General,
Pariaction has been harassed to no end by jjgold (starting at MW). Now whether you think jj is exposing them as a sub par book, or you think he is just being a-hole, Pariaction has pretty much said they/he aren't going to take it anymore. Plus Shrink was quite clear that jj was going to allowed to say whatever he likes about Pari.
Additionally, Shrink was critical of the way they made promotional style posts. Bailouts plans, at least the way they seem to be done now, are very much like just really good bonuses. I think Pari not posting here could be seen as not using this sites resources.
So take the two things together, and I would say that is close to your answer.
Pariaction has been harassed to no end by jjgold (starting at MW). Now whether you think jj is exposing them as a sub par book, or you think he is just being a-hole, Pariaction has pretty much said they/he aren't going to take it anymore. Plus Shrink was quite clear that jj was going to allowed to say whatever he likes about Pari.
Additionally, Shrink was critical of the way they made promotional style posts. Bailouts plans, at least the way they seem to be done now, are very much like just really good bonuses. I think Pari not posting here could be seen as not using this sites resources.
So take the two things together, and I would say that is close to your answer.
Thanks lakerfan.
You mean to tell me that this book would not want to share their offer to help stiffed gamblers because of a post by jjgold. Jesus, there is something in this world called maturity.
Shrink made a comment that he did not want them promoting here. They do not pay to ad, so that is fair.
Posters are allowed to share their opinions. Thus, JJgold can post freely here like anyone.
If pariaction is going to let one poster & rules that apply to many interfere with their ability to communicate with many gamblers, then so be it i guess. Says alot about their ability to function with criticism.
I wish everyone the best.
The door is open & the lights are on Allworld.
Hope to see you posting here in the future.
You mean to tell me that this book would not want to share their offer to help stiffed gamblers because of a post by jjgold. Jesus, there is something in this world called maturity.
Shrink made a comment that he did not want them promoting here. They do not pay to ad, so that is fair.
Posters are allowed to share their opinions. Thus, JJgold can post freely here like anyone.
If pariaction is going to let one poster & rules that apply to many interfere with their ability to communicate with many gamblers, then so be it i guess. Says alot about their ability to function with criticism.
I wish everyone the best.
The door is open & the lights are on Allworld.
Hope to see you posting here in the future.
lakerfan I expose them as a sub par operation period. If he cannot take it or ignore it he does not belong on any forum boards period. All my years gambling offshore and experience I have starting from the beginning of offshore gambling qualifies me to advise posters where not to play. Maybe he realizes I am right and changes need to be made in his operation and now feels guilty posting here, there are no cheerleaders here defending him, Kenny is a neutral party. I also did not like how he through his weight around here like he owned this place, last I heard, Kenny owns the forum. Lakerfan I am a company man.
Good Luck To You
Good Luck To You
I agree jj should be allowed to post freely like all other posters, but this kid is continuously doing the attack on pari with false accusations!!!!!!!!!
The presense of this clown is definitely lowering the rating of the Rx because information being exchanged has much less creditability.
This clown with his 'live and death' posts attacks pari being a clone shop, that's fine because they are. But in the same breathe he's touting CBS which is even more of a clone shop! Say jj, have you ever even played with CBS?
Now jj, you like to claim yourself to be an authority in the offshore industry, but what is your understanding of accounting other than Enron and Arthur Anderson to make a statement like:
"escrow means nothing, owners can override auditors anytime"
Maybe in your own fantasy world or James Bond movies they can,but such is definitely not the case in the real world. Wakeup kid!
I happened to be a CPA (you do know what that stands for, do you?) and certainly do not appeciate an irresponsible ass-sucking kid to make statements like that in an open forum.
Do you actually know anything about the offshore?
The presense of this clown is definitely lowering the rating of the Rx because information being exchanged has much less creditability.
This clown with his 'live and death' posts attacks pari being a clone shop, that's fine because they are. But in the same breathe he's touting CBS which is even more of a clone shop! Say jj, have you ever even played with CBS?
