Opinions on Ali-Martin

[tgoodm1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gil:
Did you ever think we would anticipate two women fighting? I'm really looking forward to this one... but I'm taking Ali all the way. This will be Martin's last fight and she is doing this for a payday.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gil, I couldn't agree with you more. And for everyone else, do not be fooled by what Christy Martin is trying to sell the public. The only thing she is trying to sell is the fight so that she can make more money, as I am certain that there is pay-per-view upside in this matchup for her. This is unprecedented for womens boxing that they have a pay-per-view at $29.95 per household.

Note: The only way Martin wins, is if Ali throws the fight to set up a rematch, which means more pay-per-view dollars for both fighters. The only reason I throw this in is because this will be the biggest payday ever for both fighters and there really is no other female fighter that would create similar interest to merit a pay-per-view @ $29.95.

[This message was edited by Boxing Freak on August 16, 2003 at 07:57 PM.]

 

[TruthEmminates]

Should be an entertaining fight.

 

[Railbird]

Leijla is a living a lie, she is a fraud, more overrated than Tyson. only way Christy loses if it is fixed which don king does often.

 

[almly]

Christy Martin is overhyped? Thats a pretty dumb thing to say. Martin has fought the best competition she can fight and has beat them. Ali on the other hand hasnt beat anybody and is just riding her dad's name. I'm sorry but Frazier was a joke. I think that Martin is the better fighter here, no question. However, I do question her defense. Like with all offensive oriented fighters in boxing when you fight a heavy offensive game you are going to leave yourself open to get hit. That is the only problem that I see with Martin.

My only problem with this fight is the size difference. However, I think I am going to make a value play on Martin because I think she is the better fighter.

 

[Railbird]

39 yr old JJAckie Frazier got screwed on the scorecards, her record was 0-0 going in.

 

[almly]

I might also do a hedge and take the over 9.5 rounds.

 

[tgoodm1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by almly:
I might also do a hedge and take the over 9.5 rounds.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good hedge!

 

[almly]

I have used several books over the last few years but never 5 dimes. They have the best line out there for somebody wanting to bet Christy Martin this weekend so I was thinking about opening an account with them. Anybody ever heard of any payout problems with these guys?

 

[tgoodm1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by almly:
I have used several books over the last few years but never 5 dimes. They have the best line out there for somebody wanting to bet Christy Martin this weekend so I was thinking about opening an account with them. Anybody ever heard of any payout problems with these guys?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boxing is all I do with them, and I have never had a problem with a payout. And they pay out large.

And although they may wait until Oly comes out with their boxing lines first, 5 Dimes usually has better odds and props.

 

[almly]

Cool, thats what I wanna know.

 

[sphincter]

well....i felt the need to vent....this is a disgrace.....a legit 162 poumd woman who fights at 168 normally, at almost 6`0 tall fighting what is a legit 140-144 pound woman at 5`4" tall????

a 24 year old vs a 36 year old......one is buff at 162....the other`s gonna come in at a bloated 150(at least 6 pounds heavier than her worst previous out of shape weight at 144)......

one is a fairly decent athlete,if not a big puncher,in superb shape.....the other looks like a matron at the local senior center....one has stayed active fighting frequently....the other has about 1 fight in the last 2 years...

if "big punching" christy martin couldn`t get poser mia st john out of there,how`s she gonna get this huge woman out?.....very much on the downside of her career...

i know it`s a money grab....but c`mon.....who`s kidding who?

what does this prove for ali?.....for martin?....

i think if women`s boxing is searching for legitimacy,this is the wrong path.....

a wild prediction....martin`s nose bleeds like she was attacked by o.j. after a few stiff ali jabs....fight stopped in the middle rounds...lol...

all kidding aside...i guess it could go longer...ali doesn`t have serious snap on her shots.....if i trained martin,i`d have her throw nothing but body shots....for as long as she could hold her arms up......

laying hard earned money on this.......so many variables favor ali.....but,i don`t lay 4-1.....at least i can`t remember laying quite that much on anything......

what if i lay 4-1 and it`s ali`s time of the month???????

i know,i`m disgusting...and i`m joking,but this is pretty absurd.....

in a men`s bout,i`d take joe calzaghe over kostya tszyu in a heartbeat.......just way to big....why not with the women?......

they don`t punch like men....they can pummel one another for 10 2 minute rounds and survive....if martin doesn`t get bloodied,which i think she will,i could possibly see her surviving for 10 rds.....i don`t expect ali to go after martin unless it`s really easy pickin`s .....if martin gets discouraged,she could coast and just survive the distance....is it possible that if things really go south,martin will quit?

i`m not touchin` it,no matter how easy it looks...not me....but if ali were 3-1?.....maybe....if it were men with this size,age,conditioning and activity disparity,the rubberband would come off the roll...


martin coming in at 150???????.....i got 2 words for martin.....


JENNY CRAIG!!!!!!!!



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[tgoodm1]

sphincter, ya know...In a way, I see this fight playing out just as you do. There is just no way that she is going to pull this off. The only reason she is not an 8-1 or 10-1 underdog is because she has been talking a good game since agreeing to fight Laila. I see total domination by Laila Ali.

