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2009 COLLEGE & PRO FOOTBALL NEWSLETTER

Issue # 2 Games through September 14, 2009


COLLEGE SELECTION OF THE WEEK: OHIO STATE + 7 over Usc - What a difference one game can make! For most of the summer the advance line for this contest was USC by 3. Then USC manhandles San Jose State as expected, 56-3. Meanwhile OSU barely survives against a well disciplined, well prepared Navy team, 31-27 and the line jumps more than a FG. This is a HUGE game for Ohio State as they seek to avenge last season's 35-3 loss at USC. This time it's USC with the rookie QB making his first road start in hostile environs. The Buckeyes were looking ahead last week and showed little versus Navy and although it almost cost them, there's no reason for Buckeye backers to panic. Most teams have trouble preparing for the Navy offense and had OSU not been putting in more time preparing for USC we might have well seen the one sided game many expected. USC is the better team and deserves to be favored. But there are some flaws on both sides of the ball the San Jose was unable to expose. Yet the results of the first week give plenty of ammo for those who think Ohio State will be overmatched again this season. But not so fast. Ohio State has been pointing towards this game all summer and while they may not have the talent to prevail they will give USC all they can handle. And will validate the number that was posted all summer. USC wins but by just 24-21.

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South Carolina + 7 over GEORGIA - South Carolina won their opener on the strength of their defense against North Carolina State. Georgia's offense was pretty much held in check at Oklahoma State but the 'Dawgs' defense played well against the high powered and experienced OSU offense. This series has been low scoring and competitive over the past decade with 6 of 10 decided by a TD or less. Only once has the winner of the game scored more than 24 points and neither team has scored more than 20 points in any of the last 5 meetings. That makes getting a full TD extremely attractive especially when the favored team is still working out the kinks in their offense as Georgia replaces a pair of Top 12 NFL draft choices (QB Stafford and RB Moreno). Though Carolina coach Spurrier is noted for being an offensive innovator he also has long recognized the value of an athletic, speedy defense. That's his strength here. Georgia wins but by just 17-13.


Louisiana Tech + 7 over NAVY - Louisiana Tech was outclassed by a talented Auburn team that greatly underachieved in 2008. Navy was well prepared for their battle at Ohio State and nearly caught the Buckeyes at the end, failing when their attempted 2 point conversion was returned for a deuce the other way in OSU's 31-27 win. Both teams step down in class here but Tech has the better athletes. Next week they play regional FCS foe Nicholls State while Navy has a big revenge game at Pitt. La Tech may be the second best team in the WAC behind Boise and the program is well coached as noted last week. True, Navy did show more balance than expected last week against Ohio State, completing 9 of 13 for 156 yds. But that was against a most disinterested defense. With both teams off of expected losses each will want to avoid an 0-2 start and should give maximum effort here. In such instances it's best to side with the more talented team. And it's even more attractive when that team is made the underdog. Louisiana Tech pulls the upset, winning 31-23.



Virginia + 11 over Tcu - Losses can provide powerful motivation. Embarrassing losses can take that motivation to a higher level. That's where Virginia is this week after losing to FCS foe William & Mary 26-14 on their home field. It was their first loss to a non-FBS team in more than 20 years. Virginia has been a decent program for much of this decade although did drop from 9-4 in 2007 to 5-7 last season. TCU was one of two teams not to play last week and that can be a disadvantage here as they see live game action for the first time against a team having already played. TCU has been a solid program at the mid-major level all decade and has fared well on occasion when stepping up in class against BCS competition. Again, Virginia's loss last week adds great value to this line. TCU wins with defense but is nothing more than average on the offensive side of the football. Virginia has athletes every bit as talented as TCU's. Both teams have solid coaches with good track records. TCU's opened well on the road recently but asking them to win by a moderate margin when they don't clearly outclass the opponent is asking a lot. TCU wins but by just 27-21.

