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Thanks for all you do BuzzKill
 

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jeez look at that goldsheet. the ncaaf pages are barren. who bought the right to call themselves the goldsheet. Im pretty sure the originals are all gone. I agree it did have some good info, but to say a great fade? lol... they made a prediction on every single game, you really gonna bet that many ? they put it out by monday also. RIP goldsheet
 

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jeez look at that goldsheet. the ncaaf pages are barren. who bought the right to call themselves the goldsheet. Im pretty sure the originals are all gone. I agree it did have some good info, but to say a great fade? lol... they made a prediction on every single game, you really gonna bet that many ? they put it out by monday also. RIP goldsheet
Last week the Gold Sheet Key Release was Minnesota U, when Bruce Marshall (gold sheet writeup guy for the 40 years i have been reading it) released the opposite side with Nebraska it was confirmed to me one of the Wager Talk guys (ralph micheals ...a guess maybe) or one of the wagertalk guys is doing the writeups.
So Yeah ,they ruined it.
 

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Last week the Gold Sheet Key Release was Minnesota U, when Bruce Marshall (gold sheet writeup guy for the 40 years i have been reading it) released the opposite side with Nebraska it was confirmed to me one of the Wager Talk guys (ralph micheals ...a guess maybe) or one of the wagertalk guys is doing the writeups.
So Yeah ,they ruined it.
i tried to read a couple of the writeups....doesnt sound anything like the previous. Idk, is it me, it was tough to read. I remember getting the sheet when i was first able to drive and Mort was still on it. I'd drive on thursdays to a newstand.... lots of good info and look aheads in the week for basketball.......id recommend to anyone starting off to read those guys. If nothing else was entertaining to my interests as much as anything i could read.
 

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i tried to read a couple of the writeups....doesnt sound anything like the previous. Idk, is it me, it was tough to read. I remember getting the sheet when i was first able to drive and Mort was still on it. I'd drive on thursdays to a newstand.... lots of good info and look aheads in the week for basketball.......id recommend to anyone starting off to read those guys. If nothing else was entertaining to my interests as much as anything i could read.
I remember that they were calling him Mort " Two Sides " Olshan in the old Score newsletter out of Boston.
Cigar, I used to drive 21 miles one to a news/magazine store in Chicago because it was one of about 3-4 places around that carried multiple publications back in the day. Where were you back then?
 

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I remember that they were calling him Mort " Two Sides " Olshan in the old Score newsletter out of Boston.
Cigar, I used to drive 21 miles one to a news/magazine store in Chicago because it was one of about 3-4 places around that carried multiple publications back in the day. Where were you back then?
really, did he give out two both sides ? i never bought a play but sometimes they'd be posted in here or the old cappersmall but i never saw a goldsheet play differ than what was in the newsletters. I dont know how much he was writing back then but it was pretty smooth from Mort to Marshall. Goldsheet was really the only one i've read ....i drove about 25 mins to st louis from my parents. .... i dont know if those guys did all the writing but i used to want to fade the caption that started off with the word "Sure" .... something like Sure the 49ers went to Pittsburgh and drubbed the Steelers 30-7 behind 152 rushing yards by CM, but......i dont know who wrote those.....Mort i know had the "if someone asked me i'd say" cover story. Those guys were on top of the chicainery, the politics et al... from senator John Mccain trying to ban wagering on collegiate sports to the breakthrough to legalization in New Jersey. The same people who fought it now had their hand out saying it's our product we should get a cut. The goldsheet was news, man, i loved it.
 

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I'll probably get in trouble posting in here so much but i used to save them for the "requotable"..this one is from 2005 might be the last one i have... A quote from Joe Paterno after the announcement that they'll play FSU in a bowl he says I hope it doesnt come down to Paterno vs Bowden cause I cant run and he runs slower. .....but there were lots of quotes one i still use to this day..."if you can see a bandwagon, it's too late to get on" Anyway Mort was done by then I'd say, it says Bruce Marshall associate editor.
 

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Newsletter Tracking (through 9/10/2023)

Many people here are probably already familiar with my tracking thread from the other place.

The records here will reflect the lines listed in the newsletters at the time the plays were published. This is for the rated plays, the high-ranking plays, and any type of play worth tracking. There’s no reason to keep track of every bottom-tier or “recommended” play; it’s not worth the work.

Sometimes the newsletters will cheat a little by claiming a different common or later line if it turns a loss into a push or otherwise boosts their record. I’ll usually be able to note what happened to explain the discrepancy.

