OK GUYS, I AM BACK HOME NOW...LETS GET ALL THIS CLEARED UP....
BILL DOZER....YES THERE IS A THREAD ALREADY PUT UP WITH THE LINES FOR TUESDAY...I WILL GET THE LINES UP THE DAY BEFORE...
THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO CHECK BACK TO GET UPDATED LINES.....THE LINES I POST THE NIGHT BEFORE WILL BE THE LINES USED...IF I CANNOT FIND A LINE FOR A GAME, THAT GAME WILL BE A NO PLAY.....I WILL POST THAT IN THE LINES THREAD.....
I MUST SAY I AGREE WITH THE POSTER WHO SAID, IF U ARE HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH BEING ABLE TO POST YOUR PICK, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD NOT HAVE SIGNED UP....I DONT MEAN THAT TO BE SARCASTICE, ITS JUST THE RULES WERE CLEAR, AND LIKE MANY CONTESTS WE RUN HERE, THE ABILITY TO POST YOUR PLAYS IS A MUST TO ENTER....BEING GIVEN A LOSS FOR NOT POSTING, IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC EVICTION FROM THE CONTEST, IT IS JUST A LOSS....
I WILL HAVE THE LINES UP THE NIGHT BEFORE SO THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF TIME TO POST YOUR PICKS....AND U CAN, IF NEEDED, PICK AHEAD OF TIME, YOU OF COURSE WILL NOT KNOW THE EXACT LINE, BUT U CAN SAY "I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN FOR A WEEK, GIVE ME THE CAVS TO COVER ALL 4 GAMES THIS WEEK"....THAT IS FINE.......
ANY OTHER PROBLEMS BEFORE WE GET STARTED?
BILL DOZER....YES THERE IS A THREAD ALREADY PUT UP WITH THE LINES FOR TUESDAY...I WILL GET THE LINES UP THE DAY BEFORE...
THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO CHECK BACK TO GET UPDATED LINES.....THE LINES I POST THE NIGHT BEFORE WILL BE THE LINES USED...IF I CANNOT FIND A LINE FOR A GAME, THAT GAME WILL BE A NO PLAY.....I WILL POST THAT IN THE LINES THREAD.....
I MUST SAY I AGREE WITH THE POSTER WHO SAID, IF U ARE HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH BEING ABLE TO POST YOUR PICK, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD NOT HAVE SIGNED UP....I DONT MEAN THAT TO BE SARCASTICE, ITS JUST THE RULES WERE CLEAR, AND LIKE MANY CONTESTS WE RUN HERE, THE ABILITY TO POST YOUR PLAYS IS A MUST TO ENTER....BEING GIVEN A LOSS FOR NOT POSTING, IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC EVICTION FROM THE CONTEST, IT IS JUST A LOSS....
I WILL HAVE THE LINES UP THE NIGHT BEFORE SO THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF TIME TO POST YOUR PICKS....AND U CAN, IF NEEDED, PICK AHEAD OF TIME, YOU OF COURSE WILL NOT KNOW THE EXACT LINE, BUT U CAN SAY "I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN FOR A WEEK, GIVE ME THE CAVS TO COVER ALL 4 GAMES THIS WEEK"....THAT IS FINE.......
ANY OTHER PROBLEMS BEFORE WE GET STARTED?
Dante........
It is not an issue. It is a suggestion for making the contest better.
To say that I shouldn't have signed up if I have "issues" is a very inappropriate comment.
Do you want a contest based on handicapping skills, or based on who has the most constant access to the internet ?
It is not an issue. It is a suggestion for making the contest better.
To say that I shouldn't have signed up if I have "issues" is a very inappropriate comment.
Do you want a contest based on handicapping skills, or based on who has the most constant access to the internet ?
We still need to get a basketball contest together that involves picking lets say 3 games a day and paying monthly and yearly prizes. Maybe a post up contest is needed.
I would think that some people might want to check and some hot handicappers out. This contest doesnt really show anyone if you know your stuff because for instance, even if I go 16-4, it doesnt mean that I won money during that time since I probably didnt even bet on those games. Likewise, someone could go 5-15 in the contest but be hitting 65% on his main play each night!