Now jj, you like to claim yourself to be an authority in the offshore industry, but what is your understanding of accounting other than Enron and Arthur Anderson to make a statement like:
"escrow means nothing, owners can override auditors anytime"
Maybe in your own fantasy world or James Bond movies they can,but such is definitely not the case in the real world. Wakeup kid!
I happened to be a CPA (you do know what that stands for, do you?) and certainly do not appeciate an irresponsible ass-sucking kid to make statements like that in an open forum.
Do you actually know anything about the offshore?
You can throw auditors right out the window when dealing with illegal offshore operations. Escrow means nothing, Pariaction can steal your money at any time.
It is the same comparison as saying a drug lord has a cpa firm auditing the money, it is exactly the same.
Guy every shop is illegal offshore and the us gov't if they wanted can slap easy 20 year sentences on any offshore operator without blinking an eye. They break at least 15 lawys a day, forget the escrow and licensing bull shit, every shop operates illegally. You deal to Americans you are breaking about 15 laws easy. How about another 10 violations on money laundering and tax evasion. Our gov't cannot dig up laws that you would not believe..
So I do not want to hear about Escrow and pariaction, it is bullshit and a conman just throwing impressive accounting, accountabilty garbage at us.
If USA concentrated on closing these shops it would be done in 2 hours and all owners would be tracked down and put in jail.They break every law you can think of having to do with wire acts ang gambling and yes they are all federal offenses.
lucygoosy your out of your league with me son
It is the same comparison as saying a drug lord has a cpa firm auditing the money, it is exactly the same.
Guy every shop is illegal offshore and the us gov't if they wanted can slap easy 20 year sentences on any offshore operator without blinking an eye. They break at least 15 lawys a day, forget the escrow and licensing bull shit, every shop operates illegally. You deal to Americans you are breaking about 15 laws easy. How about another 10 violations on money laundering and tax evasion. Our gov't cannot dig up laws that you would not believe..
So I do not want to hear about Escrow and pariaction, it is bullshit and a conman just throwing impressive accounting, accountabilty garbage at us.
If USA concentrated on closing these shops it would be done in 2 hours and all owners would be tracked down and put in jail.They break every law you can think of having to do with wire acts ang gambling and yes they are all federal offenses.
lucygoosy your out of your league with me son
Where are the false accuasations
They have numerous broken down software problems, late to put lines up and very inconsistent and clone lines and in my opinion there group of books are all a piece of garbage.
If you read a lot of my posts son, they are on the money and I have been hitting my predictions very well lately.I am no rookie and hard to get stuff by me.
[This message was edited by jjgold on May 11, 2003 at 08:11 AM.]
They have numerous broken down software problems, late to put lines up and very inconsistent and clone lines and in my opinion there group of books are all a piece of garbage.
If you read a lot of my posts son, they are on the money and I have been hitting my predictions very well lately.I am no rookie and hard to get stuff by me.
[This message was edited by jjgold on May 11, 2003 at 08:11 AM.]
General,
Lakerfan answered your reply for me and so did Lucy. Why bother with a site when all a shop does is get beat up? I know the Rx is one of the largest sites involving gambling information on the web but it's not the only site. Pariaction is helping out people that got stiffed while also helping their business grow... a good deal for all involved. The fact that they chose not to post it on the Rx should make those involved take a step back and maybe reconsider their attitudes toward this operation. Basically, all this negativity towards them will cost some Rx poster or posters money.
