Most Winholdem Players are losing money, go to the thier forums and see for yourself. Also they are only playing .5/$1, some are trying 3/6, but 90% are losing money right. Also Party/Empire closed a bunch of accounts that were using this and they are working hard to detect more. A bot can't play 15/30 or 10/20, at least none from the 2 places you mentioned, it is possible that a few people have created superbots that they use themselves, but the commercial bots you are talking about are junk.
Also the big sites arent running bots, but I do know of one site running bots, cryptalogic or something like that I think is its name.
The rake is capped, creating great hands and great 2nd best hands makes no sense, that is the dumbest argument I have ever heard, GET A CLUE!
I play professionaly and have a database of over 130,000 hands from the last 4 months and everything looks just like it should.
BaseballGuy-Enron and Partypoker are not in the same situations. I know you are a big hater of online poker from our last discussion which you had nothing to say to any of my responses even when a couple others called you out on it saying you couldnt back up anything you said.
Baseballguy-Why do you never win at online poker? Because you arent a good player, plain and simple, how can so many other people make a living doing it, but a great player like yourself can't win?
Baseballguy-those big companies you are talking about weren't actually raking in huge amounts of money though, the huge amounts of money they supposebly were making were falsified. PartyPoker though on the other hand is raking in lots of dough already. If you notice many huge companies actually lose money, that is why a few have falsified and all that stuff, but it isnt usually companies who are actually making huge amounts of money the right way in the first place.
Also the big sites arent running bots, but I do know of one site running bots, cryptalogic or something like that I think is its name.
The rake is capped, creating great hands and great 2nd best hands makes no sense, that is the dumbest argument I have ever heard, GET A CLUE!
I play professionaly and have a database of over 130,000 hands from the last 4 months and everything looks just like it should.
BaseballGuy-Enron and Partypoker are not in the same situations. I know you are a big hater of online poker from our last discussion which you had nothing to say to any of my responses even when a couple others called you out on it saying you couldnt back up anything you said.
Baseballguy-Why do you never win at online poker? Because you arent a good player, plain and simple, how can so many other people make a living doing it, but a great player like yourself can't win?
Baseballguy-those big companies you are talking about weren't actually raking in huge amounts of money though, the huge amounts of money they supposebly were making were falsified. PartyPoker though on the other hand is raking in lots of dough already. If you notice many huge companies actually lose money, that is why a few have falsified and all that stuff, but it isnt usually companies who are actually making huge amounts of money the right way in the first place.
What I am about to post requires some brainpower, please try and follow.
The site benefits when the maximum number of players are playing. Now please tell me something. Would or would not the site benefit if they let one player clean out the whole table in a no limit game? Of course the site would NOT benefit as that one player took 9 other people out of the game. Those 9 people may not deposit again, thus no generation of rake.
Your argument is both childish and clearly indicates that either A. You are under the age of 20, or B. Have not been educated past high school.
Ok, I have no idea what this even means.. Moving on..
I win playing at brick and mortor rooms. I guess only $hitty players can win there.
I don't win online, because the online deal is not truly random.
Oh... Enron was not making money? Worldcom, one of the biggest telecommunications companies was not making money?
It really amazes me to see people make these online poker sites out to be as trustworthy as your 90 yr old Aunt Edna. Fact is, these sites are being run from 3rd world countries, and are completely unregulated. They are also illegally targeting american citizens with advertising. I can't wait until the feds shut down these online poker sites. You will be running here like a little baby crying about how the sites stole all your money.. Well I am sure you will say that the government stole it.
Atleast with sportsbetting, the majority of matches are regulated and the outcome's fair, something you can't say about online poker.
Actually I have a college degree in business from one of the top 15 schools in the nation, and I am 23 yrs old. Youre little dumb sentence about no limit makes no sense, taht still doesnt matter on my rake argument, you say tehy deal a best hand a super 2nd best hand (like quads over full house, full house over flush) to generate rake, but since the rake is capped at $3 in a 15/30 game, that is not needed, they dont need to create big hands to reach that cap.
You don't win online because either you havent played enough or youre not a winning player, it is as simple as that!!!!!!!!!!
Why do I make tons of money and so do many other people, yet, you the great player you are, cant win? It is because you are not a winning player.
If the sites close down and take my money, big deal, its not like I keep my life savings in there, I cash out all the time, just keeping in there what I need to buy in. Youre the one crying about not being able to beat the easy games of online poker. Since you can't beat the bad players, you cry about the deal, so do you have your database to show me that the deal is not random?
You don't win online because either you havent played enough or youre not a winning player, it is as simple as that!!!!!!!!!!
Why do I make tons of money and so do many other people, yet, you the great player you are, cant win? It is because you are not a winning player.