Let get another contest started so we can showcase our best basketball handicappers and see how many of us can break that 65% mark. I wouldnt think too many will do it, but maybe 5 or 10 will break 60%
I would think that some people might want to check and some hot handicappers out. This contest doesnt really show anyone if you know your stuff because for instance, even if I go 16-4, it doesnt mean that I won money during that time since I probably didnt even bet on those games. Likewise, someone could go 5-15 in the contest but be hitting 65% on his main play each night!
Let get another contest started so we can showcase our best basketball handicappers and see how many of us can break that 65% mark. I wouldnt think too many will do it, but maybe 5 or 10 will break 60%
UPDATED AFTER TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28TH'S GAMES.....
EASTERN CONFERENCE
ATLANTIC DIVISION
TEAM------------------------------RECORD--------GB
BOSTON (P.MCIRISH)____________0-0________-
N.JERSEY(TOM. NEWSPAPER)_____ 0-0________ -
NEW YORK (PLAYERSONLY69)_____ 0-0________ -
WASHINGTON(EL GORDO) _______ 0-0 _______ -
ORLANDO(DANNYMAY) __________ 0-0___ _____ -
PHILADELPHIA(QUIET MAN)_______ 0-1 _______ -1/2
MIAMI(BLKJK) _________________ 0-1 _______ -1/2
CENTRAL DIVISION
ATLANTA(NETSFAN2K2)_________ 0-0 _____ -
CHICAGO(NEVERSTOP) ________ 0-0 _____ -
CLEVELAND(KISS1) ___________ 0-0 _____ -
DETROIT(CARDFATHER) ________ 0-0 _____ -
INDIANA(BUCSFAN67) _________ 0-0_____ -
MILWAUKEE( THE MD KID)_______ 0-0_____ -
NEW ORLEANS(SMOOTHIE)______ 0-0 _____ -
TORONTO(DANTE) _____________ 0-0 _____ -
WESTERN CONFERENCE
MIDWEST DIVISION
UTAH(PICKLES)________________ 0-0_____ -
DENVER(SILVER DOLLARS)_______ 0-0_____ -
HOUSTON(ZAPSTER)____________ 0-0 _____ -
MEMPHIS(LAKER FAN)___________ 0-0_____ -
MINNESOTA( MR JONES)_________ 0-0_____ -
SAN ANTONIO(SURFRAT)________ 0-1______ -1/2
DALLAS(BILL DOZER)____________ 0-1 _____ -1/2
PACIFIC DIVISION
PHEONIX(RANDYROHM)__________ 1-0______ -
GOLDEN STATE(NIDMAN)________ 0-0______ -1/2
LA CLIPPERS(MG SPOOKY)_______ 0-0______ -1/2
PORTLAND(CRAZY JIVIN IVAN)____ 0-0______ -1/2
SACRAMENTO(SAN)_____________ 0-0______ -1/2
SEATTLE(VINIVIDIVINCI)_________ 0-0______ -1/2
LA LAKERS(PRETENDING)________ 0-1______ -1.0
EASTERN CONFERENCE
ATLANTIC DIVISION
TEAM------------------------------RECORD--------GB
BOSTON (P.MCIRISH)____________0-0________-
N.JERSEY(TOM. NEWSPAPER)_____ 0-0________ -
NEW YORK (PLAYERSONLY69)_____ 0-0________ -
WASHINGTON(EL GORDO) _______ 0-0 _______ -
ORLANDO(DANNYMAY) __________ 0-0___ _____ -
PHILADELPHIA(QUIET MAN)_______ 0-1 _______ -1/2
MIAMI(BLKJK) _________________ 0-1 _______ -1/2
CENTRAL DIVISION
ATLANTA(NETSFAN2K2)_________ 0-0 _____ -
CHICAGO(NEVERSTOP) ________ 0-0 _____ -
CLEVELAND(KISS1) ___________ 0-0 _____ -
DETROIT(CARDFATHER) ________ 0-0 _____ -
INDIANA(BUCSFAN67) _________ 0-0_____ -