I’ll also highlight particularly good or bad weekends or short-term runs. I will not include picks from newsletter issues that we don’t get in time.

Some of these will be great follows, some will be great fades, but most won’t show a significant pattern either way.



Gridiron Gold Sheet
NCAA (0-0-0)
NFL (0-0-0)

CKO
11* (0-0-0)
10* (0-0-0)

Marc Lawrence Playbook NCAA
5* (2-0-0)
4* (2-0-0)
3* (1-1-0)
Upset pick (0-2-0)
Betcha Didn’t Know (0-2-0) (Jets +1.5 pending for Monday night)
Awesome Angle (1-1-0)
Incredible Stat (2-0-0)

Marc Lawrence Playbook NFL
5* (0-0-0) (Jets +1.5 pending for Monday night)
4* (0-1-0)
3* (0-1-0)

Pointwise NCAA
1* (3-1-0)
2* (1-1-0)
3* (1-1-0)
4* (2-2-0)
5* (3-1-0)

Pointwise NFL
3* (1-0-0)
4* (0-2-0)
5* (1-0-0) (Jets +2.5 pending for Monday night)

Power Sweep NCAA (rated NCAA plays were 0-5-0 this week)
4* (1-1-0)
3* (0-4-0)
2* (2-2-0)
Dog POW (1-1-0)
Tech POW (2-0-0)
Revenge POW (2-0-0)
Situational POW (1-1-0)
Series POW (0-0-0)

Power Sweep NFL
4* (1-0-0)
3* (0-1-0)
2* (0-1-0)
4* Pro Angle (0-2-0)
3* o/u (1-0-0)

Power Plays NCAA
4.5* (1-4-0)
4* (4-4-0)

Power Plays NFL
4* (0-1-0)

Red Sheet
90* (0-0-0)
89* (1-1-0)
88* (1-2-0)
88* NFL (0-1-0)

Sports Reporter (5-0 overall this week)
NCAA Best Bets (4-2-0)
NFL Best Bets (2-0-0)

Winning Points NCAA
4* (1-1-0)
3* (0-2-0)

Winning Points NFL
4* (1-0-0)
3* (1-0-0)

King’s Totals Tipsheet
3* (0-0-0) (Under 47.5 pending for Monday night)
2* (2-0-0)
Team Total (0-2-0)

Gold Sheet Key Releases
NCAA (3-7-0)
NFL (3-1-0)

Power’s Picks NCAA
3* (0-0-0)
2* (0-0-0)
1* (0-0-0)

Power’s Picks NFL
3* (0-0-0)
2* (0-0-0)
1* (0-0-0)

Inside the Press Box NCAA
Phil’s Best Bets (5-3-1)
Computer Best Bets (3-6-0)

Inside the Press Box NFL
Phil’s Best Bets (1-1-0)
Computer Best Bets (0-0-0)
 

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RE: Goldsheet, yes in the day Mort and the write ups were much better, nowadays you have the added games and such, much more than what the GS covered back then, Bruce Marshall was one of their lead cappers then and is now, Brad Powers also worked for them a short time, mostly Brad worked for NorthCoast/PowerSweep, the newsletters typically used to give injury info, how games' outcomes were as far as yards for and against, etc., the power ratings also were pretty much spot on to what Vegas used for opening lines for sides. GS Key Plays is what is tracked by any monitor out there, they usally only put out 3-5 College and 3-4 NFL selections including totals.

We appreciate those who took the time to get them to Buzz so we could look at the link and gather info!! That's what it's all about!!

BOLE!!
 

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Got to meet Bob McCune (wrote a good gambling book or two) in the 80's. Sent him articles from the Mpls. StarTribune early in the week. It
was actually a job for me to supply 'info' to him, and I learned a lot about handicapping from him. He and Jack Painter were partners
and won the Super Contest once back in the day. Bob and his wife invited me to their home after
I moved out west and Bob's house was covered with data, dot matrix printer printouts. He had all the
data it was possible to have. But that's not what matters here: Bob told me numerous names who released
both sides of games, in the same day, one right after the other. I was stunned (naive) but he explained the math
of just how profitable this was. And it was mind boggling. I still have my scribbles from that weekend....
In simple math and with just ONE "service" "late telephone" (for example)
if "I" have 60 clients at $1000 week/month in todays money.
I go 5 - 0 with 10 clients
I go 4 - 1 with 10
I go 3 - 2 with 10
2 - 3 with 10, 1-4 with 10, 0-5 with 10 (These guys are done with you, but no one will ever know in the 80's.
Meanwhile the top 30 will now happily pay twice the price for "red hot" picks this week.
Of those 30 the pickster (sleazeball) will keep about 12, lose 18. Then the following week...he has very little
chance of losing half of week 3's suckers. (Can you imagine going say 10-5 and saying no if you are betting 10x
the price of the service?)
He sat their breaking it down for me as I asked about the losing weeks after 3 winning weeks. Because the first
few weeks his week 4 bettors were salivating, they would pay almost anything.
At that point the customers would be pretty pleased with themselves.
Finally after we played this game which he named names I had to sit down with some of THEM. Some were on
TV. Two of them were multi-millionaires and bought me nice dinners as I ran into them over the years. And not all,
but a few confessed to the deed of releasing both sides of the game to customers. BUT each had a similar excuse. "The lines
change kid, and you have to know that means smart money is being bet and that's our guys, so you not only get
(the word for arbitrage they would use, can't remember it) but it's a different pick altogether." By the way "Mort Olshan"
was not one of the names I was given and it was in that period that The Gold Sheet became an addiction. :)
 

