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The Pats are now 25-27 since Tom Brady left.
NE lost and failed to cover week 1.
 

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Outgained Eagles by 130 yards and fucked it up with a bad start and choking. Don't trust Jones as a winner. What he did at Alabama means nothing to me.
 

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Outgained Eagles by 130 yards and fucked it up with a bad start and choking. Don't trust Jones as a winner. What he did at Alabama means nothing to me.
Absouletly he had more talent on the offensive side at Bama than he does in New England
 

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Crock of shit - he's never "getting it done" ever - em days ova
 

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I’m quite optimistic on the Pats this season. That defense is going to be really good, not Jets good, but should be superior to BUF and MIA.

Not sold on Jones, just don’t think he’s the guy, but if he progresses even marginally the Pats should be right in the thick of it in the East. Miami’s has tons of holes, no defense, can’t run the ball, etc. I look for NE put it on them Sunday night. Defenses that can stop the run should give NE trouble, but they’ll be deadly when they can get the ground game going.

It’s not like Rodgers was in his prime or anything, but he’s a massive upgrade to Wilson, who should cost the Jets a few games with his horrific decision making.
 

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A tipped pass pick 6 and a TD after a fumble deep in Patriots territory were the Eagles' only touchdowns. Two of their FGs were over 50 yards. It was a good win for Philly, but I wouldn't write off New England and Belichick yet. Their defense is legit and their offense and special teams are an improvement over last year.
 

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I don't understand all of the hate towards New England.

They lost Tom Brady -- the greatest quarterback of all time. Did people think they were going to still be this incredible dynasty? Especially when you have these competitive teams with excellent QB's in the conference.

They've been a plucky team ever since Brady left despite having below average offensive talent. Some of the lack of talent is obviously on Belichick, but honestly I don't think he's ever been the greatest talent evaluator on that side of the ball.

They've still had some good defenses and haven't seemed to miss much of a beat there.

I don't really get why people thought they'd be some bottom feeder this year. I guess the season is young, but there's a lot to like about them in a division where all the teams are pretty flawed (though none of them suck).

That first game showed some reason for optimism, even if it's just a Week 1 game. They really flustered a potent offense and quarterback, and probably should have won the game -- were the better team overall I'd say.
 

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Mac Jones isn't supposed to be anything special. He's had a fine career so far I'd say, maybe even a little better than I thought he'd be.

He's never going to be elite -- and I don't think anyone has ever expected him to.
 

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I don't understand all of the hate towards New England.

They lost Tom Brady -- the greatest quarterback of all time. Did people think they were going to still be this incredible dynasty? Especially when you have these competitive teams with excellent QB's in the conference.

They've been a plucky team ever since Brady left despite having below average offensive talent. Some of the lack of talent is obviously on Belichick, but honestly I don't think he's ever been the greatest talent evaluator on that side of the ball.

They've still had some good defenses and haven't seemed to miss much of a beat there.

I don't really get why people thought they'd be some bottom feeder this year. I guess the season is young, but there's a lot to like about them in a division where all the teams are pretty flawed (though none of them suck).

That first game showed some reason for optimism, even if it's just a Week 1 game. They really flustered a potent offense and quarterback, and probably should have won the game -- were the better team overall I'd say.


Obviously people thought they were going to still be perennial contenders when Brady and Phillip Dorset left. That was made clear by several people on this board. Brady was just another in the long line that time had passed and the machine would roll on.

I dunno what plucky means, but 25-27 is mediocre by any nfl standards, but especially so if you’re considered the best coach ever. Then it’s awful.

People thought that Cassell/Garapollo shit was real and not small sample based, is what it is.

but I think they can be OK this year too, doesn’t take much to compete once teams start dying off left and right. And NE doesn’t even have much talent anyway so injuries don’t hurt them as much as others.
 

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Obviously people thought they were going to still be perennial contenders when Brady and Phillip Dorset left. That was made clear by several people on this board. Brady was just another in the long line that time had passed and the machine would roll on.