MILWAUKEE( THE MD KID)_______ 0-0_____ -
NEW ORLEANS(SMOOTHIE)______ 0-0 _____ -
TORONTO(DANTE) _____________ 0-0 _____ -
WESTERN CONFERENCE
MIDWEST DIVISION
UTAH(PICKLES)________________ 0-0_____ -
DENVER(SILVER DOLLARS)_______ 0-0_____ -
HOUSTON(ZAPSTER)____________ 0-0 _____ -
MEMPHIS(LAKER FAN)___________ 0-0_____ -
MINNESOTA( MR JONES)_________ 0-0_____ -
SAN ANTONIO(SURFRAT)________ 0-1______ -1/2
DALLAS(BILL DOZER)____________ 0-1 _____ -1/2
PACIFIC DIVISION
PHEONIX(RANDYROHM)__________ 1-0______ -
GOLDEN STATE(NIDMAN)________ 0-0______ -1/2
LA CLIPPERS(MG SPOOKY)_______ 0-0______ -1/2
PORTLAND(CRAZY JIVIN IVAN)____ 0-0______ -1/2
SACRAMENTO(SAN)_____________ 0-0______ -1/2
SEATTLE(VINIVIDIVINCI)_________ 0-0______ -1/2
LA LAKERS(PRETENDING)________ 0-1______ -1.0
UPDATED AFTER WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 29TH'S GAMES..
EASTERN CONFERENCE
ATLANTIC DIVISION
TEAM------------------------------RECORD--------GB
WASHINGTON(EL GORDO) _______ 1-0 _______ -
BOSTON (P.MCIRISH)____________1-0________-
MIAMI(BLKJK) _________________ 1-1 _______ -1/2
NEW YORK (PLAYERSONLY69)_____ 0-0-1________ -1/2
ORLANDO(DANNYMAY) __________ 0-0-1___ _____ -1/2
PHILADELPHIA(QUIET MAN)_______ 0-1 _______ -1.0
N.JERSEY(TOM. NEWSPAPER)_____ 0-1________ -1.0
CENTRAL DIVISION
ATLANTA(NETSFAN2K2)_________ 1-0 _____ -
CLEVELAND(KISS1) ___________ 1-0 _____ -
DETROIT(CARDFATHER) ________ 1-0 _____ -
MILWAUKEE( THE MD KID)_______ 1-0_____ -
INDIANA(BUCSFAN67) _________ 0-1_____ -1.0
NEW ORLEANS(SMOOTHIE)______ 0-1 _____ -1.0
TORONTO(DANTE) _____________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
CHICAGO(NEVERSTOP) ________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
WESTERN CONFERENCE
MIDWEST DIVISION
UTAH(PICKLES)________________ 1-0_____ -
MINNESOTA( MR JONES)_________ 1-0_____ -
HOUSTON(ZAPSTER)____________ 0-0 _____ -1/2
MEMPHIS(LAKER FAN)___________ 0-0_____ -1/2
DENVER(SILVER DOLLARS)_______ 0-1_____ -1.0
SAN ANTONIO(SURFRAT)________ 0-2______ -1.5
DALLAS(BILL DOZER)____________ 0-2 _____ -1.5
PACIFIC DIVISION
PHEONIX(RANDYROHM)__________ 1-0______ -
SACRAMENTO(SAN)_____________ 1-0______ -
SEATTLE(VINIVIDIVINCI)_________ 0-0______ -1/2
LA CLIPPERS(MG SPOOKY)_______ 0-0______ -1/2
PORTLAND(CRAZY JIVIN IVAN)____ 0-1______ -1.0
GOLDEN STATE(NIDMAN)________ 0-1______ -1.0
LA LAKERS(PRETENDING)________ 0-1______ -1.0
EASTERN CONFERENCE
ATLANTIC DIVISION
TEAM------------------------------RECORD--------GB
WASHINGTON(EL GORDO) _______ 1-0 _______ -
BOSTON (P.MCIRISH)____________1-0________-
MIAMI(BLKJK) _________________ 1-1 _______ -1/2
NEW YORK (PLAYERSONLY69)_____ 0-0-1________ -1/2
ORLANDO(DANNYMAY) __________ 0-0-1___ _____ -1/2
PHILADELPHIA(QUIET MAN)_______ 0-1 _______ -1.0
N.JERSEY(TOM. NEWSPAPER)_____ 0-1________ -1.0
CENTRAL DIVISION
ATLANTA(NETSFAN2K2)_________ 1-0 _____ -
CLEVELAND(KISS1) ___________ 1-0 _____ -