Best of the Rest (Recommendations) GEORGIA TECH - 5 over Clemson [1] CONNECTICUT + 5 over North Carolina
East Carolina + 6 over WEST VIRGINIA Iowa - 6 ½ over IOWA STATE
Mississippi State + 14 ½ over AUBURN Byu - 17 over TULANE
OREGON -12 over Purdue MICHIGAN + 3 ½ over Notre Dame
BUFFALO + 10 ½ over Pittsburgh Air Force + 4 over MINNESOTA
INDIANA - 1 over Western Michigan Bowling Green + 19 over MISSOURI
Kansas - 11 over UTEP Central Florida + 15 over SOUTHERN MISS
LSU - 14 ½ over Vanderbilt Tulsa - 17 ½ over NEW MEXICO
SAN JOSE STATE + 13 ½ over Utah Oregon State - 7 over UNLV
Arkansas State + 23 over NEBRASKA Troy + 36 ½ over FLORIDA








The Rest (Opinions) Colorado - 4 over TOLEDO [2] Syracuse + 29 over PENN STATE
VIRGINIA TECH - 20 over Marshall Central Michigan + 14 ½ over MICHIGAN STATE
Eastern Michigan + 18 ½ over NORTHWESTERN Duke + 2 over ARMY
WISCONSIN - 8 ½ over Fresno State WAKE FOREST - 3 over Stanford
Ucla + 8 ½ over TENNESSEE Texas - 34 over WYOMING
Idaho + 21 over WASHINGTON ALA-BIRMINGHAM - 12 over Smu
BOSTON COLLEGE - 21 over Kent State TEXAS TECH - 27 ½ over Rice
Washington State + 2 over Hawaii OKLAHOMA STATE - 15 ½ over Houston
BOISE STATE - 36 ½ over Miami Ohio Florida International + 33 ½ over ALABAMA
WESTERN KENTUCKY + 25 over South Florida Ohio U - 3 over NORTH TEXAS
Memphis + 1 over MIDDLE TENNESSEE Kansas State - 8 over UL LAFAYETTE




NFL SELECTION OF THE WEEK: HOUSTON - 4 ½ over N Y Jets - Jets begin season with rookie QB Mark Sanchez running the offense and rookie head coach Rex Ryan roaming the sidelines. Though Atlanta's Matt Ryan and Baltimore's Joe Flacco proved otherwise last season, rookie quarterbacks generally struggle. Houston starts the season with great expectations as both their offense and defense are maturing well. The Texans went 5-1 down the stretch last season to finish 8-8 after hurricane issues wreaked havoc with their early season schedule. They have an explosive offense and an improving defense that should play aggressively against the rookie QB. The Texans are 0-3 lifetime vs the Jets but this is both a new season and a new era. Houston takes the first step in showing they can indeed be a challenger for the Playoffs by defeating a team they should defeat. Houston wins 28-16.



Other Featured NFL Selections

Philadelphia - 1 over CAROLINA - Despite appearing in just one Super Bowl, under coach Andy Reid the Eagles have become an elite team, having now been to the Playoffs 7 times in the last 9 seasons, including 5 trips to the NFC Title game. NFC East teams have dominated fellow conference foes outside their Division in recent seasons. The Eagles are 24-12 ATS vs NFC teams outside the East since 2003, including 3 regular season wins and covers against Carolina. True, in 2003 the Panthers did knock Philly out of the Playoffs. Philly's defense should have success against aging Carolina QB Jake Delhomme while Eagle QB Donovan McNabb has added talent and depth at RB and WR. The Eagles have also excelled on the road with just one losing season away from home over the past 9 seasons. Philadelphia wins 26-17.



Dallas - 6 over TAMPA BAY - Dallas has the talent to still be playing in February. They enter this season without the burden of being Conference or even Division favorites. QB Tony Romo has plenty of supporting targets and may not miss T.O. as much as some expect. Owens dropped many a catchable pass in key spots last season. The defense has shown steady improvement the past two seasons. Tampa is a team in transition with a new coach. They just fired their offensive coordinator as training camp was winding down and they have issues at QB and an unsettled RB situation. The defense is aging and the Buccs allowed a half more yard per rush (4.3) last season than they did a season earlier. It's always tough to lay points on the road early in the season but the Cowboys have too many edges on both sides of the ball to ignore. They do have a tough home game against the Giants on deck so they cannot afford to give away a winnable game here against a team in transition at their most vulnerable time of the season. Dallas wins 24-13.



