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Yep. Winning kinda the whole fucking point

Brady is good at doing that and getting his teams to buy in. Think Burrow is the same way
The QBs towards the top of the MVP list are all winners.
 

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MVP odds are pretty close at the moment to my rankings of these QBs. Most favorites are overvalued , doesn't mean they don't belong as the favorite. It means the wagering public like Allen going into the season.
There is some truth to that, but Herbert and Allen are particularly overvalued because their teams are less likely to be as good as they're projected to be
 

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The QBs towards the top of the MVP list are all winners.
I guess winner is a subjective word, but Brady kinda waaaaaaaaay above the field in that regard.

The guy has more Super Bowls than any individual franchise. That's pretty nuts
 

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I guess winner is a subjective word, but Brady kinda waaaaaaaaay above the field in that regard.

The guy has more Super Bowls than any individual franchise. That's pretty nuts
Brady is going to get the benefit of doubt until his career is over.. I get it.. and for the most part he deserves it.

My point , these top tier QB's wouldn't be the reason their teams aren't winners. Chargers didn't make the playoffs last year.. Anyone think the reason they missed out was because of Herbert ? Absolutely not. Same with Allen , anyone out there think they lost to the Chiefs, was because of Allen's performance ? if anything that game put him over the top as a winner. Probably the best QB performance in the entire playoff season even in a loss.
 

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There is some truth to that, but Herbert and Allen are particularly overvalued because their teams are less likely to be as good as they're projected to be
ANY player getting inside 10/1 MVP odds would be overvalued.. Doesn't mean they don't belong there.. I expect big results from the Chargers this year, and wouldn't be surprised one bit that Herbert has a shot at the MVP , but it doesn't mean an 8 or 10/1 bet is a good wager.
 

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Brady is going to get the benefit of doubt until his career is over.. I get it.. and for the most part he deserves it.

My point , these top tier QB's wouldn't be the reason their teams aren't winners. Chargers didn't make the playoffs last year.. Anyone think the reason they missed out was because of Herbert ? Absolutely not. Same with Allen , anyone out there think they lost to the Chiefs, was because of Allen's performance ? if anything that game put him over the top as a winner. Probably the best QB performance in the entire playoff season even in a loss.
Yeah I agree in the sense that obviously you can having a winning team with any of these guys

But when I think of winners, I think of guys who have actually won/had that success.

Herbert is capable of being on a winning team, but reality is he hasn't even been in the playoffs yet.

Allen has had a little bit of success, but not much. I think Buffalo is starved enough where a single AFC championship game appearance means a lot

Mahomes and Rodgers both have a ring obviously. Mahomes has been way more relevant in terms of the playoff picture though for some time now

Burrow has a very small sample size, but he's already got 3 playoff wins and a SB appearance -- meaningful in context given that it's Cincinnati
 

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ANY player getting inside 10/1 MVP odds would be overvalued.. Doesn't mean they don't belong there.. I expect big results from the Chargers this year, and wouldn't be surprised one bit that Herbert has a shot at the MVP , but it doesn't mean an 8 or 10/1 bet is a good wager.
Aside from the actual price of each one, I'm talking about how these QB's are ranked odds-wise

I think multiple guys should be ahead of both Allen and Herbert. I would put them as 5 and 6 personally
 

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Aside from the actual price of each one, I'm talking about how these QB's are ranked odds-wise

I think multiple guys should be ahead of both Allen and Herbert. I would put them as 5 and 6 personally
Just looking at the odds , most obviously would disagree with you.
 

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Just looking at the odds , most obviously would disagree with you.
I mean odds shouldn't be the sole factor determining rankings, or really even a major one

Chargers have been proven to be overhyped year after year. I haven't heard a good reason why that's gonna change this year
 

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Yeah I agree in the sense that obviously you can having a winning team with any of these guys

But when I think of winners, I think of guys who have actually won/had that success.

Herbert is capable of being on a winning team, but reality is he hasn't even been in the playoffs yet.

