PALIN: 'Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime'

[barman]

Again, for the final time,,,,

Is that a promise? Or just a tease?

Those of us Christians who don't adhere to your hardcore Bible-only theology are going to keep on rocking, just as we have for centuries.

And you can keep doing the same with respect to your own personal interpretations of how to get through life as a Christian.

Seems that burning more than just a couple minutes on a Sports Handicapping Forum attempting to claim the entire Christian movement as your own is a dubious use of your time.

So, I hope you were honest in last post when stating that it would be the last time you make your self-absorbed claims about your personal interpretatations of Christianity.

Come back and see us when you have a useful bit of sports handicapping information. That's why most of us are here.

 

[hippieki11er]

sports handicapping information. That's why most of us are here.

I love how you desperately hide behind that lame excuse when you realize you have absolutely no leg to stand on. How incredibly weak of you. Aren't you a grown man capable of discussion in this part of the forum which is dedicated to such topics? Toughen up.

Your statement is all the more laughable seeing that the majority of your nearly 18,000 posts have come in this very section of the forum. Whoopsie. Seems like you're the only one who's completely obsessed with evangelizing your radical political and religious agenda on a daily basis as if you own the place. In fact, I rarely step foot into this area of the forum. But perhaps I should start making more of a point to, as you clearly need to be kept in check.

Come back and see us

As if you speak for the forum simply because you spend the better part of your life here? Your level of self-absorption and conceit is laughable. If you can't handle discussion where your points may potentially be questioned, then stop making preposterous claims. Otherwise, prepare to be challenged since this is a forum afterall. With nearly 18,000 posts, you of all people should understand what that entails.

 

[festeringZit]

I love how you desperately hide behind that lame excuse when you realize you have absolutely no leg to stand on. How incredibly weak of you. Aren't you a grown man capable of discussion in this part of the forum which is dedicated to such topics? Toughen up.

Your statement is all the more laughable seeing that the majority of your nearly 18,000 posts have come in this very section of the forum. Whoopsie. Seems like you're the only one who's completely obsessed with evangelizing your radical political and religious agenda on a daily basis as if you own the place. In fact, I rarely step foot into this area of the forum. But perhaps I should start making more of a point to, as you clearly need to be kept in check.



As if you speak for the forum simply because you spend the better part of your life here? Your level of self-absorption and conceit is laughable. If you can't handle discussion where your points may potentially be questioned, then stop making preposterous claims. Otherwise, prepare to be challenged since this is a forum afterall. With nearly 18,000 posts, you of all people should understand what that entails.

Exactly, Barman spews his rhetoric and philosophy, slamming others
in the process - and then hides behind his little quips. His
favorite thing to do when backed into a corner is to make some glib
quip about people wasting their time in here - but as you say, he's
the one with 18,000 posts, a good portion of them right here.

 

[hippieki11er]

Barman also encourages people with gambling problems, who come to the forum asking for help (especially since they have wives and children to care for), to continue gambling since gambling should be considered an "investment business that is a time honored avenue to financial and personal success".

Is barman actually a troll or something? No one can be this sick:

http://therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=620643

 

[Preussen]

Hippiekiller - although I know Barman is well able to speak for himself I'd just like to point out that he has never claimed that his personal beliefs coincide with the majority of Christians, all he says is that the majority of Christians do do not believe the Bible should be taken literally, and as far as I know this is correct.

And in the thread you mention in your last post Barman advised the OP not to give up sportsbetting just because of one bad beat if he is successful in the long run. Where is you problem with that?

 

[hippieki11er]

Hippiekiller - although I know Barman is well able to speak for himself I'd just like to point out that he has never claimed that his personal beliefs coincide with the majority of Christians, all he says is that the majority of Christians do do not believe the Bible should be taken literally, and as far as I know this is correct.

Nowhere have I said that the majority of Christians believe that the Bible "should be taken literally". Please provide a quote where I've said that. In fact, I said from the beginning that the Bible is written in parables, so of course finding the spiritual meaning in God's word is the challenge. Once again, so you understand perfectly, my point is that Christians believe in the authority of the Bible, the divinity of Christ, and in the concept of the Trinity, among many other important things. Perhaps those are new concepts to you because, as you've said, you're an atheist. Fine, that's your choice. But those are the most basic tenants of Christianity that no one in their right mind would try and argue.

And in the thread you mention in your last post Barman advised the OP not to give up sportsbetting just because of one bad beat if he is successful in the long run. Where is you problem with that?