Lakerfan answered your reply for me and so did Lucy. Why bother with a site when all a shop does is get beat up? I know the Rx is one of the largest sites involving gambling information on the web but it's not the only site. Pariaction is helping out people that got stiffed while also helping their business grow... a good deal for all involved. The fact that they chose not to post it on the Rx should make those involved take a step back and maybe reconsider their attitudes toward this operation. Basically, all this negativity towards them will cost some Rx poster or posters money.
max,
i don't agree with you. A sportsbook who behaves this badly on the forums is not the type the rx should bother with. Ken does a good job of sticking up for the players and he even emailed pari to invite them here to explain why they wouldnt offer the bailout plan to rx posters. This is immature.
i don't agree with you. A sportsbook who behaves this badly on the forums is not the type the rx should bother with. Ken does a good job of sticking up for the players and he even emailed pari to invite them here to explain why they wouldnt offer the bailout plan to rx posters. This is immature.
I understand what you are saying Max.
Still, I think the players are the ones getting the short end of it.
You don't try to help the players because they post at a site where you have a petty squabble going on???
What about the books best interest?? Why post it at MW where you already have those players??
Are the posters here bad people because they post here and not across the street???
I just kind of expect a sportsbook to be above that kind of stuff, but I do see where they were coming from.
I can see why they would not want to help Ken and JJ, but they are not the ones who would receive the offer...
Still, I think the players are the ones getting the short end of it.
You don't try to help the players because they post at a site where you have a petty squabble going on???
What about the books best interest?? Why post it at MW where you already have those players??
Are the posters here bad people because they post here and not across the street???
I just kind of expect a sportsbook to be above that kind of stuff, but I do see where they were coming from.
I can see why they would not want to help Ken and JJ, but they are not the ones who would receive the offer...
There is a poster who is about as "informed" as anyone I know in the industry....
He uses the posting hanlde of "historian" and I'd like to remind everyone about his take on the Pariaction group in a recent post of his...
BIG CITY was a joke from the start and should never been allowed to advertise or be on Don Best. The main guy at Big City tanked Skybook and was rescued by RIO only to immediately try to take back a bunch of the business they sold not to mention they underestimated the liabilities which forced RIO to pay these players also.
FT. KNOX/PARIACTION is a whole different situation. They rescued players at Direct Bet and All World after management (I know everybody likes Rick) ran these places into the ground. Since that time the management of PariAction which includes Wally and Ron have shown nothing but arrogance and ignorance. The PariAction group may have more money then anyone except the Horizon20 group but their business model was flawed and their bookmaking ideas have been ill advised at best. Also they made it a habit of trying to use their size and advertising dollar to influence many of the articles that appeared on offshore sites.
And yes that whole Trust account idea was amusing especially when their own accountant decided not to sign off on it. Rick is a great guy and All World should be considered one of the safest places to play but the question is: Do you WANT to do business with these guys????
Also for the record Sting's article about books slow paying was so far off the mark that he should be banned for stupidity. I know that there are plenty of 6 and occasionally 7 figure payouts being made by many of the DB books and others like SOS and Del Mar. Most of the DB books have been doing very well and if players stick with the large well established operations they will have no problems.
Good Luck to All
He uses the posting hanlde of "historian" and I'd like to remind everyone about his take on the Pariaction group in a recent post of his...
BIG CITY was a joke from the start and should never been allowed to advertise or be on Don Best. The main guy at Big City tanked Skybook and was rescued by RIO only to immediately try to take back a bunch of the business they sold not to mention they underestimated the liabilities which forced RIO to pay these players also.
FT. KNOX/PARIACTION is a whole different situation. They rescued players at Direct Bet and All World after management (I know everybody likes Rick) ran these places into the ground. Since that time the management of PariAction which includes Wally and Ron have shown nothing but arrogance and ignorance. The PariAction group may have more money then anyone except the Horizon20 group but their business model was flawed and their bookmaking ideas have been ill advised at best. Also they made it a habit of trying to use their size and advertising dollar to influence many of the articles that appeared on offshore sites.
And yes that whole Trust account idea was amusing especially when their own accountant decided not to sign off on it. Rick is a great guy and All World should be considered one of the safest places to play but the question is: Do you WANT to do business with these guys????