San Francisco + 6 ½ over ARIZONA - Arizona has a major edge at QB with Kurt Warner but the 49ers have the better rushing attack with Frank Gore. Both teams have defenses that are underrated as each has fared well vs the rush in recent seasons. Arizona could suffer Super Bowl letdown as many runnerups have over this decade. Niner coach Mike Singletary has infused his team with the mental toughness that made him such a great player in his days with the Bears . They made great strides after he took over in the middle of 2008. For the season the weak San Francisco offense improved 74 yards per game over 2007. These teams have generally played very competitive games over the years with 6 of the last 7 and 10 of 13 decided by a TD or less. We should see the line rise to a RD by kickoff and an outright upset would not surprise. San Francisco wins 27-24.



Best of the Rest (Recommendations) PITTSBURGH - 6 over Tennessee [1] Miami + 4 over ATLANTA
CINCINNATI - 4 ½ over Denver Washington + 6 ½ over N Y GIANTS
Chicago + 3 ½ over GREEN BAY NEW ENGLAND - 11 over Buffalo [4]




The Rest (Opinions) Kansas City + 13 over BALTIMORE Minnesota - 4 over CLEVELAND
Jacksonville + 7 over INDIANAPOLIS NEW ORLEANS - 13 over Detroit
SEATTLE - 8 ½ over St Louis San Diego - 9 ½ over OAKLAND [4]




[1] Thursday, September 10

[2] Friday, September 11

[3] at Seattle, WA

[4] Monday, September 14



Best of the NFL Totals (Recommendations) Tennessee/Pittsburgh OVER 35 Miami/Atlanta UNDER 43
Detroit/New Orleans OVER 48 ½ Dallas/Tampa Bay UNDER 39
San Francisco/Arizona OVER 46 Washington/N Y Giants UNDER 37 ½




Money Line Recommendations College CONNECTICUT Duke Louisiana Tech Air Force
Pro Miami Philadelphia Dallas Chicago




NOTE: All Selections are picked to win Against the Spread (ATS). Unless otherwise indicated, HOME TEAMS are in CAPS. NOTE: All material is presented as news matter only and is not to be used in violation of any federal, state or local law(s).
 

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all i have for them is cinnci and miami... which is pretty good (2-0)... so i was wondering if i could have all their pics... thanks!!!
 
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NORTHCOAST LAST WEEK.
I saved in a file the plays not the writteups, hope it helps.

(W) 4* Power Play-150 Michigan

(W) Underdog POW 196 Washington

(W) Economy Club Play 165 Baylor

(L) Big 12 POW 208 Colorado
 

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What was their record last year on *4 in the NCAAF as well as NFL? Also what was their record on their Underdog POW? Anybody know? TIA
 
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Side Play 4-Star Denver +3’ over CINCINNATI