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Newsletter Tracking (through 9/11/2023) **updated to include Monday Night Football**

Many people here are probably already familiar with my tracking thread from the other place.

The records here will reflect the lines listed in the newsletters at the time the plays were published. This is for the rated plays, the high-ranking plays, and any type of play worth tracking. There’s no reason to keep track of every bottom-tier or “recommended” play; it’s not worth the work.

Sometimes the newsletters will cheat a little by claiming a different common or later line if it turns a loss into a push or otherwise boosts their record. I’ll usually be able to note what happened to explain the discrepancy.

I’ll also highlight particularly good or bad weekends or short-term runs. I will not include picks from newsletter issues that we don’t get in time.

Some of these will be great follows, some will be great fades, but most won’t show a significant pattern either way.



Gridiron Gold Sheet
NCAA (0-0-0)
NFL (0-0-0)

CKO
11* (0-0-0)
10* (0-0-0)

Marc Lawrence Playbook NCAA
5* (2-0-0)
4* (2-0-0)
3* (1-1-0)
Upset pick (0-2-0)
Betcha Didn’t Know (1-2-0)
Awesome Angle (1-1-0)
Incredible Stat (2-0-0)

Marc Lawrence Playbook NFL
5* (1-0-0)
4* (0-1-0)
3* (0-1-0)

Pointwise NCAA
1* (3-1-0)
2* (1-1-0)
3* (1-1-0)
4* (2-2-0)
5* (3-1-0)

Pointwise NFL
3* (1-0-0)
4* (0-2-0)
5* (2-0-0)

Power Sweep NCAA (rated NCAA plays were 0-5-0 this week)
4* (1-1-0)
3* (0-4-0)
2* (2-2-0)
Dog POW (1-1-0)
Tech POW (2-0-0)
Revenge POW (2-0-0)
Situational POW (1-1-0)
Series POW (0-0-0)

Power Sweep NFL
4* (1-0-0)
3* (0-1-0)
2* (0-1-0)
4* Pro Angle (0-2-0)
3* o/u (1-0-0)

Power Plays NCAA
4.5* (1-4-0)
4* (4-4-0)

Power Plays NFL
4* (0-1-0)

Red Sheet
90* (0-0-0)
89* (1-1-0)
88* (1-2-0)
88* NFL (0-1-0)

Sports Reporter (5-0 overall this week)
NCAA Best Bets (4-2-0)
NFL Best Bets (2-0-0)

Winning Points NCAA
4* (1-1-0)
3* (0-2-0)

Winning Points NFL
4* (1-0-0)
3* (1-0-0)

King’s Totals Tipsheet
3* (1-0-0)
2* (2-0-0)
Team Total (0-2-0)

Gold Sheet Key Releases
NCAA (3-7-0)
NFL (3-1-0)

Power’s Picks NCAA
3* (0-0-0)
2* (0-0-0)
1* (0-0-0)

Power’s Picks NFL
3* (0-0-0)
2* (0-0-0)
1* (0-0-0)

Inside the Press Box NCAA
Phil’s Best Bets (5-3-1)
Computer Best Bets (3-6-0)

Inside the Press Box NFL
Phil’s Best Bets (1-1-0)
Computer Best Bets (0-0-0)
 