DETROIT(CARDFATHER) ________ 1-0 _____ -
MILWAUKEE( THE MD KID)_______ 1-0_____ -
INDIANA(BUCSFAN67) _________ 0-1_____ -1.0
NEW ORLEANS(SMOOTHIE)______ 0-1 _____ -1.0
TORONTO(DANTE) _____________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
CHICAGO(NEVERSTOP) ________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
WESTERN CONFERENCE
MIDWEST DIVISION
UTAH(PICKLES)________________ 1-0_____ -
MINNESOTA( MR JONES)_________ 1-0_____ -
HOUSTON(ZAPSTER)____________ 0-0 _____ -1/2
MEMPHIS(LAKER FAN)___________ 0-0_____ -1/2
DENVER(SILVER DOLLARS)_______ 0-1_____ -1.0
SAN ANTONIO(SURFRAT)________ 0-2______ -1.5
DALLAS(BILL DOZER)____________ 0-2 _____ -1.5
PACIFIC DIVISION
PHEONIX(RANDYROHM)__________ 1-0______ -
SACRAMENTO(SAN)_____________ 1-0______ -
SEATTLE(VINIVIDIVINCI)_________ 0-0______ -1/2
LA CLIPPERS(MG SPOOKY)_______ 0-0______ -1/2
PORTLAND(CRAZY JIVIN IVAN)____ 0-1______ -1.0
GOLDEN STATE(NIDMAN)________ 0-1______ -1.0
LA LAKERS(PRETENDING)________ 0-1______ -1.0
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dante:
thanks Bucs fan your doing a great job .....!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
THANKS DANTE, I WORKED ALL NITE, AM VERY TIRED, BUT WANTED TO UPDATE THE STANDINGS BEFORE I HEAD TO BED....WAS SORRY TO SEE THAT 3 PLAYERS FAILED TO MAKE PICKS YESTERDAY..HOPE THEY GET IN SOON, IT WAS SURFRAT, SMOOTHIE, AND SILVER DOLLARS....IF U HAVE TIME, MAYBE U COULD POST A THREAD TO REMIND THEM....
THANK YOU SIR.....GOTTA GET SOME REST, HAVE TO BE BACK IN AT 4 TODAY....WILL BE GLAD WHEN THE WEEKEND GETS HERE...
thanks Bucs fan your doing a great job .....!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
THANKS DANTE, I WORKED ALL NITE, AM VERY TIRED, BUT WANTED TO UPDATE THE STANDINGS BEFORE I HEAD TO BED....WAS SORRY TO SEE THAT 3 PLAYERS FAILED TO MAKE PICKS YESTERDAY..HOPE THEY GET IN SOON, IT WAS SURFRAT, SMOOTHIE, AND SILVER DOLLARS....IF U HAVE TIME, MAYBE U COULD POST A THREAD TO REMIND THEM....
THANK YOU SIR.....GOTTA GET SOME REST, HAVE TO BE BACK IN AT 4 TODAY....WILL BE GLAD WHEN THE WEEKEND GETS HERE...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zapster:
Dante........
It is not an issue. It is a suggestion for making the contest better.
To say that I shouldn't have signed up if I have "issues" is a very inappropriate comment.
Do you want a contest based on handicapping skills, or based on who has the most constant access to the internet ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Zapster sorry Just remembered I posted here I was not implying that you should not have signed up, not at all Sir..Please do not take it that way. You have valid points on hindsite..thanks for posting them
Dante........
It is not an issue. It is a suggestion for making the contest better.
To say that I shouldn't have signed up if I have "issues" is a very inappropriate comment.
