Overlooked Issue:
Al Qaeda is not a recognized army or government by the principles of the Geneva Convention... They are Terrorists pure and simple that will stop at nothing to kill and eliminate all infidels... How quickly we forget about all the brutal tactics and beheadings they orchestrated... Citizens want domestic security and their freedoms protected, but don't have the stomach to stand by their military and intelligence organizations when it comes time to get the job done....
Al Qaeda is not a recognized army or government by the principles of the Geneva Convention... They are Terrorists pure and simple that will stop at nothing to kill and eliminate all infidels... How quickly we forget about all the brutal tactics and beheadings they orchestrated... Citizens want domestic security and their freedoms protected, but don't have the stomach to stand by their military and intelligence organizations when it comes time to get the job done....
George W. Bush’s Justice Department said subjecting a person to the near-drowning of waterboarding was not a crime and didn’t even cause pain, but Ronald Reagan’s Justice Department thought otherwise, prosecuting a Texas sheriff and three deputies for using the practice to get confessions.
Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies. But that 1983 case – which would seem to be directly on point for a legal analysis on waterboarding two decades later – was never mentioned in the four Bush administration opinions released last week.
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Two Witnesses Describe Torture by Texas Sheriff
UPI
Published: September 2, 1983
Two convicted burglars testified today that they had watched in fear as a former east Texas sheriff and his deputies used a water torture.
''I was real nervous,'' said one witness, Ernest Charles Lewis.
''I felt I was going to go through the same thing.''
Mr. Lewis, 26 years old, and Vernon Perry, 27, both convicted of burglary in 1976, said they saw the former San Jacinto County Sheriff, James Parker, direct his deputies to coerce confessions from two burglary suspects by draping a towel over each man's face and pouring water over it until the men gagged.
Mr. Parker, 47, and his former deputies, Carl Lee, 63, Floyd Allen Baker, 40, and John Glover, 65, are accused in Federal court of violating the civil rights of at least six prisoners.
Mr. Parker was sheriff in rural San Jacinto County, 60 miles northeast of Houston, from 1969 until March.
here is the original link to the
NYTimes article from 1983
It is interesting that to Obama and his Liberal followers that getting information from terrorist thugs (waterboarding, loud music, lack of sleep time, etc...) is so bad and that Pres. Bush should be brought up on charges, don't have any problem with innocent unborn babies being tortured thru abortion. Terrorist have decided to kill people, especially Americans and the abortion of an unborn child is usually a result of somebody not having any protection at the time, just my two cents worth.:think2:
Good news. Over 85% of abortions are embryos or tiny barely developed fetuses.
Abortion techniques have improved so that within just a couple seconds, the unwanted scudder is flushed out of the woman's body and she's on her way to a much better life.
So weep not for the eight ounce embyro and it's two seconds of "torture".
To quote one of our more active posters here in the ol' PoliticoPub, it's pretty much akin to just spraying a tiny cockroach with RAID. It might flop around for a few seconds, but then you can just scoop it up in a tissue and flush it down the drain.
I don't know why, but Barman gets some kind of sick jollies from
making humor over abortion. It's proved to be habitual on here.
I think he gets even more jollies thinking about how much it
disturbs those who consider human life sacred, and abortion to be
abominable.
I've learned to just shake my head in disgust.
Sometimes Barman is pretty funny on here, but this case I find to
be quite a bit over the top, and disturbing.
Perhaps if you've not met as many women as I have who are thankful they had legal access to terminating an unwanted pregnancy as fast as possible, my description of the process might seem alarming.
Bottom line with my earlier post is that 85% or more of abortions in North America involve an organism that is utterly incapable of feeling "torture", so the analogy lobbed up by J1961 was frankly kinda silly.
Bottom line with my earlier post is that 85% or more of abortions in North America involve an organism that is utterly incapable of feeling "torture", so the analogy lobbed up by J1961 was frankly kinda silly.
An article worth reading
A New Defense Posture: Bend Over Backward
By THOMAS SOWELL | Posted Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:20 PM PT
It used to be said that self-preservation is the first law of nature. But much of what has been happening in recent times in the United States, and in Western civilization in general, suggests that survival is taking a back seat to the shibboleths of political correctness.
We have already turned loose dozens of captured terrorists who have resumed their terrorism. Why? Because they have been given "rights" that exist neither in our laws nor under international law.
These are not criminals in our society, entitled to the protection of the Constitution of the United States. They are not prisoners of war entitled to the protection of the Geneva Conventions.
There was a time when people who violated the rules of war were not entitled to turn around and claim the protection of those rules. German soldiers who put on U.S. military uniforms, in order to infiltrate American lines during the Battle of the Bulge, were simply lined up against a wall and shot.
Nobody even thought that this was a violation of the Geneva Conventions. American authorities filmed the mass executions. Nobody dreamed up fictitious "rights" for these enemy combatants who had violated the rules of war. Nobody thought we had to prove that we were nicer than the Nazis by bending over backward.
Bending over backward is a very bad position from which to try to defend yourself. Nobody in those days confused bending over backward with "the rule of law," as Barack Obama did recently. Bending over backward is the antithesis of the rule of law. It is depriving the people of the protection of their laws, in order to pander to mushy notions among the elite.
Even under the Geneva Conventions, enemy soldiers have no right to be turned loose before the war is over. Terrorists — "militants" or "insurgents" for those of you who are squeamish — have declared open-ended war against America. It is open-ended in time and open-ended in methods, including beheadings of innocent civilians.
President Obama can ban the phrase "war on terror," but he cannot ban the terrorists
Copyright 2008 Creators Syndicate, Inc
A New Defense Posture: Bend Over Backward
By THOMAS SOWELL | Posted Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:20 PM PT
It used to be said that self-preservation is the first law of nature. But much of what has been happening in recent times in the United States, and in Western civilization in general, suggests that survival is taking a back seat to the shibboleths of political correctness.
We have already turned loose dozens of captured terrorists who have resumed their terrorism. Why? Because they have been given "rights" that exist neither in our laws nor under international law.
These are not criminals in our society, entitled to the protection of the Constitution of the United States. They are not prisoners of war entitled to the protection of the Geneva Conventions.
There was a time when people who violated the rules of war were not entitled to turn around and claim the protection of those rules. German soldiers who put on U.S. military uniforms, in order to infiltrate American lines during the Battle of the Bulge, were simply lined up against a wall and shot.
Nobody even thought that this was a violation of the Geneva Conventions. American authorities filmed the mass executions. Nobody dreamed up fictitious "rights" for these enemy combatants who had violated the rules of war. Nobody thought we had to prove that we were nicer than the Nazis by bending over backward.
Bending over backward is a very bad position from which to try to defend yourself. Nobody in those days confused bending over backward with "the rule of law," as Barack Obama did recently. Bending over backward is the antithesis of the rule of law. It is depriving the people of the protection of their laws, in order to pander to mushy notions among the elite.
Even under the Geneva Conventions, enemy soldiers have no right to be turned loose before the war is over. Terrorists — "militants" or "insurgents" for those of you who are squeamish — have declared open-ended war against America. It is open-ended in time and open-ended in methods, including beheadings of innocent civilians.
President Obama can ban the phrase "war on terror," but he cannot ban the terrorists
Copyright 2008 Creators Syndicate, Inc
