need advice. unique league - keeper, ppr, wit 2 rb 2 wr 2 flex

[The Sports Scientist]

League scoring is unique. It is a PPR. Also there are bonuses for long TDs. 33 yard or less TD is 6 pts. 34-66 yards is 6 pts. 67+ yard TD is 12 pts.
Also odd roster setup. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, K, DST.

I get to carry over 2 players from last season. The only 3 I am considering are

QB Rivers (obviously keeping)
RB Benson
TE Clark

Assuming Benson are Clark are healthy going in (we draft just before regular season), I am leaning Clark here.
Due to the fact that it is PPR and there are long TD bonuses, it seems that WR should be weighted more heavily here when I draft the rest of my team. However I know that WR position is much much deeper than RB.
Ideally I would have a RB who also catches a lot of passes, like Mccoy.
Benson looks great in preseason thus far but I am afraid the Bengals will put up very few points this season. Teams that can't score TDs obviously have FF players that suffer. Having said that Benson should be the primary weapon for CIN.

The usual suspects are all being kept. Top tier QBs RBs and WRs. 24 players in total will be kept. I can provide a projected list if requested (projected because at this point we have not yet selected who we will keep but it is pretty obvious in most cases).

Open to any thoughts & suggestions...thanks!

 

[HacheMan]

Definitely agree with keeping Dallas Clark.

What position do you draft?

 

[Nick.Papagiorgio]

i never do well in ppr or keeper leagues

 

[The Sports Scientist]

Definitely agree with keeping Dallas Clark.

What position do you draft?

draft order hasnt been set yet.

i think clark is more valuable but RB seems very thin with all the guys splitting carries in the NFL these days

 

[TheCommish]

draft order hasnt been set yet.

i think clark is more valuable but RB seems very thin with all the guys splitting carries in the NFL these days

Definately Clark over Benson. I would not keep either myself. Benson is, well, Benson and play for what may be the worst team in the NFL. Now to Clark, he has been Peyton's safety valve for years but not anymore. Clark is coming off a season ending injury last year and the Colts have a great crop of young talent at WR and Clark will not be as heavily favored as he was in the past as these other WR are well capable of getting open and making plays. Clark also see a lot of double teams now as he is expected to be the go to guy on 3rd and 6, etc. Next you have Peyton, who had offseason neck surgery. He has not yet reported to camp as active ready to get reps in and what is Peyton the Colts offense based on?....Timing. You can't just roll into camp a week from the first game and expect that timing to just be there, it will not happen. Not in the NFL. I have had Clark for 2 years and he is still one of the Top 5 TE's in my book but is a TE worth a 2 round pick, I am assuming your league uses the 2 keeper spots as your 1st and 2nd picks as most keeper leagues do. I would much rather have the chance to pick someone fresh off the board and maybe scoop Clark up in a later round than to spend that keeper pick on him with all the adversity stacked up against him. Just one mans opinion. My League has the same sort of set up so I would roll the dice and try to improve my team in a different direction.

 

[Jstack34]

Definately Clark over Benson. I would not keep either myself. Benson is, well, Benson and play for what may be the worst team in the NFL. Now to Clark, he has been Peyton's safety valve for years but not anymore. Clark is coming off a season ending injury last year and the Colts have a great crop of young talent at WR and Clark will not be as heavily favored as he was in the past as these other WR are well capable of getting open and making plays. Clark also see a lot of double teams now as he is expected to be the go to guy on 3rd and 6, etc. Next you have Peyton, who had offseason neck surgery. He has not yet reported to camp as active ready to get reps in and what is Peyton the Colts offense based on?....Timing. You can't just roll into camp a week from the first game and expect that timing to just be there, it will not happen. Not in the NFL. I have had Clark for 2 years and he is still one of the Top 5 TE's in my book but is a TE worth a 2 round pick, I am assuming your league uses the 2 keeper spots as your 1st and 2nd picks as most keeper leagues do. I would much rather have the chance to pick someone fresh off the board and maybe scoop Clark up in a later round than to spend that keeper pick on him with all the adversity stacked up against him. Just one mans opinion. My League has the same sort of set up so I would roll the dice and try to improve my team in a different direction.

I think the timing is still there as they have played together for numerous years. Also a lot of those other wideouts tend to get hurt quite often. But the injuries are a concern, but i think you are wrong in assuming keepers make you give up your 1st two picks. I think the standard is that you lose the pick in the round that you selected those players. Thats how most leagues i know do it

 

[The Sports Scientist]

If you dont like keeping either Dallas or Benson, the only other reasonable options are Tolbert, Brandon Lloyd, and Garcon (who I think will have a big season actually)

 

[The Sports Scientist]

I think the timing is still there as they have played together for numerous years. Also a lot of those other wideouts tend to get hurt quite often. But the injuries are a concern, but i think you are wrong in assuming keepers make you give up your 1st two picks. I think the standard is that you lose the pick in the round that you selected those players. Thats how most leagues i know do it

True. I gain nothing by only keeping one player.