Do you want a contest based on handicapping skills, or based on who has the most constant access to the internet ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Zapster sorry Just remembered I posted here I was not implying that you should not have signed up, not at all Sir..Please do not take it that way. You have valid points on hindsite..thanks for posting them
Excellent job Buc's, Thank you. Gives me another reason to roll out of bed each morning.
However, let's all remember that one game into the season, the Eastern Conference race has already been tainted by the assignment of a certain franchise based on ethnicity and further compounded by a bad line made available to that same franchise owner on the very first night of play.
You other Eastern conference guys should maybe just consider this thing to be an allowance where one entry not enjoying current winning form is being given a break.
I don't know what this guy tacks out at but I've heard it's mind boggling and any extra weight you guys are assigned is probably nothing to be concerned about.
The fix may be in, but this guy is still a David Blane stunt away from being "in with a feather" and just remember that eventually "weight will stop a freight train".
However, let's all remember that one game into the season, the Eastern Conference race has already been tainted by the assignment of a certain franchise based on ethnicity and further compounded by a bad line made available to that same franchise owner on the very first night of play.
You other Eastern conference guys should maybe just consider this thing to be an allowance where one entry not enjoying current winning form is being given a break.
I don't know what this guy tacks out at but I've heard it's mind boggling and any extra weight you guys are assigned is probably nothing to be concerned about.
The fix may be in, but this guy is still a David Blane stunt away from being "in with a feather" and just remember that eventually "weight will stop a freight train".
UPDATED STANDINGS THROUGH THURSDAY, OCTOBER 30TH....
EASTERN CONFERENCE
ATLANTIC DIVISION
TEAM------------------------------RECORD--------GB
WASHINGTON(EL GORDO) _______ 1-0 _______ -
BOSTON (P.MCIRISH)____________1-0________-
ORLANDO(DANNYMAY) __________ 1-0-1___ _____ -
MIAMI(BLKJK) _________________ 1-1 _______ -1/2
NEW YORK (PLAYERSONLY69)_____ 0-0-1________ -1/2
PHILADELPHIA(QUIET MAN)_______ 0-1 _______ -1.0
N.JERSEY(TOM. NEWSPAPER)_____ 0-1________ -1.0
CENTRAL DIVISION
ATLANTA(NETSFAN2K2)_________ 1-0 _____ -
DETROIT(CARDFATHER) ________ 1-0 _____ -
MILWAUKEE( THE MD KID)_______ 1-0_____ -
CLEVELAND(KISS1) ___________ 1-1 _____ -1/2
INDIANA(BUCSFAN67) _________ 0-1_____ -1.0
TORONTO(DANTE) _____________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
CHICAGO(NEVERSTOP) ________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
NEW ORLEANS(SMOOTHIE)______ 0-2 _____ -1.5
WESTERN CONFERENCE
MIDWEST DIVISION
UTAH(PICKLES)________________ 1-0_____ -
MINNESOTA( MR JONES)_________ 1-0_____ -
MEMPHIS(LAKER FAN)___________ 0-0_____ -1/2
HOUSTON(ZAPSTER)____________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
DENVER(SILVER DOLLARS)_______ 0-2_____ -1.5
SAN ANTONIO(SURFRAT)________ 0-2______ -1.5
DALLAS(BILL DOZER)____________ 0-2 _____ -1.5
PACIFIC DIVISION
SACRAMENTO(SAN)_____________ 1-0______ -
PHEONIX(RANDYROHM)__________ 1-1______ -1/2
SEATTLE(VINIVIDIVINCI)_________ 0-1______ -1.0
LA CLIPPERS(MG SPOOKY)_______ 0-1______ -1.0
PORTLAND(CRAZY JIVIN IVAN)____ 0-1______ -1.0
