"so your saying TCU wins out they are in for sure but you won't say the same about ASU who has a much tougher schedule here on out and doesn't have the asterik of losing to another team (baylor) that is breathing right down their neck??? "
Gonna crawfish here, lol. It's been my contention all along, since August, that I believe, looking at the make-up of the committee, that the Pac-12 had an edge. So I may have jumped the gun a little, but ASU could be in the top four before the Pac-12 title game if some teams lose. As for the Big12 not having a title game to pad their pockets, bear in mind, each team plays everyone in the conference, unlike the larger conferences.
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Gonna crawfish here, lol. It's been my contention all along, since August, that I believe, looking at the make-up of the committee, that the Pac-12 had an edge. So I may have jumped the gun a little, but ASU could be in the top four before the Pac-12 title game if some teams lose. As for the Big12 not having a title game to pad their pockets, bear in mind, each team plays everyone in the conference, unlike the larger conferences.
~T~
I put Mark Richt is a special catagory of Head Coaches. These are Head coaches that always blow a game, no matter how good/bad their teams are. Georgia certainly does this year after year. Keeping company with Richt is Art Briles (who refuses to play a copetitive non-con schedule), Dabo Swinney, Kirk Ferentz, Bo Pelini, Bob Stoops (since 2005), and Steve Spurrier ( at South Carolina). Every year these Head Coaches come up with ways to lose when it counts.
This is true, but I was looking for Head Coaches with some tenure. Richt has been at Georgia for 14 years. Ferentz 16 at Iowa. Dabo 7 at Clemson. Pelini 7 at Nebraska. Stoops 16 at OU (10 since taking that terrible beating at the hands of USC in the BCS Championship game). Spurrier 10 at South Carolina. Now there is no argument that all of these HC's have been very successful, but none of them seem to be capable of getting their teams over the top. After all of the chances they have had, it is time for a change for all of these teams.
Well, I stated yesterday I think, and I'm sticking to my story.....Stoops is now on a short leash. Granted, he had the talent this year, a couple of really good players decided to play jackass and get suspended. That being said, the buck stops with the coach to keep his players in line.
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I think Oregon would be a significant favor to ensure that there is wagering on both sides. Neutral site I'd see Oregon -9.5 with a total of 75
New stadium that neither is overly familiar with, no definitive home field advantage.
With respect to the Duel: I think in Tucson if both teams take care of business prior to the meeting it would be Zona -2.5. The two Zona losses are to USC (where there FG kicker missed 3 pretty easy FGs) and versus UCLA by 10 in a game that they were in the entire way. And despite being an ASU alum, I know from my days playing there that Tucson is a tough place to play. We missed out on several trips to the Rose Bowl because Tucson Tech tripped us up. It's one I would never overlook. I also think this is a team that RichRod has playing very, very well. I would probably go Under if it's 80+ just because of jitters' etc
New stadium that neither is overly familiar with, no definitive home field advantage.
With respect to the Duel: I think in Tucson if both teams take care of business prior to the meeting it would be Zona -2.5. The two Zona losses are to USC (where there FG kicker missed 3 pretty easy FGs) and versus UCLA by 10 in a game that they were in the entire way. And despite being an ASU alum, I know from my days playing there that Tucson is a tough place to play. We missed out on several trips to the Rose Bowl because Tucson Tech tripped us up. It's one I would never overlook. I also think this is a team that RichRod has playing very, very well. I would probably go Under if it's 80+ just because of jitters' etc
Not this weekend. Oregon St has $hit the bed. When they lost at home last week to Wazzu and let at Freshman QB making his first road start shred their defense, they are done. The only holdout for them is looking ahead to the Civil War since they have absolutely nothing left to look forward to. Even my SunDevils who are still a mile high will get by this weekend. Beavs don't have any weapons offensive since they abandoned the run game and they cannot protect Mannion.
They rushed for 173 against Michigan St, Stanford was #1 in the nation in total defense and had only given up 4 rushing touchdowns in 8 games prior to Oregon game, Oregon rushed for 267 and 4 rushing touchdowns.
Arizona St rushed for 114 against Stanford versus Oregon's 267
Arizona St rushed for 138 against UCLA versus Oregon's 328, Arizona St was getting killed so hard to gauge.
Arizona St rushed for 151 against Washington versus Oregon's 218
Arizona St rushed for 239 against Utah versus Oregon's 120
Far from skewed results and far from average results.
I believe NukeTheBookies you have the scenario verrrrry close except you leaving out Oregon may mess up this equation. You being from Scottsdalemay be the reason for the ASU HOMERISM!!!...but ASU could get there but they'd be a prohibitive dog in the PAC 12 championship game
Yours in Winners
BernieV
P.S. Ever go to Eli's in Scottsdale???
I was commenting on the other poster's bet of ASU to win the national championship at 25-1. And in that scenario they'd have to win out and beat Oregon. As I also mentioned, I think there is less than a 5% chance of that happening. I actually have Oregon as the favorite to win it all.
i have oregon winning it all also at 9-1
i started the topic with the focus on the value of ASU to win it all and as stated in previous post i feel its wiser to go with a running parlay with them as they would most likely be at least a 2-1 underdog on the moneyline at the very least against Oregon.
DC- keep in mind that Oregon's offensive line is and was very banged up. Especially against arizona. Mariota was swarmed all game. When they have their O-line clicking i dont think there is a team that can beat them. I think its very tough to grade their defense as they've looked a bit up and down all year but optimistically i think you can say they are a good bend but don't break D.
I haven't focused too much on ASU this year especially in comparison to Oregon but i like their QB
i started the topic with the focus on the value of ASU to win it all and as stated in previous post i feel its wiser to go with a running parlay with them as they would most likely be at least a 2-1 underdog on the moneyline at the very least against Oregon.
DC- keep in mind that Oregon's offensive line is and was very banged up. Especially against arizona. Mariota was swarmed all game. When they have their O-line clicking i dont think there is a team that can beat them. I think its very tough to grade their defense as they've looked a bit up and down all year but optimistically i think you can say they are a good bend but don't break D.
I haven't focused too much on ASU this year especially in comparison to Oregon but i like their QB
