New Jersey wants to take bets ASAP

[Tacopants]

My guess is the leagues will go after William Hill


Section 3702. Unlawful sports gambling
It shall be unlawful for -
(1) a governmental entity to sponsor, operate, advertise, promote, license, or authorize by law or compact, or
(2) a person to sponsor, operate, advertise, or promote, pursuant to the law or compact of a governmental entity,
a lottery, sweepstakes, or other betting, gambling, or wagering scheme based, directly or indirectly (through the use of
geographical references or otherwise), on one or more competitive games in which amateur or professional athletes participate, or are intended to participate, or on one or more performances of such athletes in such games.

Section 3703. Injunctions
A civil action to enjoin a violation of section 3702 may be commenced in an appropriate district court of the United States by the Attorney General of the United States, or by a professional sports organization or amateur sports organization whose competitive game is alleged to be the basis of such violation.

Yeah but who is going to enforce it? The FBI? the US Marshals? Don't think the public will want it federal taxpayers being spent on enforcement of gambling at legit casinos with Ebola, ISIS and other serious issues going on.

Marijuana is still a schedule narcotic but you don't see DEA agents raiding marijuana cafés in Colorado or Washington state. I think the casinos should just go ahead with it. The Feds have bigger fish to fry and I think the public realizes that gambling is gambling. It is hard to justify lotteries, horse racing, craps, and poker but not sports. No not sports, that's the devils gambling. I just don't see the public getting behind this at all.

If it is legal in NJ, isn't also legal to gamble online on NJ? Wouldn't the same apply for sports gambling? Also isn't Sheldon Adelson spending millions to try and kill internet gambling? You know what else Adelson spent millions on? Trying to unseat Obama. How hard do you think Obama's DOJ is going to try and push back on the casinos so Adelson can make millions more. I suspect Adelson and most likely Wynn, who I don't think currently have pieces of NJ gaming, are against sports gambling in NJ. Do you think those 2 are going to get any support from the current administration?

 

[jensinc]

Yeah but who is going to enforce it? The FBI? the US Marshals? Don't think the public will want it federal taxpayers being spent on enforcement of gambling at legit casinos with Ebola, ISIS and other serious issues going on.

Marijuana is still a schedule narcotic but you don't see DEA agents raiding marijuana cafés in Colorado or Washington state. I think the casinos should just go ahead with it. The Feds have bigger fish to fry and I think the public realizes that gambling is gambling. It is hard to justify lotteries, horse racing, craps, and poker but not sports. No not sports, that's the devils gambling. I just don't see the public getting behind this at all.

If it is legal in NJ, isn't also legal to gamble online on NJ? Wouldn't the same apply for sports gambling? Also isn't Sheldon Adelson spending millions to try and kill internet gambling? You know what else Adelson spent millions on? Trying to unseat Obama. How hard do you think Obama's DOJ is going to try and push back on the casinos so Adelson can make millions more. I suspect Adelson and most likely Wynn, who I don't think currently have pieces of NJ gaming, are against sports gambling in NJ. Do you think those 2 are going to get any support from the current administration?

A civil action to enjoin a violation of section 3702 may be commenced in an appropriate district court of the United States by the Attorney General of the United States, or by a professional sports organization or amateur sports organization whose competitive game is alleged to be the basis of such violation.

 

[Tacopants]

A civil action to enjoin a violation of section 3702 may be commenced in an appropriate district court of the United States by the Attorney General of the United States, or by a professional sports organization or amateur sports organization whose competitive game is alleged to be the basis of such violation.

But again, who do you think is going to enforce any action in this case if the casinos start taking bets? Do you think US Marshals show up at the casino windows to stop bets if NJ state law makes it legal? The FBI?

It is no different than Marijuana in Colorado or Washington with respect to the DOJ and DEA agents. The federal courts and Congress say marijuana is a schedule 1 narcotic yet the Feds are not spending one dime enforcing federal law in those states. The DEA legally could raid every pot shop in Colorado tomorrow and go to US District Court but they don't. The same thing is going to happen with regards to sports gambling. If the state wants it, the state is eventually going to get it, and there will be no political will by the Feds to enforce federal law.

The NFL and NCAA can cry all they want, but they are eventually going to lose. They remind me of these fools still fighting to ban gay marriage in states, they cannot see the writing on the wall, they are wasting their resources and are eventually going to lose.

 

[jensinc]

@SenatorLesniak · 3h3 hours ago

NFL et al filed a complaint to stop sports betting in NJ hypocrisy continues but it's their last hurrah

 

[jimmythegreek]

Senator Ray Lesniak @SenatorLesniak · 4m 4 minutes ago
Injunction hearing tomorrow 3:30 pm. How can the leagues show irreparable damage while Las Vegas is taking sports bets?

 

[Redagger029]

Very little to do with the law. All about greasing the right palms.

 

[Akillies]

if the leagues, nfl, nba, mlb,,,, filing the motion to stop gambling in nj actually cared about the integrity of their sport they would be supporting the legalization of sports gambling. how could having gambling continue unregulated possibly be of less risk to their integrity than legal sports wagering

 

[vitterd]

This. Forget about the games this weekend, the Harvin trade, or anything else, THIS is the biggest story in the NFL this week. If they are not able to stop it before it starts at Monmouth, the Floodgates are open.