GOLDEN STATE(NIDMAN)________ 0-1______ -1.0
LA LAKERS(PRETENDING)________ 0-1______ -1.0
EASTERN CONFERENCE
ATLANTIC DIVISION
TEAM------------------------------RECORD--------GB
WASHINGTON(EL GORDO) _______ 1-0 _______ -
BOSTON (P.MCIRISH)____________1-0________-
ORLANDO(DANNYMAY) __________ 1-0-1___ _____ -
MIAMI(BLKJK) _________________ 1-1 _______ -1/2
NEW YORK (PLAYERSONLY69)_____ 0-0-1________ -1/2
PHILADELPHIA(QUIET MAN)_______ 0-1 _______ -1.0
N.JERSEY(TOM. NEWSPAPER)_____ 0-1________ -1.0
CENTRAL DIVISION
ATLANTA(NETSFAN2K2)_________ 1-0 _____ -
DETROIT(CARDFATHER) ________ 1-0 _____ -
MILWAUKEE( THE MD KID)_______ 1-0_____ -
CLEVELAND(KISS1) ___________ 1-1 _____ -1/2
INDIANA(BUCSFAN67) _________ 0-1_____ -1.0
TORONTO(DANTE) _____________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
CHICAGO(NEVERSTOP) ________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
NEW ORLEANS(SMOOTHIE)______ 0-2 _____ -1.5
WESTERN CONFERENCE
MIDWEST DIVISION
UTAH(PICKLES)________________ 1-0_____ -
MINNESOTA( MR JONES)_________ 1-0_____ -
MEMPHIS(LAKER FAN)___________ 0-0_____ -1/2
HOUSTON(ZAPSTER)____________ 0-1 _____ -1.0
DENVER(SILVER DOLLARS)_______ 0-2_____ -1.5
SAN ANTONIO(SURFRAT)________ 0-2______ -1.5
DALLAS(BILL DOZER)____________ 0-2 _____ -1.5
PACIFIC DIVISION
SACRAMENTO(SAN)_____________ 1-0______ -
PHEONIX(RANDYROHM)__________ 1-1______ -1/2
SEATTLE(VINIVIDIVINCI)_________ 0-1______ -1.0
LA CLIPPERS(MG SPOOKY)_______ 0-1______ -1.0
PORTLAND(CRAZY JIVIN IVAN)____ 0-1______ -1.0
GOLDEN STATE(NIDMAN)________ 0-1______ -1.0
LA LAKERS(PRETENDING)________ 0-1______ -1.0
Good job Bucs, thanks.
I know I will get yelled at for this but what does the points mean we are picking? When do they come into play? I never saw anything about it.
I apologize as I've been busy lately. Just wondering if I should put forth more effort into that area of the contest.
I know I will get yelled at for this but what does the points mean we are picking? When do they come into play? I never saw anything about it.
I apologize as I've been busy lately. Just wondering if I should put forth more effort into that area of the contest.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patrick McIrish:
Good job Bucs, thanks.
I know I will get yelled at for this but what does the points mean we are picking? When do they come into play? I never saw anything about it.
I apologize as I've been busy lately. Just wondering if I should put forth more effort into that area of the contest.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
YES PATRICK, THAT IS JUST A LITTLE BONUS THROWN OUT BY FREDDY AND MIKE....I ASKED FOR A BONUS GAME LIKE THIS, AND THEY SAID GO FOR IT....SO YOU PICK POINTS EVERY NIGHT, ANYTIME U HIT IT YOU GET A 100.00 MATCHPLAY....CAN WIN IT AS MANY TIMES AS U CAN.....
WAS A NICE BONUS FROM GAMBLER'S AVENUE FOR THE PLAYERS....
Good job Bucs, thanks.
I know I will get yelled at for this but what does the points mean we are picking? When do they come into play? I never saw anything about it.
I apologize as I've been busy lately. Just wondering if I should put forth more effort into that area of the contest.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
YES PATRICK, THAT IS JUST A LITTLE BONUS THROWN OUT BY FREDDY AND MIKE....I ASKED FOR A BONUS GAME LIKE THIS, AND THEY SAID GO FOR IT....SO YOU PICK POINTS EVERY NIGHT, ANYTIME U HIT IT YOU GET A 100.00 MATCHPLAY....CAN WIN IT AS MANY TIMES AS U CAN.....
WAS A NICE BONUS FROM GAMBLER'S AVENUE FOR THE PLAYERS....