Cincinnati won three in a row to end last season and that is inflating this line significantly. Also inflating the line here is the fact that the Broncos are projected to win only 6.5 games this season. Both of these reasons are faulty. Last season the Bengals beat the Redskins, Browns and Chiefs over their last three games to finish at 4-11-1 on the season. Washington had just dropped 4-of-5 and were off a tough road game vs the Ravens the previous week. The Browns had lost four straight and were off a Monday Night game vs the Eagles and they had a head coach that was on his way out. The Chiefs had lost three straight and were 1-10 their last 11 when they faced the Bengals in Cincinnati on the final week of the season. Clearly, Cincinnati’s three-game win streak is very suspect. To use a horse racing analogy, they “passed tiring horses.”Now let’s turn our attention to the Broncos low win total for this season.The Denver Broncos finished the 2008 season at 8-8Unfortnately for them this was good enough for second place in their division, which means that they drew the second place teams from the AFC East and AFC South as Wild Card opponents. Again, unfortunately for them, the Colts and Patriots finished in second place in their divisions in 2008, matching them up with the Broncos in 2009 and giving the Broncos a brutal schedule this season.The linesmakers have noticed, as their futures line is 6.5 wins for the season. If the Broncos don’t win seven games this season, it will be the first time since the turn of the century that they have done so. If their tough schedule means anything in THIS game, it will have them motivated for their first two games of the season, as they get the Bengals and Browns.We see very little reason for optimism for the Bengals this season. They have a head coach who has not had a winning season in three years, they lost their best receiver to free agency (apologies to Ocho-cinco). They have a center who will be making his first NFL start and have a weak running back squad.The only reason for any hope would be the return of Carson Palmer. This is a LOT of responsibility to put on a QB –especially one who is returning from injury.In 2008, Carson Palmer had a QB rating of 69 in the four games in which he appeared.The Bengals lost all four, although the competi-tion was pretty tough. Ryan Fitzpatrick, who filled in for Palmer in 2008, had a QB rating of 70 and was 4-3-1 over the last eight games of the season. The Bengals then let him go to the Bills as a free agent in the off-season. Chad Ochocinco had a terrible season in 2008. After 1369 and 1440 receiving yards 2006 and 2007 respectively, he dropped precipitously to 540 in 2008.The hype for the Bengals this season has no substance. The de-fensive coaches are high on pick-ups DB Roy Williams from Dallas and DTTank Johnson from the Bears. However, both of these players were released by their teams. Dallas releasedWilliams because he can’t cover anyone and the Bears released Johnson because of his off-field troubles. This hype is merely to sell tickets – and they need to sell tickets because their home opener isn’t sold out as of September 1st. Their fans aren’t buying the hype and neither a serious handicapper.The Shanahan era is over in Denver and young Josh McDaniels take the reins. He has been groomed for a head coaching position in the NFL his entire life. He is not under a lot of pressure to win this game, as he is a significant road dog. We expect his team will play tough and hard for him. The Broncos appeared to have been ready for a change at the head coach position, as Shanahan was burned out last season, and it started to show in 2007.This line has steamrolled out of control. The pundits are saying that the Broncos are in for a terrible season and some are even calling the Bengals a ”dark horse.” Don’t drink the Kool-Aid. Grab this 3’ and check out the price on the moneyline.

MTi’s FORECAST: Denver 17 CINCINNATI 16


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TOTAL PLAYS

3-Star Washington at NY Giants UNDER 37’ – The Redskins are 0-6 OU in their last six season openers,staying under byan average of 11.0 ppg. The average final score in these six games has been 13.3 to 13.0 ppg. We see no reason for this to change here.TheRedskinsare0-11-2OUasasingle-digitroaddogvsadivisional opponent when they face a non-divisional opponent next week. Last season, Washington was 0-5 OU in this situation, staying under by a whopping 15.2 ppg.More specifically, these two are 0-9 OU since 2000 in New York. Over the past four seasons, the Redskins have scored a total of six points in the second half vs the Giants in New York. It is also worth mentioning that the Redskins are 0-9 OU (-9.9 ppg) on the road vs a divisional opponent before playing at home.The re-signing of DeAngelo Hall and the big free-agent signing of Albert Haynesworth has demonstrated the Redskins’ commitment to defense this season. Take these two.