Allen has had a little bit of success, but not much. I think Buffalo is starved enough where a single AFC championship game appearance means a lot

Mahomes and Rodgers both have a ring obviously. Mahomes has been way more relevant in terms of the playoff picture though for some time now

Burrow has a very small sample size, but he's already got 3 playoff wins and a SB appearance -- meaningful in context given that it's Cincinnati
QB's aren't always the reason why teams win either... Bengals success in the playoffs was more attributed to the defense.. Burrow was ok , but far from being the reason for their success Brady and Peytons last SB wins were both because of their teams defense. Peyton in particular was pretty much along for the ride.. Tampa's DL was the dominant force in the playoffs in their run.

You have to ask yourself , who looked the part of a playoff winning QB against KC in playoffs last year .. Burrow or Allen ?

You like to use the word excuse alot. I like to look at the reasons why games turned out the way they do... Mahomes was awful against the Bengals , credit to the Bengals defense , they were really good , the real difference there imo...
Allen was fabulous against KC the week before, pretty much what a championship QB looks like.. If you had to point fingers after the loss , the defense couldn't stop Mahomes.. But since the team lost ......................... it looks differently to some..
 

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I mean odds shouldn't be the sole factor determining rankings, or really even a major one

Chargers have been proven to be overhyped year after year. I haven't heard a good reason why that's gonna change this year
we can look at all kinds of factors...... If a consensus of GM's had a choice to take any QB in the league right now , have a hard time believing Rodgers, Herbert, and Allen wouldn't be the top 3 picked.. maybe a few exceptions ,

I don't pay much attention to the hype thing.. Nothing stays the same for very long unless you were in the AFC East for two decades... To be honest , Chargers before Herbert probably weren't even worth any kind of hype. Roster keeps improving , probably the best in that division now , which you couldn't say before this year and now have some good experience under their belt..
 

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QB's aren't always the reason why teams win either... Bengals success in the playoffs was more attributed to the defense.. Burrow was ok , but far from being the reason for their success Brady and Peytons last SB wins were both because of their teams defense. Peyton in particular was pretty much along for the ride.. Tampa's DL was the dominant force in the playoffs in their run.

You have to ask yourself , who looked the part of a playoff winning QB against KC in playoffs last year .. Burrow or Allen ?

You like to use the word excuse alot. I like to look at the reasons why games turned out the way they do... Mahomes was awful against the Bengals , credit to the Bengals defense , they were really good , the real difference there imo...
Allen was fabulous against KC the week before, pretty much what a championship QB looks like.. If you had to point fingers after the loss , the defense couldn't stop Mahomes.. But since the team lost ......................... it looks differently to some..
Bengals success was attributed to a lot things, including the defense and Burrow. Burrow wasn't statistically spectacular but he did play very well in the playoff run. Made very difficult throws when he needed to, as well as made plays with your legs. His game against Tennessee was phenomenal. To be getting attacked like that with no offensive line, and still be able to sit in and play as well as he did was pretty phenomenal.

The KC/Buffalo game last year gets too much attention in general. People were saying that was the AFC Championship game. Well that obviously proved to be wrong.

In reality it was just two defenses completely collapsing and the QB's taking advantage. If you watch the throws that were made, about 90% of the league would've made them -- especially Allen's. Burrow would have done the same thing.

Burrow already thrashed the KC defense a few weeks before then too. 30/39 446 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INT. Looked like a "championship QB" that day
 

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we can look at all kinds of factors...... If a consensus of GM's had a choice to take any QB in the league right now , have a hard time believing Rodgers, Herbert, and Allen wouldn't be the top 3 picked.. maybe a few exceptions ,

I don't pay much attention to the hype thing.. Nothing stays the same for very long unless you were in the AFC East for two decades... To be honest , Chargers before Herbert probably weren't even worth any kind of hype. Roster keeps improving , probably the best in that division now , which you couldn't say before this year and now have some good experience under their belt..
Welp we'll be saying the same thing about the Chargers after they finish third in the division with a great roster again.

I doubt Rodgers would be in the top 3 for GMs given age, or Brady. Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert would be the four they would want to build around.
 