First off, it wasn't just "one bad beat", did you even read the thread? The OP has been at this fruitless venture for TEN YEARS and will always experience "bad beats" as long as he's stuck in it. So my problem is that, much like he tries to do with Christianity, barman suddenly tries to redefine sports gambling as this fluffy, nonsensical idea of an "investment" that will lead to "financial and personal success". I mean, can we get real for a second? Who does this guy think he's kidding?

Whatsmore, the OP came to the forum with not only a potential gambling problem, but with a wife and child who he fears will ultimately pay the price for all the time he's spending away from them while he spins his wheels G-A-M-B-L-I-N-G. Thank God the OP has a conscience.

You've also conveniently ignored the advice from the long-time gamblers (i.e. long-time losers) in the thread who told the OP that his instincts are in fact correct, and that NO, it's not worth it in the end. So for barman to come along and say that gambling is not only a positive thing but the key to one's success is just totally irresponsible, especially when the OP's at a criticial point where he might not only have a problem, but has other people in his life now to consider like his CHILD.

 

[Preussen]

Nowhere have I said that the majority of Christians believe that the Bible "should be taken literally". Please provide a quote where I've said that.

You apparently missed the point. What I was responding to is your assertion that Barman somehow claimed the majority of Christians adhered to his beliefs (= those of the Unity Church) when all he actually said was that the majority of Christians agree with him (and his church) that the Bible should not be taken literally. That's it.

First off, it wasn't just "one bad beat", did you even read the thread? The OP has been at this fruitless venture for TEN YEARS and will always experience "bad beats" as long as he's stuck in it. So my problem is that, much like he tries to do with Christianity, barman suddenly tries to redefine sports gambling as this fluffy, nonsensical idea of an "investment" that will lead to "financial and personal success". I mean, can we get real for a second? Who does this guy think he's kidding?

Whatsmore, the OP came to the forum with not only a potential gambling problem, but with a wife and child who he fears will ultimately pay the price for all the time he's spending away from them while he spins his wheels G-A-M-B-L-I-N-G. Thank God the OP has a conscience.

You've also conveniently ignored the advice from the long-time gamblers (i.e. long-time losers) in the thread who told the OP that his instincts are in fact correct, and that NO, it's not worth it in the end. So for barman to come along and say that gambling is not only a positive thing but the key to one's success is just totally irresponsible, especially when the OP's at a criticial point where he might not only have a problem, but has other people in his life now to consider like his CHILD.

Well, this might lead to another off-topic discussion but it's so obvious that you have N-O I-D-E-A what you are talking about that I have to reply.

Gambling is risking money on events with a negative expected value, like casino games. Sportsbetting can be gambling if you do it without knowing how to find value, and as that is exactly what most bettors do I fully agree that for most bettors sportsbetting is not a good thing and they should stop as quickly as possible.
But the OP in that thread seems to work a lot on his picks and apparently has become successful at finding value for years now. At that point, sportsbetting stops being gambling and does become investment. In this form, it is just like trading stocks, you risk money knowing things can go up and down but also knowing that if you did your homework correctly then you will make a nice profit in the long run.

Of course, handicapping sports successfully might be even more difficult than trading stocks and there are not that many cappers who can show long-term profits, but apparently the OP belongs to those. If that is so then why should he be advised to stop something that, despite all its ups and downs, generates money for him? Although I do agree that if the profit is not high enough in relation to the time (and heart) invested then it might not be worth it.

Oh, and do you really believe that when Barman posts $6 as betting amount this is really the size of his actual bet?

Hippiekiller, when you get yourself that worked up about a subject you may want to trouble yourself to learn a little about it beforehand.

 

[festeringZit]

You apparently missed the point. What I was responding to is your assertion that Barman somehow claimed the majority of Christians adhered to his beliefs (= those of the Unity Church) when all he actually said was that the majority of Christians agree with him (and his church) that the Bible should not be taken literally. That's it.



Well, this might lead to another off-topic discussion but it's so obvious that you have N-O I-D-E-A what you are talking about that I have to reply.

Gambling is risking money on events with a negative expected value, like casino games. Sportsbetting can be gambling if you do it without knowing how to find value, and as that is exactly what most bettors do I fully agree that for most bettors sportsbetting is not a good thing and they should stop as quickly as possible.
But the OP in that thread seems to work a lot on his picks and apparently has become successful at finding value for years now. At that point, sportsbetting stops being gambling and does become investment. In this form, it is just like trading stocks, you risk money knowing things can go up and down but also knowing that if you did your homework correctly then you will make a nice profit in the long run.