UNDER.MTi’s FORECAST: NY GIANTS 17 Washington 13
 
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AUBURN 41 - Mississippi State 13 - (7:00 EDT) -- Line opened at Auburn minus 15, and is now minus 14½.
That's right, the Tigers also graced this spot on LW's Red Sheet, with a solid 11-pt cover the
result. Check a resounding 37-13 rout, while amassing 556 yds (311-yd edge) vs a LaTech
team which returned 16 starters from its '08 bowl-winning squad. That's a far cry from a
year ago, when Auburn ranked 104th in the nation on offense. New HC Chizik, along with a
bevy of quality assistants has turned this normal power around. As we've written before: a
team on a mission. 'Dogs hardly the team to curb this momentum.
RATING: AUBURN 89

SO MISSISSIPPI 44 - Central Florida 17 - (7:00) -- Line opened at SoMiss minus 14, and is now minus 15.
Looks like the same old story for UCF, despite returning 10 offensive starters. Ranked as
the worst offensive team in the nation in '08, the Knights managed only 14 FDs & 282 total
yds last week, in barely getting by Samford, 28-24, at home, no less. Eagles also return a
batch of "O" starters (9), & nearly match that with 8 veterans on "O". Led Alcorn, 35-0 at the
half last week, & held a 398-62 RY edge at game's end. Six straight wins, five straight
covers, & check 41:56-18:04 time edge over Knights LY. Highly doable spread.
RATING: SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI 89

TEXAS TECH 55 - Rice 14 - (7:00) -- Line opened at TexasTech minus 25, and is now minus 27. Not the
best of openers for the Raiders, who would normally take no prisoners vs the likes of No
Dakota. But a 405-PY effort from new QB Potts is an indication that this latest Leach edition
has the potential to keep recent explosive efforts in tact. Owls were spectacular in '08,
ranking 10th in the land in scoring & total "O". But the departure of record-setting QB Clement
(44 TDs) puts too much pressure on newcomers. Cannot offset lacking "D".
RATING: TEXAS TECH 88

TENNESSEE 34 - Ucla 13 - (4:00) -- Line opened at Tennessee minus 10, and is now minus 8. As you know,
the Vols sat in this exact same position a week ago, & came through with a 63-7 romper over
lowly WesternKy (26-pt cover). Much like the Auburn Tigers above, who are in off a rare
down campaign, UT is under new leadership, with a renewed dedication. So scores to
settle, beginning with Bruins, who won in OT last year, so absolutely no peek ahead to new
week's game with Florida. Host team is 30-13 ATS in Bruin contests. Ditto.
RATING: TENNESSEE 88

East Carolina 26 - WEST VIRGINIA 20 - (3:30) -- Line opened at WestVirginia minus 7, and is now minus
6½. Here we go again. The Pirates have enjoyed superb success vs the Mounties in recent
years, smothering WVa's highly potent overland game, in the process. As we wrote earlier,
just 127, 153, & 179 RYs for Mounties in 3 of last 4 vs ECU (18, 3½, 28½ pt Pirate covers).
WVa is now without the blazing White at QB, & has yet to top 35 pts under Stewart, who
replaced Rodriguez LY. Call yet another series upset for the Pirates.
RATING: EAST CAROLINA 88

GREEN BAY 37 - Chicago 24 - (8:20 - NBC) -- Line opened at GreenBay minus 3, and is now minus 3½.
One of the most misleading records of LY, belonged to these Packers, whose 6-10 log
featured no less than a franchise-record 7 losses by 4 pts or less, while losing their final 5
games. Can't forget nearly making it to the Super Bowl just a year earlier, as well as the
development of Rodgers, who finished behind only Warner & Brees among NFC QBs (28
TDs & >4,000 yds). Took the Bears by 34 here LY, with a 200-yd edge. Cutler, of course, is
a decided improvement under center, for Chicago, but we'll give the TD spot.
RATING: GREEN BAY 88