I dunno what plucky means, but 25-27 is mediocre by any nfl standards, but especially so if you’re considered the best coach ever. Then it’s awful.

People thought that Cassell/Garapollo shit was real and not small sample based, is what it is.

but I think they can be OK this year too, doesn’t take much to compete once teams start dying off left and right. And NE doesn’t even have much talent anyway so injuries don’t hurt them as much as others.
I mean yeah those people were just biased/wrong then

.500ish with the corpse of Cam Newton and a young/low ceiling quarterback and not much offensive talent seems about as good as you can expect over a few seasons

The Patriot offense was pretty rough even Brady’s last year there
 

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If you think they saddled themselves with a low ceiling quarterback and not much offensive talent then that’s you hating on their management in a round about way

There is almost nothing worse you can do in the nfl than saddle yourself with a low ceiling quarterback and minimal offensive talent.

That’s not what you wanna do, makes sense people would critique it.
 

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If you think they saddled themselves with a low ceiling quarterback and not much offensive talent then that’s you hating on their management in a round about way

There is almost nothing worse you can do in the nfl than saddle yourself with a low ceiling quarterback and minimal offensive talent.

That’s not what you wanna do, makes sense people would critique it.
Sure that’s fine

But I don’t think they could have done significantly better in terms of accruing talent. It just kinda is what it is
 

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I got NE over 6.5 wins -122 on FanDuel last night after Rodgers injury

Just think they’re gonna have to suck pretty bad to not get to 7-10

Jets 2x, raiders, colts, giants, commies and perhaps more injuries to come. There’s enough low hanging fruit to take out there. Would’ve said same thing last year when they faced 7 backup QBs though

If BB can’t get 7 then fuck that, I’ll change my screen name to FiveHundredFishichick
 

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Sure that’s fine

But I don’t think they could have done significantly better in terms of accruing talent. It just kinda is what it is

huh? Of course they could’ve, they had 3 years. You just draft better. Make a trade that takes some risk like so many other teams have.

The nfl doesn’t say “hey Patriots, you had Brady for 19 so we’re gonna make you take Mac Jones as your QB and Kendrick Bourne is gonna be your #1 WR for the foreseeable future, OK?”

this isn’t the nba where talent is so scarce and 10 players run the league, you just manage the team better like some other teams have.
 

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huh? Of course they could’ve, they had 3 years. You just draft better. Make a trade that takes some risk like so many other teams have.

The nfl doesn’t say “hey Patriots, you had Brady for 19 so we’re gonna make you take Mac Jones as your QB and Kendrick Bourne is gonna be your #1 WR for the foreseeable future, OK?”

this isn’t the nba where talent is so scarce and 10 players run the league, you just manage the team better like some other teams have.
Easier said than done

But to reiterate, I’m not saying they’ve been exceptional in their decision making. I just don’t think post Brady has been some colossal failure or that the team is a bottom feeder

It’s been very fine/OK
 

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haha, yeah i remember a thread a few yrs back- folks had fallen in love with Belichick. That he was even more valuable than an elite qb ,like Mahommes. Yeah, im serious , a guy on the sidelines LOL

25-27...and on Sunday Belichick was wishing #12 was leaving the huddle late in the game...... with excellent field position i might add

who knew that he couldnt mold/develop just any qb into the likes of a Brady?....
 

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I guess part of my point is even during the dynasty the offensive skill position drafting left a lot to be desired . So everything since hasn’t seemed uncharacteristic
 

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You don’t hire a defensive coordinator to be the OC lol

I mean a team goes 25-26 in 3 years, my initial thought isn’t “ahh well, shit happens”, they probably missed quite a few things.

I think the opinion you’re trying to make is more of a betting opinion AV. The hate has gone too far and there is some value in current #s across diff markets.

But the way you are expressing that “ya know they don’t have much offensive talent, hard to hate too much”…You get to pick your own players in the NFL. You can trade for AJ brown like the eagles did to help hurts or hill to help Tua when on rookie deals, there is a lot of optionality for nfl teams.

It’s not preordained you get Matt Patricia calling plays with Kendrick Bourne as your best player.
 

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