Of course, handicapping sports successfully might be even more difficult than trading stocks and there are not that many cappers who can show long-term profits, but apparently the OP belongs to those. If that is so then why should he be advised to stop something that, despite all its ups and downs, generates money for him? Although I do agree that if the profit is not high enough in relation to the time (and heart) invested then it might not be worth it.

Oh, and do you really believe that when Barman posts $6 as betting amount this is really the size of his actual bet?

Hippiekiller, when you get yourself that worked up about a subject you may want to trouble yourself to learn a little about it beforehand.

Preussen,

Nice try there, trying to redefine sports-betting to not be gambling.
Even if you do "find value" or have e.v., it is still gambling.

You also lose credibility when you make blanket absolute statements,
like "you have NO IDEA what you are talking about" when Hippie
is actually very intelligent, and very knowledgeable about the subject matter.

Troll on.

 

[Preussen]

Preussen,

Nice try there, trying to redefine sports-betting to not be gambling.
Even if you do "find value" or have e.v., it is still gambling.

You also lose credibility when you make blanket absolute statements,
like "you have NO IDEA what you are talking about" when Hippie
is actually very intelligent, and very knowledgeable about the subject matter.

Well, I guess it depends on the definition of gambling. If you say gambling is to risk money on an event whose outcome is uncertain and cannot be influence by you, then yes, sportsbetting is gambling.
But for most people gambling is risking money on an event whose outcome is dependant entirely on luck. Hippiekiller evidently believes that sportsbetting necessarily falls into that category and sportsbettors therefore as a rule lose in the long run, showing that he has no idea of the subject (I did stress the "no idea" the same he stressed "gambling").

It's a fact that there is a significant number of people who consistently win money on sportsbetting, just like there is a significant numbe rof people who consistently win at poker, showing that it is possible to beat both. So why should those people be advised to stop "gambling"?

 

[barman]

HK does some fuzzy math:the majority of your nearly 18,000 posts have come in this very section of the forum.

SH: Not sure how to quantify that, but I'm confident that in fact the minority of my posts have come here.

The majority are a spread between NHL, NBA, MLB, Offshore, CRChat and RubberRoom (in descending order)

hth better your understanding

 

[barman]

HK now ranting and raving: Barman also encourages people with gambling problems, who come to the forum asking for help (especially since they have wives and children to care for), to continue gambling since gambling should be considered an "investment business that is a time honored avenue to financial and personal success".

Is barman actually a troll or something? No one can be this sick:

http://therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=620643


SH: In fact, I cited "investment" as a time honored avenue to financial and personal success" and sports investing is but one variation of that method.

For those unable to responsibly handle an investment business of any kind, they are likely best served by an hourly wage job.

 

[barman]

Hippiekiller - although I know Barman is well able to speak for himself I'd just like to point out that he has never claimed that his personal beliefs coincide with the majority of Christians, all he says is that the majority of Christians do do not believe the Bible should be taken literally, and as far as I know this is correct.

And in the thread you mention in your last post Barman advised the OP not to give up sportsbetting just because of one bad beat if he is successful in the long run. Where is you problem with that?

All three of the above bolded phrases accurately cite my own personal posts.

HKILLER has somehow become enraged that there are Christians living happy lives who do not share his literal interpretations of the Bible and now he's flailing all over the RxForum looking for ways to flame lil ol' me.

Give it a rest, kid.

I'll repeat (and maybe not for the last time...heh) that you can live your own variation of a Christian life without concern that other Christians may live theirs differently.

It's a big happy tent and God has promised She will love us all.

Win Win

 

[barman]

Gambling is risking money on events with a negative expected value, like casino games. Sportsbetting can be gambling if you do it without knowing how to find value, and as that is exactly what most bettors do I fully agree that for most bettors sportsbetting is not a good thing and they should stop as quickly as possible.
But the OP in that thread seems to work a lot on his picks and apparently has become successful at finding value for years now. At that point, sportsbetting stops being gambling and does become investment. In this form, it is just like trading stocks, you risk money knowing things can go up and down but also knowing that if you did your homework correctly then you will make a nice profit in the long run.

Of course, handicapping sports successfully might be even more difficult than trading stocks and there are not that many cappers who can show long-term profits, but apparently the OP belongs to those. If that is so then why should he be advised to stop something that, despite all its ups and downs, generates money for him? Although I do agree that if the profit is not high enough in relation to the time (and heart) invested then it might not be worth it.