I have mixed feelings. I want legalize sports betting but want atl city to die out. They ripped off customers for years....horrible with comps...even for heavy bettors. Now they aint the only game in town and the casinos are closing. Fuck that asshole trump.

I don't think nj will win this in the long run. They might not be able to stop in this weekend with an injuction but I think nfl and ncaa have a win in long run. Max bet 100 dollars.....acebb gotta get to piggy bank.

 

[The Guesser]

I have mixed feelings. I want legalize sports betting but want atl city to die out. They ripped off customers for years....horrible with comps...even for heavy bettors. Now they aint the only game in town and the casinos are closing. Fuck that asshole trump.

I don't think nj will win this in the long run. They might not be able to stop in this weekend with an injuction but I think nfl and ncaa have a win in long run. Max bet 100 dollars.....acebb gotta get to piggy bank.

They did that for a reason. The Leagues are trying to show there will be irreparable harm to allowing betting, that somehow big $$$ gamblers will fix the games. Like akilles says, the exact opposite is true, but the ignorant and uninformed think it's true. But if they don't allow big bets, it takes away the league's argument.
AC is and will be a shithole with or without sportsbetting. It'll die out when/if sportsbetting is allowed all over NJ, and eventually everywhere. The Meadowlands is the Home Run for Jersey, until NY allows it at Aqueduct and Yonkers.

 

[doubledeuce22]

For the first time... I actually think NJ taking sports bets will happen...

 

[JackStraw77]

Today's ruling will actually be a landmark decision. I feel the judge is going to rule in the league's favor. Why wouldn't Delaware which is only permitted to do parlay betting protest or try to do the same thing that NJ would be allowed to do. Delaware Park is already up and running and they would love to have full fledged sports betting. They don't want to lose the players that come down there to put in parlays to NJ. The Supreme Court has to hear this case and finally resolve it one way or another. They declined before but now with the tactic NJ has taken it deserves a hearing before the highest court.

 

[doubledeuce22]

http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?...top&rand=ref~{"ref":"http://t.co/niDTWVcTTi"}


New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie signed legislation Friday that partially repealed the state's sports betting ban. The new law allows sports betting at casinos and racetracks, which are licensed by the state. Monmouth Park, one New Jersey's oldest thoroughbred tracks, is planning to offer sports betting on Sunday, unless a court order stops it.


By limiting sports betting to casinos and racetracks, attorneys for the sports leagues say the state is in violation of the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA), the 22-year-old federal ban on state-sponsored sports betting.


According to paperwork filed in U.S. District Court on Monday, the leagues view the latest bill as "in clear and flagrant violation of federal law -- to accomplish what it unsuccessfully attempted to do three years ago: sponsor, operate, advertise, promote, license or authorize gambling on amateur and professional sports at state-licensed casinos and horse racetracks. Because this effort is no more lawful than New Jersey's past ones, it, too, should be enjoined."


Major League Baseball, the NBA and the NHL are also part of the complaint. It is scheduled to be considered by a judge Tuesday afternoon in Trenton, Dennis Drazin, an adviser to Monmouth Park's operators, told NJ.com. But as of late Monday night, the case court docket had not been updated with confirmation of the hearing.


New Jersey State Sen. Raymond Lesniak says it's a state's right, under general police powers, to restrict where an activity can take place.


The leagues will have to prove immediate and irreparable harm will come from Monmouth Park taking bets on their games Sunday in order to be granted the injunction.


A similar legal situation occurred in 1976, when the NFL unsuccessfully attempted to get a restraining order to prevent Delaware from offering a lottery based on league games. U.S. District Judge Walter K. Stapleton denied the league's request, stating that he found "no threat of immediate irreparable injury to the NFL."


Some had questioned whether the NBA would remain in the case, since commissioner Adam Silver has said that his league will be open to "participating" in legalized sports betting.


Currently, Nevada is the only state allowed to offer single-game sports wagers. Delaware, Oregon and Montana may offer variations of sports betting.


Lesniak, the state's most outspoken proponent of legalized sports betting, is confident that New Jersey ultimately will prevail.


"It's the leagues' last hurrah to perpetuate their stranglehold over sports betting which they condone and exploit for their own benefit," Lesniak said of the leagues' latest legal challenge.


William Hill U.S. has signed on to be the sports betting provider for Monmouth Park, but declined to comment when asked if they would be running the sports book Sunday. Dennis Drazin, a New Jersey attorney and legal adviser for the track, told ESPN that Monmouth Park will be operating the sports book Sunday, unless the leagues are granted the injunction.

 

[doubledeuce22]

Today's ruling will actually be a landmark decision. I feel the judge is going to rule in the league's favor. Why wouldn't Delaware which is only permitted to do parlay betting protest or try to do the same thing that NJ would be allowed to do. Delaware Park is already up and running and they would love to have full fledged sports betting. They don't want to lose the players that come down there to put in parlays to NJ. The Supreme Court has to hear this case and finally resolve it one way or another. They declined before but now with the tactic NJ has taken it deserves a hearing before the highest court.