Basically what we have here is another Judah vs Chop Chop, Tyson vs Etienne, Jones Jr vs Ruiz, etc, where every defeated opponent talked so pompously before the bout only to be embarrassed by the victor. And in this fight I see Martin being embarrassed by Laila Ali. Even if she manages to catch Ali once or twice, Ali will get the best of her on a more consistent basis and that is what will count as far as the judges are concerned.

 

[almly]

I'm sorry but I just think you guys are giving Ali way too much credit. I dont think that she is that good of a fighter. Spinch, do you think Ali is a better fighter than Martin? I don't.
My respect for your handicapping ability might persuade me off Martin. I hope I dont regret it.

 

[Railbird]

sphinct nice exaggeration,

Christy is 35, ali is 25, 39 yearold Jackie Frazier with zero experince beat Ali, but the promoters scammed jackie. Ali has beat nobody, Christy has fought the best. Christy played College basketball and is a much better athlete.


Leijla is a fraud and whore just like Kobe Bryant. America doesnt need corporate scum, we need a real champ like Christy.

 

[sphincter]

almly and rail....let me put my comments into context.......

rail....honestly,given an even playing field.....roughly at the same stages in their career(their prime),and if they were truly in the same weight division,i think i`m on martin pretty clearly....and i agree that frazier`s daughter could not fight a lick.....i honestly thought ali did enough,though she should have been able to dominate such a skill-less opponent...
but,it isn`t an even playing field..that`s why ali took the fight.....you have to take all the variables into account....and they pretty much all favor ali...

almly....i wouldn`t even try and talk you out of taking those substantial odds...anything can happen....and i have to think martin is motivated.....i could never lay those odds on ali....i don`t like laying 4 or 5 to get one back.......it`s women`s boxing....i`d be lying if i said you had no chance.....i`d also be lying if i said i honestly thought martin wins here...

as always,almly,i hope you get it in....you don`t have to break the bank to get good return on investment if you hit....that makes sense to me...

i`m trying to get a firm grip on the over-under....i have a lean....i want to take a longer look...

 

[tgoodm1]

DOES ALI-MARTIN CHANGE ANYTHING?
BY CLAUDIO REILSONO of Realboxing.com



There are some that will say and write that Saturday's Laila Ali - Christy Martin world super middleweight title fight will be a big night for women's boxing. It will certainly be a big night for the two fighters, but for the women's boxing scene...not really.

The biggest names in the female game are Laila Ali, Christy Martin, Mia St. John, Lucia Rijker and I guess you can put Jacqui Frazier-Lyde in there too. All five are tough fighters and I give them credit for the work they do in the ring and the attention they drum up out of the ring for their sport.

We all have watched women's boxing evolve over the years and there are some good fighters out there to be sure. But these five women are the biggest stars before this fight and they will remain the biggest stars after the fight. I am glad it is getting the attention that it has for both fighters and I hope they get paid very well for it.

As for the fight itself, Ali is a very good athlete and a nice boxer, but if pressured she can be hit and flustered as Frazier-Lyde proved when they met last year. Martin is a tough girl and will go after Ali early and often, hitting her more often and harder than she is accustomed to. But I will go with Ali in a late stoppage in what should be an entertaining fight.

What fight has been in all the papers and getting major exposure on television lately? Oscar-Mosley?? Evander and James Toney? No - Laila Ali vs. Christy Martin. This is without a doubt the biggest fight in women's boxing history. It will be its biggest stage. But will it give the division respect? Will it give it more of a fan base?

I hear some people say that it will. I think the powers that be in women's boxing hope this match-up will have the "Jets & Joe Namath" affect on their sport. What I mean by that is, by the New York Jets beating the Baltimore Colts in the '69 Super Bowl, people began to respect and like the AFL (American Football League) product after its first viewing. It opened eyes.

I just don't know if this fight will have the same eye-opening affect. Yes, it
will do well with the pay-per-view numbers and there is an interest. But what's next? There are only about five fighters that are known to the novice fan: Ali, Martin, Lucia Rijker, Mia St. John and you can put Jacqui Frazier-Lyde in there too.

Unless the sport can develop more attractions, it will remain on the same level. Let me say, I hope each and every one of the fighters makes a ton of money and has great success. They work hard, and try very hard. They give their all in the ring, and I respect them all. But again…what's next?

For the winner of this fight a match-up with Rijker will get some interest, but that's all I see for now.

As far as this fight, Ali is a good athlete with nice boxing skills. Martin is tough, and is not afraid to come at you. Laila can be troubled by someone who comes right at her, like Frazier-Lyde did and I think that will be Martin's strategy.

Christy will hit Ali harder and more often than anyone she's ever been in the ring with but in the end after an exciting and competitive fight, I look for Ali to stop Martin in the late rounds.

 

[almly]

Martin weighs in at 159! Are you kidding me? Ali weighs in at 162. Martin weighed in with full camoflauge fatigues. I seriously hope she had some weights in there. Spinch, whats your play on the over/under?

 

[Celaya]

In my opinion, The fight will definitely go under. I'm taking Christy Martin to win by TKO.

 

[sphincter]

you can get ali by k.o.,stoppage,yadda,yadda at +215 at pinnacle......i think you can also get her by decision at at least even odds protecting your investment....unless of course martin wins....which i seriously doubt....

 

[JamesTrout]

....can we follow this online?