The above is a very accurate summation of my own personal POV - as expressed in other posts made by me personally.

And no, I do not have a German twin personality.

d1g1t

 

[barman]

Oh, and do you really believe that when Barman posts $6 as betting amount this is really the size of his actual bet?

All smileys aside...between us girls here within the Friendly Fraternity, I'll note that in fact those posted numbers are very close to my Actual Wager.

I've made profitable money in NBA, NHL and CFB over past five years while not making a profit in MLB, NFL and CBB. Therefore I am yet to increase my RealWorld investment much over $10-15 per wager until such time as I can become more successful in those latter three sports.

Much like stock investors who profit in a few industries, but lose money in others. My primary reason for fraternizing in an online sports handicapping forum is to better learn how to make a profit in all sports from those who are good at it.


And in the spare minutes I get between real work and my reallife cyber employment with DrugSense, I get the bonus fun of honking the cyber nose of fundyevangelicalXtians.

Complete Win Win Win

 

[barman]

I'll take a mostly unfounded guess that those RxForum members who create threads along the lines of, "Oh Man, I Really Should Quit Betting on Sports!" are those who have average household incomes (say, $40-60K per year) but who put literally $100-200+ at risk on a list of sports bets several times a week.

Thus they expose themselves to the very real world possibility of losing a month or more real life dollars in a single evening.

That, in my Incredibly Humble Opinion, is insanity.

The most real world money I've ever made in a single day of sports wagering is under $200 and that was with a couple of parlay hits.

The most real world money I've ever lost in a single day is a bit more than $100 and that only came on the heels of several winning days at smaller numbers.

If one does not understand the probabilities and percentages needed to maintain a responsible real world sports investment bank, then they should probably stick to making cyber posts about their Hot Religious or Political Opinions and leave the financial investment work to the Big Boys and Girls.d1g1t

 

[barman]

I'll venture that Gov Sarah Palin - even with her wacky belief that somehow Jesus went away and is then Coming Back to Earth in her lifetime" would never put a week's worth of income on the line backing some sports betting play.




AND NOW WE HAVE THIS THREAD spun fully back on Topic.

:aktion033

 

[hippieki11er]

7 posts in a row and barman is now officially talking to himself.

leave the financial investment work to the Big Boys and Girls.

I would laugh, but I know you're serious, which is the scary part. Let's take a look at your delusion...

Sunday, Oct 5

RANGER/BOLT Over 5.5 (+105) $6

=================
SEPTEMBER summary

WEEK ONE 5-3 (+19.55)
WEEK TWO 4-2 (+15.10)
WEEK THREE 3-3 (+2.20)
WEEK FOUR 4-9 (-33.60)

16-17 (+3.25)

Beginning balance = 300.00

New Bank Balance = 303.25
====================

Your sports gambling, errr excuse me, "investment" threads don't have a SINGLE other poster in them. Why? Because everyone realizes you are absolutely and utterly delusional. You made yourself a cool $3.25 in the entire month of September. You are wasting your life for 11 cents a day.

Whatsmore, your $6 per game "investment" speaks volumes about the quality of your home life when your time is only worth a pathetic $2 per hour to be away from your family. I can't think of anything more incredibly sad than that.

18,000 posts and $6 per game. Wow. It's almost unbelievable. Let me guess, you're "self-employed", i.e. UNemployed, correct? No wonder you would encourage a person with a growing family and a gambling problem to continue doing so. Misery loves company afterall, right? You obviously don't care for the well-being of yourself, much less others. Please seek help immediately.

 

[barman]

Glad to see you paying attention to my gambling posts.

I made a 1.1% return on my investment in four weeks. As you likely read while enjoying my NFL thread, the "bank" is mythical in actual size.

But the percentage gained is Real.

In the NFL of all sports - where I usually blow.

Thanks for your encouragement and best of luck in your life as a hardcore Christian along with Gov Sarah "waiting for Jesus to return" ....

.....when He's right here and now if you need him.

 

[barman]

And feel welcome to point us to one of your Hot Sports Handicapping threads as soon as you ever create one. If you're not very good at it, I can understand why you would perceive it as a bad route for investing your real world $$.

Seriously...if you can point me to any other users of the RxForum who honestly and accurately post profitable threads in ANY sport, I'd appreciate the direction.

I know of a few, but there could be others I'm overlooking.

And I appreciate all the help I can get in sports investment input.

Spiritual advice I can score elsewhere....heh