If the judge is ruling in good faith ... How can he possibly side with the leagues? But I know what you're saying..

 

[Shub]

How can a league that doesn't pay taxes have any say in what our government does?

 

[BigAltheShoeman]

A judge is scheduled to consider the injunction Tuesday afternoon in Trenton.

State officials say they have found a loophole.

In 2011, New Jerseyans voted to legalize sports betting.
The sports leagues sued, fearing that sports betting would hurt the integrity of their games.

A federal judge ruled in favor of the leagues and issued an injunction preventing implementation of the law.

The state appealed, and an appellate court upheld the ruling but noted that nothing prevented the state from repealing its own ban on sports betting.

Now the state is using that language as the basis for the new law, saying the federal ban prohibits only states from sanctioning betting.

Thus, under the law, betting in New Jersey would not be regulated or licensed by the state, but private companies would be allowed to run it.

But in the court papers, the leagues argue that repealing those laws is "nothing more than a de facto authorization of sports gambling."

For a judge to grant the injunction, the leagues will have to prove there will be immediate and irreparable harm from bets being placed at Monmouth Park this weekend.

State Sen. Raymond Lenisak (D-Union) — the lawmaker who has led the push for New Jersey to legalize sports betting
— said he doesn't believe the judge will find that to be the case.

 

[slapshot]

I thought the NBA said they wanted it or they only want it if they can get some type of rake off every bet


Irreparable harm people might think the games aren't rigged

 

[BigAltheShoeman]

A judge is scheduled to consider the injunction Tuesday afternoon in Trenton.

For a judge to grant the injunction, the leagues will have to prove there will be immediate and irreparable harm from bets being placed at Monmouth Park this weekend.

State Sen. Raymond Lenisak (D-Union) — the lawmaker who has led the push for New Jersey to legalize sports betting
— said he doesn't believe the judge will find that to be the case.

U.S. District Court Judge Michael Shipp is expected to hear the complaint pleadings and rule on the temporary restraining order by the end of the week. A Tuesday conference was postponed.

 

[Tacopants]

http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11733844&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FniDTWVcTTi%22%7D


New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie signed legislation Friday that partially repealed the state's sports betting ban. The new law allows sports betting at casinos and racetracks, which are licensed by the state. Monmouth Park, one New Jersey's oldest thoroughbred tracks, is planning to offer sports betting on Sunday, unless a court order stops it.


By limiting sports betting to casinos and racetracks, attorneys for the sports leagues say the state is in violation of the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA), the 22-year-old federal ban on state-sponsored sports betting.


According to paperwork filed in U.S. District Court on Monday, the leagues view the latest bill as "in clear and flagrant violation of federal law -- to accomplish what it unsuccessfully attempted to do three years ago: sponsor, operate, advertise, promote, license or authorize gambling on amateur and professional sports at state-licensed casinos and horse racetracks. Because this effort is no more lawful than New Jersey's past ones, it, too, should be enjoined.".

Marijuana use in Colorado and Washington State is in clear violation of federal law also but the DOJ is doing nothing about it. NJ should start taking bets and force the DOJs hand. Again, is the taxpayer going to want to see FBI agents and US Marshals arresting legit casino and racetrack owners? I don't think it will and I don't think the DOJ has the time, effort or the political will to fight this issue.

With technology and transportation these days how does accepting bets in Nj irreparably damage the leagues? So if I want to fix a game and pays players millions to bet tens of millions I cannot pay for a $500 flight to Vegas or some other foreign country to place the bet. No, I am too scared to fly and just wait until they make it legal in NJ then I will start fixing games. The leagues argument does not make any sense in 2014, maybe it did in 1962.

Let us be 100% honest! the only way this is an issue is because the Nevada political machine, including Senate majority leader Harry Reid, will fight this tooth and nail behind the scenes but cannot publicly say this. All this does is keep some more jobs physically in the state of Nevada, that's it. Again, look at marijuana and Colorado. The DOJ is doing nothing and that is even with nowhere to legally smoke before Colorado voted for it. In this case, you already have legal precedent for the case as it is perfectly legal to bet on sports in Nevada. Restricting sports gambling to one state in this day and age is foolhardy and the leagues will eventually lose.

Don't see why they are spending millions fighting this when they are going to lose in the end. The writing is on the wall just like slavery, women's voting rights, bi-racial marriages, same sex marriages, gays in the military and marijuana legalization, it is going to happen, so why not be on the right side of history?

 

[JackStraw77]

U.S. District Court Judge Michael Shipp is expected to hear the complaint pleadings and rule on the temporary restraining order by the end of the week. A Tuesday conference was postponed.

It's going to be a last minute thing. This way it ties Monmouth Park's hands. The Feds want to create confusion and the track won't know how many employees they will need for Sunday.

 

[packer2012]

Yea, but they can string this out a little longer if this guy Shipp is too big a puss to even let the thing come to court.