11 to wave the bloody shirt and how he's just pretending that was "information he had at the time."

Agreed. This is cartoonish . The guy did a 180, secretively, and no explanation as to why . What was straw that broke the camel's back ? lengthy Legal battles with the saudis having the deeper pockets? Discovery info may come out that would put the PGA in not so good light ? Or the flat out the massive infusion of Saudi cash ?

This agreement (as I have read ) keeps part of the PGA tour as a non- profit org .but a part of PGA tour now breaks into a new entity with the dt tour / Asian tour / Saudis (liv) as a for profit entity

It's fair to say jay is not strongly principled guy, and seems shameless too


Other than maybe Rory is there any PGA player that still has respect for him ? ..to your point how does he keeps this job ,lol

 

[Michelangelo]

There was a dispute about the wording of the bet. I don't remember the specifics. I was not the only one in the dispute. When some people I respected weighed in saying that I was on the wrong end of the dispute I paid immediately. The whole thing was adjudicated in a day or two.

But crudeass bringing it up as a smirch on my character is just further evidence of who he is. He was paid. And he was paid as soon as the dispute was resolved.

Disputes happen all the time in life. It's the action at the time of resolution that counts. I did everything expected of me. And promptly.

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I gave you this answer in the Kohl's thread. That's all there is. That's all any reasonable person needs. Sorry if you want to make it out to be some big boogeyman in your mind. I forgot about it long ago. With clear conscience. Just another bet to me.

I don't intend to go back and forth. You are definitely not worth the time over something that was settled long ago.

 

[crudebar]

There was a dispute about the wording of the bet. I don't remember the specifics. I was not the only one in the dispute. When some people I respected weighed in saying that I was on the wrong end of the dispute I paid immediately. The whole thing was adjudicated in a day or two.

But crudeass bringing it up as a smirch on my character is just further evidence of who he is. He was paid. And he was paid as soon as the dispute was resolved.

Disputes happen all the time in life. It's the action at the time of resolution that counts. I did everything expected of me. And promptly.

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I gave you this answer in the Kohl's thread. That's all there is. That's all any reasonable person needs. Sorry if you want to make it out to be some big boogeyman in your mind. I forgot about it long ago. With clear conscience. Just another bet to me.

I don't intend to go back and forth. You are definitely not worth the time over something that was settled long ago.

I initially asked u to talk about the Saudi government post.

U said you never said they were the same....then I took it back to the bet because you also initially denied that...

So explain ur post and how you weren't calling them the same about what we are discussing.

 

[Michelangelo]

I initially asked u to talking about the Saudi government post.

So do explain.

It's already been answered. Try post #121. Please keep up.

Total and complete truth twisting by you.

 

[crudebar]

You said that "now the right says that "the US government is no different than a Saudi run government".

Where did I come close to saying that? I said that we off people and the Saudis offed a guy. That is one teensy piece of how governments work. Far different from the governments are run the same way.

Twisted bullshit narrative by you.

Lol. We were talking about a murderous government and u said the US Is the same/no better. This is the whole basis of this thread and the reasons the PGA condemned the LIV and players who switched over.

What are we going to get into branches of government and their export/import views?

Whatever man. Lol

 

[Acebb]

He will be front and center for maybe a month.

He will than bury his head in his money and wait for the angrier to die down(as it always does)

Then come back like what he said and what he did never happened. Like most humans unforunately.

It will be the loyal golfers to the PGA Tour that will have to take the heat week in and week out for his words and following actions.

Perhaps - but the anger is from the players and the players have a lot of power. This isn't like MLB or NFL where the players play for an owner. I wonder if they will try to get him pushed out and possibly refuse to go along with this.

Remember, he gave the players no heads up at all. Some of them found out by reading twitter and another one got a text while he was working out.

 

[Acebb]

Agreed. This is cartoonish . The guy did a 180, secretively, and no explanation as to why . What was straw that broke the camel's back ? lengthy Legal battles with the saudis having the deeper pockets? Discovery info may come out that would put the PGA in not so good light ? Or the flat out the massive infusion of Saudi cash ?

This agreement (as I have read ) keeps part of the PGA tour as a non- profit org .but a part of PGA tour now breaks into a new entity with the dt tour / Asian tour / Saudis (liv) as a for profit entity

It's fair to say jay is not strongly principled guy, and seems shameless too


Other than maybe Rory is there any PGA player that still has respect for him ? ..to your point how does he keeps this job ,lol

Agree Ric - from what I've read and heard on radio not a single player or executive at the PGA knew this was coming. It will be so interesting to see how this unfolded once the story comes out.

This Monahan guy comes across as a clown.

 

[Acebb]

Haha, WTF is this!

PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan: ‘I regret’ not speaking to families of 9/11 before LIV Golf merger

The 9/11 Families United coalition condemned the merger agreement in a statement Tuesday.