I am not at all expecting mannings absence to hurt the regular season. This happened before when he had the knee drained and I think he was an MVP that season.
However, Clark has a decent chance of reinjuring that wrist. If he is really going to be double teamed this is obviously a concern. (not sure how this could realistically happen with all the receivers the colts will have out there)
I did not see Clark play in the game vs. Rams. Dont think he suited up.
Also TE is not a required position in my league, as stated in OP. 2 Flex spots and you can use a TE in one or both if you wish.

 

[TheCommish]

I think the timing is still there as they have played together for numerous years. Also a lot of those other wideouts tend to get hurt quite often. But the injuries are a concern, but i think you are wrong in assuming keepers make you give up your 1st two picks. I think the standard is that you lose the pick in the round that you selected those players. Thats how most leagues i know do it

Ok, misunderstanding on my part of the way the draft will be held. I still think Benson is a bust pick.

 

[The Sports Scientist]

Ok, misunderstanding on my part of the way the draft will be held. I still think Benson is a bust pick.

would you take clark or one of the other guys i listed?

the commish has requsted everyone post their keeper selections. only a few guys have done this so far. when everyone has i will update this thread to give everyone an idea of the depth or lack thereof of certain positions in our league.

draft order is tentatively set as the opposite of last years. this gives me the 9th pick in 1st round. snake draft of course. i actually like this position because it gives me the 4th pick in the second round to draft a certain player i have my eye on for future value. in our league you cant keep a 1st round pick, but you can keep a guy you draft 2nd round onward or get off the wire.

 

[lax_gunman]

I def would not take Benson. Last year his ypc was one of the worst in the league and I don't see that improving. I like Lloyd as long as Tebow stays on the sidelines, but I haven't heard the latest from Denver.
Lloyd and Clark are both being drafted around the fourth round. So their value seems to be about the same. If you think WR's carry more value in your league, well maybe you should keep Lloyd.

The more I think about it, I would keep Clark just because he has Manning. But it is close IMO, and you could go either way. Both TE and WR are pretty deep positions.

 

[Jstack34]

Yea i would put some serious consideration into Lloyd--he has big play potential as well which is meaningful in your league-he had 4 tds of 40-50 yards which is worth extra points. I think its a toss-up between Clark and Lloyd and Clark is the slightly more safe option

 

[The Sports Scientist]

now that the media generated qb controversy is apparently over with in denver, im loving brandon lloyd again. will wait and see what happens with dallas clark and manning though. i still got about a week and a half before i have to decide.

 

[TheCommish]

now that the media generated qb controversy is apparently over with in denver, im loving brandon lloyd again. will wait and see what happens with dallas clark and manning though. i still got about a week and a half before i have to decide.

Hopefully Lloyd will be what he was last year. The new coach in Denver is not as apt to air it out like McDaniels was. Fox is more of a pound the roc type coach.

 

[The Sports Scientist]

Hopefully Lloyd will be what he was last year. The new coach in Denver is not as apt to air it out like McDaniels was. Fox is more of a pound the roc type coach.

Yeah id rather McDaniels be calling plays still, but even with a run oriented coach, the difference in % of run vs pass is pretty marginal. They will still have to throw it.
Orton confirmed starting qb. Good news for Lloyds FF chances. Clark played one series in PS week 2. He is wearing a black wrap on his wrist. He looked very cautious when carrying the ball; even his blocks looked weak. Still have one more week of games before I decide.
The only other guy even worth considering is Garcon, and with the way the colts are gonna be spreading it around between the 4 or 5 legit WRs + Clark, and Denver only really looking at Lloyd and Royal as premier targets, Lloyd seems like a no brainer at this point.

 

[The Sports Scientist]

I might be in a situation where I have to keep Benson because so many RBs are going to be kept by other players (remember 2 keepers per team). If i do keep benson I will def try to draft Scott as a handcuff.