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I'll probably get in trouble posting in here so much but i used to save them for the "requotable"..this one is from 2005 might be the last one i have... A quote from Joe Paterno after the announcement that they'll play FSU in a bowl he says I hope it doesnt come down to Paterno vs Bowden cause I cant run and he runs slower. .....but there were lots of quotes one i still use to this day..."if you can see a bandwagon, it's too late to get on" Anyway Mort was done by then I'd say, it says Bruce Marshall associate editor.
I have no proof of them "two siding". That Score outfit from Boston started out pretty hot winning their GOY the first 7 years so they made a lot of claims about everyone else. Early on, it was always an in season game but it ended up coming out on the last day of Bowls, usually NYD, so I thought that was sketchy. They went 50-50 the last 6 or 8 seasons and then kind of fell out. It was Bob Dunbar and about 4-5 others whose names escape me now. Willie someone and another guy who broke off from them for a few years with his own service. If I can recall them, I'll post them,
 
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Got to meet Bob McCune (wrote a good gambling book or two) in the 80's. Sent him articles from the Mpls. StarTribune early in the week. It
was actually a job for me to supply 'info' to him, and I learned a lot about handicapping from him. He and Jack Painter were partners
and won the Super Contest once back in the day. Bob and his wife invited me to their home after
I moved out west and Bob's house was covered with data, dot matrix printer printouts. He had all the
data it was possible to have. But that's not what matters here: Bob told me numerous names who released
both sides of games, in the same day, one right after the other. I was stunned (naive) but he explained the math
of just how profitable this was. And it was mind boggling. I still have my scribbles from that weekend....
In simple math and with just ONE "service" "late telephone" (for example)
if "I" have 60 clients at $1000 week/month in todays money.
I go 5 - 0 with 10 clients
I go 4 - 1 with 10
I go 3 - 2 with 10
2 - 3 with 10, 1-4 with 10, 0-5 with 10 (These guys are done with you, but no one will ever know in the 80's.
Meanwhile the top 30 will now happily pay twice the price for "red hot" picks this week.
Of those 30 the pickster (sleazeball) will keep about 12, lose 18. Then the following week...he has very little
chance of losing half of week 3's suckers. (Can you imagine going say 10-5 and saying no if you are betting 10x
the price of the service?)
He sat their breaking it down for me as I asked about the losing weeks after 3 winning weeks. Because the first
few weeks his week 4 bettors were salivating, they would pay almost anything.
At that point the customers would be pretty pleased with themselves.
Finally after we played this game which he named names I had to sit down with some of THEM. Some were on
TV. Two of them were multi-millionaires and bought me nice dinners as I ran into them over the years. And not all,
but a few confessed to the deed of releasing both sides of the game to customers. BUT each had a similar excuse. "The lines
change kid, and you have to know that means smart money is being bet and that's our guys, so you not only get
(the word for arbitrage they would use, can't remember it) but it's a different pick altogether." By the way "Mort Olshan"
was not one of the names I was given and it was in that period that The Gold Sheet became an addiction. :)
Awesome trip down memory lane. I remember getting up early to watch the tout shows on Saturday mornings, taking notes, enjoying the debates, determining who were full of it and who were just salesmen. Wanted to hear the banter - decide between the knowledge and the BS. Couldn't wait to get my GoldSheet in the mail! I might be naive still, but isn't there argument that the internet services and more published newsletters via the internet really prevent touts from playing both sides? Unless, of course, the same owner goes under two different tout names... Has anyone ever seen Wayne Allyn Root and Chip Chirimbes in the same room?...
Love the thread!
 

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the score n/l was hilarious ---- bill hilton , bob dunbar , willie obrian , et al .........the cover used to have pictures , i remember one with elvis , with somne outrageous claim. they used to poke fun at all the tipsters ,,,,,, they used to refer a bad danny sheridan weekend as a "gassing' , as in ....danny sheridan gasssed his clients with another 1-7 week" .... it was like the national enquirer for football bettors
 

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I have no proof of them "two siding". That Score outfit from Boston started out pretty hot winning their GOY the first 7 years so they made a lot of claims about everyone else. Early on, it was always an in season game but it ended up coming out on the last day of Bowls, usually NYD, so I thought that was sketchy. They went 50-50 the last 6 or 8 seasons and then kind of fell out. It was Bob Dunbar and about 4-5 others whose names escape me now. Willie someone and another guy who broke off from them for a few years with his own service. If I can recall them, I'll post them,
Mort Olshan died of lung cancer in 2003?

I am very familiar with Score. One of the reason they moved the Lock of the Year to Bowl Games was because the line moved so much on the games. Bowl game had more 2 sided money and a lot of time for the line to smooth out.
The big 3 guys were Bob Dunbar, Bill Hilton & Willie O'Brien. Harry Bondi was with them too.
 

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