“PGA Commissioner Jay Monahan co-opted the 9/11 community last year in the PGA’s unequivocal agreement that the Saudi LIV project was nothing more than sportswashing of Saudi Arabia’s reputation,” it said. “But now the PGA and Monahan appear to have become just more paid Saudi shills, taking billions of dollars to cleanse the Saudi reputation so that Americans and the world will forget how the Kingdom spent their billions of dollars before 9/11 to fund terrorism, spread their vitriolic hatred of Americans, and finance al Qaeda and the murder of our loved ones. Make no mistake — we will never forget.”

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Agree Ric - from what I've read and heard on radio not a single player or executive at the PGA knew this was coming. It will be so interesting to see how this unfolded once the story comes out.

This Monahan guy comes across as a clown.

More like Benedict Arnold

 

[crudebar]

Perhaps - but the anger is from the players and the players have a lot of power. This isn't like MLB or NFL where the players play for an owner. I wonder if they will try to get him pushed out and possibly refuse to go along with this.

Remember, he gave the players no heads up at all. Some of them found out by reading twitter and another one got a text while he was working out.

Of course he didn't give the players a HU. He stumped himself on his own question of "things change, what has changed?" You think he wanted to answer their questions or questions from 9/11 families?

Its clearly a money grab of which he castrated players who took the money. Now he is doing the exact same and having a very hard time spinning it as anything else.

 

[crudebar]

Jay only made this decision because it benefits himself and higher ups in golf monetarily.

There is 0 chance he did this without being assured he at the very least will be let go with a golden parachute.

U don't put on the wig and the nose and dance without knowledge that you will be rewarded handsomely for this....

Also fuck the cop out responses from those like Nicklaus that simply said "I am happy for anything that benefits golf." Really? Thats is as much as ur mind can comprehend?

Edit: and yes I am well aware Jack turned down their money when LIV was first starting.

 

[Avocado33]

You said that "now the right says that "the US government is no different than a Saudi run government".

Where did I come close to saying that? I said that we off people and the Saudis offed a guy. That is one teensy piece of how governments work. Far different from the governments are run the same way.

Twisted bullshit narrative by you.

Your quote was:


"Americans crack me up.

The Saudis offed a guy. Big f'n deal. They had their reasons.

We off plenty of guys. We have our reasons.

What's the f'n difference?"


Maybe you didn't say it directly, but in the context of the discussion it seems like you are saying Americans/Saudis are basically one in the same.

People don't hate the Saudis because they "offed a guy"

 

[GoSooners]

Agree Ric - from what I've read and heard on radio not a single player or executive at the PGA knew this was coming. It will be so interesting to see how this unfolded once the story comes out.

This Monahan guy comes across as a clown.Keep an eye on

Agree Ric - from what I've read and heard on radio not a single player or executive at the PGA knew this was coming. It will be so interesting to see how this unfolded once the story comes out.

This Monahan guy comes across as a clown.

Keep an eye on Monahan's bank account.

Nobody saw this coming. It's unfathomable that Monahan made this decision without consulting the PGA Tour players. Tiger Woods, Jack and others should form their own Professional Golfer's League Tour. I'm sure there would be plenty of sponsors and form a tour that benefits the players and has the integrity of the game they want. Doubt it will happen because of greed, but I would love to see some of these players snub their noses at the merge.

 

[Michelangelo]

Your quote was:


"Americans crack me up.

The Saudis offed a guy. Big f'n deal. They had their reasons.

We off plenty of guys. We have our reasons.

What's the f'n difference?"


Maybe you didn't say it directly, but in the context of the discussion it seems like you are saying Americans/Saudis are basically one in the same.

People don't hate the Saudis because they "offed a guy"

From US News today:

President Joe Biden adopts a tougher stance over Saudi Arabia's rights record. As a presidential candidate, Biden had vowed to make Riyadh a "pariah" over the Khashoggi killing.

President Joseph Biden flipped the bird to the Saudis many times beginning with his Presidental debates when running for the Presidency. But when an oil crisis developed in this country because of President Joseph Biden's restrictive oil policies he went begging to the Saudis to increase production and they told him to fuck off.

This Biden position re Khashoggi was not / is not held exclusively by Democrats. It also bleeds amongst some in the Republican party. Thus "Americans crack me up." It was being expressed in this very thread by your enemy, er I mean buddy.

I personally think President Joseph Biden and anyone else who holds this position to be fools. Because many governments, including ours, are guilty of killing people who they consider to be a threat to their sovereignty. It was childish and short sighted of Bidden to make it a wedge issue with the country who holds the most significant levers in the oil industry. And also a country who has not been openly hostile to our strongest middle eastern ally, Israel. They are also one of our (US compaies) biggest customers for weaponry. That's a good thing for two reasons. 1) those weapons pump a lot of money into our GPD creating good paying jobs for thousands of Americans. And 2) They are an armed enemy of Iran , thereby serving as a check on the largest terrorist state in the world.

They are an important US ally. Tell that to Joe Biden. He's too shortsighted to understand the geopolitical ramifications of his phony condemnations.

Get it now?

This has nothing to do with our government being the same as their government. Jeesh.

What does this have to do with governments being run the same way? I never said or insinuated any such thing. Please stick to the specific issue being discussed.