Also for the record Sting's article about books slow paying was so far off the mark that he should be banned for stupidity. I know that there are plenty of 6 and occasionally 7 figure payouts being made by many of the DB books and others like SOS and Del Mar. Most of the DB books have been doing very well and if players stick with the large well established operations they will have no problems.
Good Luck to All
Ken,
Your post says that Allworld is a safe place to play and that they have a lot of money. And I assume they pay. So what's the negative for the player? I can understand that you might not want to do business with them and that's damn sure your perogative. It's your site and I personally won't do business with someone that I don't trust or like which I guess is the case here. But, on the other hand, I guess that's their view also. Why should someone bother with a site when they get pounded all the time. And from what that article you posted says, for no reason. Maybe I missed something in the article that was negative from the player's perspective.
Your post says that Allworld is a safe place to play and that they have a lot of money. And I assume they pay. So what's the negative for the player? I can understand that you might not want to do business with them and that's damn sure your perogative. It's your site and I personally won't do business with someone that I don't trust or like which I guess is the case here. But, on the other hand, I guess that's their view also. Why should someone bother with a site when they get pounded all the time. And from what that article you posted says, for no reason. Maybe I missed something in the article that was negative from the player's perspective.
What?! They dont post here? LOL
I would be more shocked if they did post here after the insults thrown at them last time and the Rx attack dog JJ sic'ed on them.
Was it just my imagination? I could of sworn they were handled rudely, had an untrue article about them on the front page and had a thread that Rick and Ron were responding in locked?
And they are not posting info here??? I'm shocked
I would be more shocked if they did post here after the insults thrown at them last time and the Rx attack dog JJ sic'ed on them.
Was it just my imagination? I could of sworn they were handled rudely, had an untrue article about them on the front page and had a thread that Rick and Ron were responding in locked?
And they are not posting info here??? I'm shocked
I don't blame them one bit for not posting the offer here.
Why ??:
1. Everyone saw how they got treated here a week or two ago.
2. For that reason, plus the fact that MW is their "home base" (being advertisers there), why not give MW the good publicity of being the official board where the bailout offer was announced.
3. I'm sure they knew that the info would trickle over to the Rx, and that any Rx poster needing the bailout offer would eventually see it here (cecil, you knew 4 or 5 days ago about Strut88's bailout offer from AllWorld (via the Bet2Gamble forum)).
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Instead of worrying about why AllWorld posted at MW and not here, maybe the Rx should be more concerned with the fact that MW is +2 (AllWorld and Olympic) compared to the Rx in terms of site advertisers offering PTS bailouts.
This is especially important to consider since the vast majority of PTS "victims" were Rx posters who signed up based on postings on the Rx forum.
Why ??:
1. Everyone saw how they got treated here a week or two ago.
2. For that reason, plus the fact that MW is their "home base" (being advertisers there), why not give MW the good publicity of being the official board where the bailout offer was announced.
3. I'm sure they knew that the info would trickle over to the Rx, and that any Rx poster needing the bailout offer would eventually see it here (cecil, you knew 4 or 5 days ago about Strut88's bailout offer from AllWorld (via the Bet2Gamble forum)).
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Instead of worrying about why AllWorld posted at MW and not here, maybe the Rx should be more concerned with the fact that MW is +2 (AllWorld and Olympic) compared to the Rx in terms of site advertisers offering PTS bailouts.
This is especially important to consider since the vast majority of PTS "victims" were Rx posters who signed up based on postings on the Rx forum.
It would not have taken much for Rick to post here that they were helping players that were stiffed. They could have made the post and never replied to anything else except questions about the offer. They really wouldnt even need to do that as they could just have asked players to call them.
In our site disputes, we should always keep the best interest of the players in mind.
Again, I wish them the best. I guess i know now why they didnt post here. For fear of negative comments.
Sorry they feel that way. Hope it all blows over soon.
In our site disputes, we should always keep the best interest of the players in mind.
Again, I wish them the best. I guess i know now why they didnt post here. For fear of negative comments.
Sorry they feel that way. Hope it all blows over soon.