NEAR CHOICES (Rated 87): SoCaro, Utah, IowaSt, Nebraska -- NFL: Bengals, Patriots, Chargers
LINE MOVES (from largest to smallest moves): Washington (-18 to -21); Tulsa (-14½ to -17½); Wake
Forest (Pick to -2½); LSU (-12 to -14½); KansasSt (5 to -7½); UCLA (+10 to +8); Texas Tech (-25 to -27);
BostonCollege (-25 to -27); WashSt (+3½ to +1½); SouthernCalifornia (-4½ to -6½); IowaSt (+8 to +6½);
Missouri (-16½ to -18) - NFL: Baltimore (-9 to -13); Philadelphia (+1 to -1); Dallas (-4 to -6); Sn Diego (-7½ to
-9½); Pittsburgh (-5 to -6); Cincinnati (-3½ to -4½); Seattle (-7½ to -8½) - TIME CHANGES: No changes thru
Wednesday - KEY INJURIES: Alabama RB Ingram (knee) probable; BYU RB Unga (hamstring) ??; Clemson
RB Spiller (hamstring) probable; Georgia OT Sturdivant (knee) out for season; Iowa RB Hampton (knee)
out for season; Kansas WR Briscoe (suspension) probable; Michigan RB Minor (ankle) probable; MississippiSt
RB Dixon (suspension) probable); Oklahoma QB Bradford (shoulder) out 2 to 4 weeks; Oregon RB Blount
(suspension) out for season; OregonSt QB Moevao (shoulder) doubtful; PennSt LB Bowman (ankle) ??;
SouthCarolina LB Paulk (knee) out for season; SoMississippi WR Brown (leg) ??; SoFlorida RB Ford (suspension)
doubtful; Toledo RB Williams (suspension) doubtful; Utah DE Misi (back) probable; Vanderbilt RB
Hawkins (foot) ??; VaTech RB Evans (ACL) out for season - NFL: Arizona WR Boldin (hamstring) ??; Atlanta
QB Ryan (Sickness) probable; Cincinnati QB Palmer (ankle) probable; Denver QB Orton (finger) probable;
Denver WR Marshall (suspension) probable; Houston QB Schaub (ankle) probable; Jacksonville RB Jones-
Drew (ankle) probable; KC QB Cassel (knee) doubtful; NwEngland QB Brady (shoulder) probable; NewOrleans
RB Thomas (knee) ??; StLouis QB Bulger (finger) probable...
 
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College Football

Clemson (+5) over @Georgia Tech

East Carolina (+6½) over @West Virginia

Marshall (+19) over Virginia Tech

@Northwestern (-18½) over Eastern Michigan

@Michigan (+3) over Notre Dame

NFL

Detroit (+13) over @New Orleans

Jaguars (+7½) over @Colts

Cowboys (-6) over @Buccaneers

Cowboys @Bucs UNDER 39

Bears@Packers OVER 46
 
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RECORD
NFL - 2-0
NCAAF - 4-2

308 W Virgina

318 Iowa St

340 Michigan

347 TCU

353 A Force

375 Ohio St

NFL
457 Eagles

465 Jags

467 Lions

476 S'hawks
 
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This is the record on Nothcoast Last Year

WIN - LOSS - DRAW - UNITS - % - BANK

NFL season-2008 37 27 2 43-37 58% $230

NFL playoffs-2008 4 6 0 4-6 40% $260

CFB season-2008 75 73 1 99-99 54% $990

Bowl Games-2008 18 8 0 18-8 69% $920
 

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ya that helps! thanks!!! just to confirm... those are Northcoast POWER PLAYS?! its so hard to keep track of his picks because he does come out with so many of them and has lots of different service packs...
 
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I can't tell you for sure if those are the Power Plays but taking a good guess,,, may be, since each play has the title Power Play, POW and Economy.
You're right, somebody last week in this forum was complaining about it, since he found around 20 plays on Northcoast just for the weekend.
The site where i'm getting it, also keeps record on each handicapper's service, so if you want to know any record of last year, just let me know.
GL.
 

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who do they keep track of? i mean if they do the big guys and do it right then maybe i dont need to keep doing this... or do i?
the good info to get from last year would be who did well so we can track them this year and see if its true and also maybe weight their pics a little more
 
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Double check the info and i found this.
The record is ONLY for the plays posted, so it's NOT accurate,
because some times they don't post anything.
Plus there is a combo of paid plays and Bonus Plays.
Well,,, about the handicappers and services, I counted 188, of course big guys, medium, small,,,,, all of them i guess!!!!!
Just a fair opinion, keep doing it my friend.
GL.
 

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