Heres the breakdown for the league-
RBs who will be available for sure:
S Jax
Ryan Matthews
Mendenhall
McCoy
Ryan Grant
Pierre Thomas
Jamaal Charles
Hillis
Tim Hightower
Forte
Beanie Wells

these will be available beacuse they were first round draft picks. 1st round picks in our league cannot be kept.

these are RBs who have been declared as kept for next season:
Blount
Rice
Peterson
Foster
Chris Johnson


The rest of the teams who have not declared keepers, I am speculating on who they are keeping in terms of RBs but I am probably close to accurate as some are obvious:
Felix Jones
McFadden
possibly Moreno
Frank Gore
Bradshaw
Turner
MJD
possibly Shonn Greene
Green Ellis
possibly Best

so as you can see most of the viable RBs are spoken for, and there is a minimum requirement of 2 RBs per roster

In current NFL climate a lead RB who gets the lions share of touches is a bit of a rare thing. Here is a list of them according to yours truly. Those who are available or will be available are bolded.
McCoy
Hightower (though his status as lead back could change any minute mr. shanahan)
Felix Jones (unsure if available)
Jahvid Best (unsure if avail.)
Ryan Grant (not really a lock for lead back status)
Peterson
Blount
Forte (like Grant, not a lock)
Turner
S Jax (now will be sharing more carries)
Gore
Beanie Wells
Green Ellis
Shonn Greene (likely will be kept)
Ray Rice
Mendenhall
Benson
Hillis
Foster
MJD
Chris Johnson
J Charles

So in summary there are likely 10-12 true bankable RBs available, barring injury, among 12 teams, and I should try and get 2 of them.

Probably should keep Benson eh? The alternative is keep Lloyd, Clark, or Garcon, and none of those 3 is really irreplaceable in terms of what they will score points wise IMO. WR is ridiculously deep.
Then theres always the possibilty Benson takes a bit of a back seat to Scott this season, which would be terrible for me, and also means I would have to reach a round or 2 to pick up Scott for handcuff.
RBs are going to be the first off the board in the draft, of course, aside from the very elite available WR like Roddy White. Something else to consider.

 

[lax_gunman]

I would easily still keep Lloyd or Clark...how much time do u have between draft and when players have to be declared?

 

[The Sports Scientist]

I would easily still keep Lloyd or Clark...how much time do u have between draft and when players have to be declared?

Theres not really a firm deadline. Draft is on Sept 7 IIRC.
Benson actually looked really good in 2 out of 3 preseason games. But so did his backup.
Clark might be done in terms of fantasy relevancy. He looks terrible. Hes not even blocking well.
Lloyd looks about 5 years younger than he actually is. But there are a lot of guys I can get in the draft that will give me similar #s at WR.
Wont know my draft position until 24 hrs? before draft. Its on CBS. I think its 24 or 48 hrs when randomized. If I knew I had a top 3 pick I could bank on a Mendenhall or Mccoy.

 

[The Sports Scientist]

Fantasy Football Breaking News


Cedric Benson: Cedric Benson likely to avoid suspension
Cedric Benson - RB - CIN - Aug. 29 - 11:03 pm et
According to Bengals.com, Cedric Benson is not expected to miss any regular season time after pleading no contest to assault Monday.
With the way the NFL has treated arrests that occurred during the lockout so far, this was pretty much expected. Benson should be available for all 16 games this season, assuming good health. The 2011 Rotoworld Draft Guide projects him for 291 carries and 21 receptions, but just 3.70 yards per rushing attempt. Aug. 29 - 11:03 pm et

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...news.asp?sport=NFL&id=3139&line=210925&spln=1

Cincinnati Bengals team report: Benson reports to jail to start sentence

RB Cedric Benson didn’t want to wait until the bye week to serve his jail sentence for a 2010 assault charge in Austin, Texas.

Benson, who was already ruled out of Thursday’s preseason finale against Indianapolis after missing three practices, reported to Travis County jail late Tuesday to begin serving his sentence. With good behavior credits, he is expected to be released by next Tuesday, which would be in time to return to Cincinnati as the Bengals begin practices for the Sept. 11 ope



Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ports-to-jail-to-start-sentence#ixzz1WfDRYKTW

Glad I have the option of waiting essentially til the last minute to declare my keepers. Benson is looking quick and very healthy this preseason, but, as a repeat offender, I wouldn't but it past Goodell to make him sit a couple games

 

[The Sports Scientist]

Looks like I have the 3rd pick (of 12). I'm guessing Mendenhall will be first off the board. Mccoy possibly 2nd. Without seeing the actual available players (admin hasnt done keepers yet) I'm thinking it will come down to Jamal Charles, McCoy or Calvin Johnson for me at 3rd. Thoughts?
Probably keeping Benson unelss he gets handed a suspension in the next 6 days.
Minimum requirement 2 RBs, once again the format is QB , RB , RB , WR , WR, RB/WR/TE, RB/WR/TE, K, DST