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Bengals success was attributed to a lot things, including the defense and Burrow. Burrow wasn't statistically spectacular but he did play very well in the playoff run. Made very difficult throws when he needed to, as well as made plays with your legs. His game against Tennessee was phenomenal. To be getting attacked like that with no offensive line, and still be able to sit in and play as well as he did was pretty phenomenal.

The KC/Buffalo game last year gets too much attention in general. People were saying that was the AFC Championship game. Well that obviously proved to be wrong.

In reality it was just two defenses completely collapsing and the QB's taking advantage. If you watch the throws that were made, about 90% of the league would've made them -- especially Allen's. Burrow would have done the same thing.

Burrow already thrashed the KC defense a few weeks before then too. 30/39 446 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INT. Looked like a "championship QB" that day
we get it.. You're not a fan of Allen , so there will always be an excuse....

Tenn gave you the game if you want to be honest.. 3 costly pics , that's pretty much what most people will remember from that game.You sack a QB 9 times , you should win the game. Tannehill lost it... Burrow wasn't "statistically spectacular" was pretty much me agreeing with you that Burrow was ok.. He was ok.
 

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Welp we'll be saying the same thing about the Chargers after they finish third in the division with a great roster again.

I doubt Rodgers would be in the top 3 for GMs given age, or Brady. Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert would be the four they would want to build around.
you might be right about Rodgers and the age thing, Age doesn't seem to be creeping up on him yet.. But it will soon
 

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we get it.. You're not a fan of Allen , so there will always be an excuse....

Tenn gave you the game if you want to be honest.. 3 costly pics , that's pretty much what most people will remember from that game.You sack a QB 9 times , you should win the game. Tannehill lost it... Burrow wasn't "statistically spectacular" was pretty much me agreeing with you that Burrow was ok.. He was ok.
I do like Allen, I just don't think he should be the MVP frontrunner. I think saying he's the 5th best QB in the league isn't disrespectful at all. I would Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Burrow as my top 4.

In terms of pure accuracy, to your delight, I would say Rodgers is the best and Burrow is 2nd.

Burrow played well against Tennessee. 28/37 for 348 with not much help from the running game and basically no time to throw all game. Plus the dagger perfect throw to Chase at the end.

The interception was a pretty flukey play, and frankly was the biggest break of the game -- went in Titans favor. That probably ends up being a double digit win for Cincy if. Tannehill was prone to playing like shit all year long, so not shocking he didn't play well in that game.
 

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FWIW you're right about these guys not being the reason why they lose

But MVP is very much tied to team success/winning, so you do have to truly win to be considered for the award. So that's why they shouldn't be up quite that high
 

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I do like Allen, I just don't think he should be the MVP frontrunner. I think saying he's the 5th best QB in the league isn't disrespectful at all. I would Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Burrow as my top 4.

In terms of pure accuracy, to your delight, I would say Rodgers is the best and Burrow is 2nd.

Burrow played well against Tennessee. 28/37 for 348 with not much help from the running game and basically no time to throw all game. Plus the dagger perfect throw to Chase at the end.

The interception was a pretty flukey play, and frankly was the biggest break of the game -- went in Titans favor. That probably ends up being a double digit win for Cincy if. Tannehill was prone to playing like shit all year long, so not shocking he didn't play well in that game.
I don't like Allen as the frontrunner either from a wagering perspective., No value at 7/1... You and I aren't moving Allen in that direction.. We'll see how it works out for the people that did move him to the front of the line. 12/1 or 15/1 I probably would jump in. late with Herbert also.. 14/1 was the opener in some shops , which was decent
Not that I'm crazy about my wagers , but do see value in Winston at 100/1 , and Cousins at 75/1
 

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FWIW you're right about these guys not being the reason why they lose

But MVP is very much tied to team success/winning, so you do have to truly win to be considered for the award. So that's why they shouldn't be up quite that high
Buffalo playing in the East probably gives them a leg up on the rest of the contenders getting to that #1 seed.
 

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Buffalo playing in the East probably gives them a leg up on the rest of the contenders getting to that #1 seed.
Maybe but they do have some tough games.

Visiting Chiefs, Rams, Bengals -- maybe the 3 best teams

Regular season Packers at home will be tough too

Also think New England will be a tough out still
 

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