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There is a very fine line between "playing the clock" and playing your opponent.

Especially when the other team can start moving the ball at will at any moment.
 

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There is a very fine line between "playing the clock" and playing your opponent.

Especially when the other team can start moving the ball at will at any moment.
There is no fine line with running the clock down and kicking a 40 fg to take an 11 pt lead with under 3 min
 

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There is no fine line with running the clock down and kicking a 40 fg to take an 11 pt lead with under 3 min

That isn't the sequence we're talking about.

The other series are the ones that I think some of the criticism is reaching.

I think we're all in agreement that the final series they overthought it.
 

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Going up against probably the best coach/QB combo ever, Atlanta had the ball up 16 points facing 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] and 1 at their own 34 yard line with 8:30 left. What do they do?

CALL A PASS PLAY!

I don’t know how Atlanta fans deal with this. I would be inconsolable and maybe still drunk
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in case you missed it, Mr Trump has declared a state of emergency in Georgia. MASS alcohol intoxication, numerous chaps lying on the sides of the road. Dehydrated. Folks walking into emergency wards, mental health institutions; dressed a mess, no ID. Babbling. Reportedly , 11 people have blown their brains out-- brain tissue littering the streets.............a delicacy for mice, those little fucks are having a field day....................................dagone................





missed the first half, did catch the rest. At another forum (not sports/gambling) a few chaps are callign it the greatest Super Bowl ever. Huh? I'm assuming they're from MA. Where does one draw the line in calling this a disturbing choke or a brilliant comeback?

1st and 10 at the Pats 24 yr line with 4 min left? That's kinda hard to fuck up- at the very least (barring a fumble) gotta give the placekicker a shot to end this. While wtahcing that shit show unfold , which included the league MVP taking a sack and knocking his team out of fg range-- couldn't help but think,, how fallible we all can be under duress. In medicine, robots are becoming popular--- would you want an experienced surgeon or a robot doing your surgery? accuracy? no comparison......just sayin'..........random thoughts..........dagone.........
 

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Kyle didn't have anything to do with Atlanta's defense, which was steam rolled

well, if there's someone to lead that comeback, it's tom brady no doubt. nobody else can pick apart a defense like he does. that being said, i think atl's defense played excellent despite getting scored on in the 4th/OT. they didn't give up that field position on ryan's fumble loss that led to a TD. and they played edelman just about as well as you could have played him. had edelman not caught that, atl had their own chance to get that interception. they also played the pats tight to the end as beasley almost picked brady in the end zone. falcons had their opportunities to make big plays but they just weren't able to capitalize at the end.

5 sacks
fumble recovery that led to a TD
pick 6
they played through 90+ plays
i dont think there's any defense that can sustain for that long. besides, holding patriots to 12 points in a little over 3 quarters is quite the accomplishment in itself.
it's the offense's job to keep the ball out of brady's hands.
 

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It reminded me a lot of this game. Pats/Colts from '06 when Manning finally got over the hump.

Look at how much the Pats D was on the field in that middle/end part of the game because of the Asante Samuel pick 6, a long kickoff return to setup their 4th TD and their other drives being so short.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=270121011

Then in the 4th quarter they stepped up and had 3 possessions where they only gaveup 3 points, but the offense couldn't do anything and Indy got it back to drive for the win. D was just gassed at the end.
 

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Sure he did. It's pretty difficult to argue that Atlanta's inability to stay on the field didn't play at least some role in Atlanta's defense getting steam rolled in the 2nd half.

then you're the one saying the Patriots dominated both sides of the ball, I'm just saying the Patriots offense steamrolled the Falcons defense
 

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On the year the ATL kicker was 7-7 between 40-50 and for his career has converted 93% of all 4th Q kicks.

the last time the Falcons made it to the SB, Gary Anderson who didn't miss a FG all year missed a FG otherwise Atlanta loses to the Vikings

last year, the Patriots didn't send the AFC Championship into OT because Gostoski missed his first xp in like 450 times, a lot of which came after they moved the XP back

records and streaks are made to be broken, especially in more stressful situations

shit happens
 

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Willie blind spots: uconn/ patriots/ politics.

Some people just won't ever recognize certain things. Pretty sad
 

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Brutal for ATL fans like myself. 1st half was perfect. 4 min in 4Q and they could have sealed the deal. Brutal.
 

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Brutal for ATL fans like myself. 1st half was perfect. 4 min in 4Q and they could have sealed the deal. Brutal.

correct...with different plays being called.

some of this nearly falls on Ryan for doing the only thing in the world you can't do by taking the sack...and for Quinn for being a bia for not overruling Shanahan...but come on.
 

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Shanahan should probably wait until the ink is dry on that 9ers deal before he tries to explain that last possession
 

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Brutal for ATL fans like myself. 1st half was perfect. 4 min in 4Q and they could have sealed the deal. Brutal.

yes, many around the city are numb, in shock, depressed (or all the above).............just can't believe that happened.
 

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That was the drive before. 2nd and 11 up 28-9 a little too early to be killing clock. Tons of time left in the game. Passing and going for the jugular is fine there to me.

They were averaging 12-13 yards a pass, tough to start thinking about the clock that early.

Especially given how wild 4th quarters of superbowls have been recently. I don't mind staying aggressive there.

I think all that stuff is nitpicking compared to the throwing on 2nd and 11 at the 23 on their final drive.


I'm not necessarily saying they should have played the clock there, rather just get a few yards and get a field goal. If they get 7 yards and a FG there, they win.

Also, at that point in the game, the Falcons defense had already played over 50 snaps. You can't keep dropping back and throwing incomplete passes.
 

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I'm not necessarily saying they should have played the clock there, rather just get a few yards and get a field goal. If they get 7 yards and a FG there, they win.

Also, at that point in the game, the Falcons defense had already played over 50 snaps. You can't keep dropping back and throwing incomplete passes.

That's true regarding the # of possessions, they were also snapping the ball with 15-20 seconds on the clock when they should've been snapping at under 5.

But just lining up and running the ball isn't really their offense. Had 2 lineman down, I don't think they thought they were going to get 7 yards. Most of their success running earlier in the game was on zone runs/stretch plays and taking what the Pats D gave them, NE was emphasizing stopping the run more at this point because they had to get them off the field as fast as possible rather than play the bend but don't break.

All of that stuff is debatable I think, but like I said it is just a really secondary criticism compared to the 2nd and 11 on the 24 and passing stuff which we all agree was pretty egregious.
 

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