If the sites close down and take my money, big deal, its not like I keep my life savings in there, I cash out all the time, just keeping in there what I need to buy in. Youre the one crying about not being able to beat the easy games of online poker. Since you can't beat the bad players, you cry about the deal, so do you have your database to show me that the deal is not random?
Shocking that you try to bring up other stuff, but yet you still can show any data to support your argument, just like last time, even though multiple people asked to see you substantiate your arguments. What can't I spell, just because I typed in Youre instead of your? Or do you really think I can't spell they and that? I am not typing a up a frickin business plan. So are you going to respond? YOu know that you are a losing player right?
I still don't know about the Worldcom and Enron, I didnt think these companies were making huge amounts of money, actual net income. Worldcom committed 11 billion in fraud. After accounting records were audited, it was shown they actually lost over 9 billion dollars in 2002. From what I gather after Worldcom bought MCI, Worldcom actually lost money every quarter til they finally got exposed. But maybe I am wrong, hopefully someone with more info can expand on Worldcom, cuz I wouldnt mind knowing a bit more about that and Enron.
Here's the deal.....
It is certainly possible for the sites to cheat. The argument that the rake provides enough revenue isn't entirely valid since greed can cause people to do strange things. With that said, I do not think they cheat. They are many people who make decent money from the sites.
My advice, if you are currently winning, play until you find yourself consistently losing. For the losers out there, they are people who beat online poker regularly. The sites may cheat but either 1) these folks have been "tagged" as winners by the sites, 2) they play in a fashion that is in line with the way the cards come out, or 3) they win because they are good players and find advantageous opportunites.
It is certainly possible for the sites to cheat. The argument that the rake provides enough revenue isn't entirely valid since greed can cause people to do strange things. With that said, I do not think they cheat. They are many people who make decent money from the sites.
My advice, if you are currently winning, play until you find yourself consistently losing. For the losers out there, they are people who beat online poker regularly. The sites may cheat but either 1) these folks have been "tagged" as winners by the sites, 2) they play in a fashion that is in line with the way the cards come out, or 3) they win because they are good players and find advantageous opportunites.
hey swami- do you know anything about Enron and Worldcom? I was under the impression that Enron was merging left and right trying to hide the fact that they were actually losing money? I may be completely wrong and I am willing to admit it if I am, but just wondering if you know anything/
Matt, how can you say yo have your database and all the hands played looks right to you?
I have seen MORE 4 of a kinds in a week on Party Poker then I have my whole life elsewhere...how can that be? (Now granted I haven't been playing Poker for 20 years or anything like that but still, how can that be?)
I have seen MORE 4 of a kinds in a week on Party Poker then I have my whole life elsewhere...how can that be? (Now granted I haven't been playing Poker for 20 years or anything like that but still, how can that be?)
typical party poker hand:
robfunk bets for 80
sherman raises for 160
robfunk calls 160
flop: 2h As 10c
robfunk checks
sherman goes all in for 11,374
robfunk calls for 11,374
turn :2d
river: 2s
sherman wins 23,894 with a four of a kind, 2's
robfunk shows a pair, Ace's
robfunk leaves the tournament in 9th winning 800$
robfunk bets for 80
sherman raises for 160
robfunk calls 160
flop: 2h As 10c
robfunk checks
sherman goes all in for 11,374
robfunk calls for 11,374
turn :2d
river: 2s
sherman wins 23,894 with a four of a kind, 2's
robfunk shows a pair, Ace's
robfunk leaves the tournament in 9th winning 800$
Sherman- I dont know, but you are welcomee to my database, I will gladly send it to you and you can run all your statistical analysis on it. You may just have ran into a short term swing, who knows. All I know is I 8 table 8 hours a day and I dont run into the big hands all that often. Sherman- I just suggest you play a lot more and see what happens, Im sure it will even out. But here is a question, what does dealing 4 of a kind do for Party Poker? the rake does get capped. Setting up big hand vs big hand makes no sense at all. If crazy things were happening in online poker, how would I be able to be making a great living at it? Once agani, you are welcome to my database.
Can someone please answer my questoins about Enron and Worldcom? I looked at som emore stuff on Enron and I saw that they were creating false profits but selling future shares of thier stock to mythical companies that they created.
Can someone please answer my questoins about Enron and Worldcom? I looked at som emore stuff on Enron and I saw that they were creating false profits but selling future shares of thier stock to mythical companies that they created.
Matt:
I tried to email you from the RX but it says you are not accepting emails...I would like a copy of your database as I do play online poker a lot and online blackjack...I am VERY curious to see the information you have gathered...You can email me at brewers7@ptd.net...Thanx...
I tried to email you from the RX but it says you are not accepting emails...I would like a copy of your database as I do play online poker a lot and online blackjack...I am VERY curious to see the information you have gathered...You can email me at brewers7@ptd.net...Thanx...
