Its funny how people blast someone like Cox who at least has the ability to get lessor talanted teams into the playoffs while other managers cant do the same. Its a great accomplishment to win 14 division titles no matter what happens the rest of the year.
The NL EAST has been overall a great division during that time. And when the Braves were in the NL WEST at the beginning of the 14 year run, that was also a great division.
Does everyone remember the year that the Braves won 104 and the Giants won 102 in the same division before the wild card? The Braves beat out a 100 win team to win in 93.
The East has been home to 3 World Series Champs during that run, more than any other division in baseball other than the AL East. Also many many world series appearances from the East. Flordia twice, Mets once, Braves 4 times. What more do you want.
During all these years that the Braves lost in the playoffs, how many times can you honestly say that the Braves lost to the lesser team?
I can think of maybe twice on all those years. There is no shame in losing to a better team.
As far as the other question on who should Bobby Cox use, the answer is simple ANYONE!!!!!!!!!. Devine, Villarheal, Sosa, Remlinger, Rameriz. Anyone of those guys would do a better job.
The NL EAST has been overall a great division during that time. And when the Braves were in the NL WEST at the beginning of the 14 year run, that was also a great division.
Does everyone remember the year that the Braves won 104 and the Giants won 102 in the same division before the wild card? The Braves beat out a 100 win team to win in 93.
The East has been home to 3 World Series Champs during that run, more than any other division in baseball other than the AL East. Also many many world series appearances from the East. Flordia twice, Mets once, Braves 4 times. What more do you want.
During all these years that the Braves lost in the playoffs, how many times can you honestly say that the Braves lost to the lesser team?
I can think of maybe twice on all those years. There is no shame in losing to a better team.
As far as the other question on who should Bobby Cox use, the answer is simple ANYONE!!!!!!!!!. Devine, Villarheal, Sosa, Remlinger, Rameriz. Anyone of those guys would do a better job.
edmac164 said:
The Mets havent been a good team for a long time. I never said the Mets could play ATL in the World Series. Who cares about 14 straight division wins? Lets talk about the 13 years of playoff hard core choke jobs. It's like the Meet the fockers movie where Gaylord's family has all his 5th place awards on the wall. The World Series champ is the only number one team in the league. Everyone that goes to the playoffs and doesn't win are just pretenders. Last year the Padres were in the playoffs last season but everyone knows they were like the 10th best team in the league. Getting all excited because your team can only with Division Titles is pathetic. The Mets have been horrible but yet in the past 40 years the Mets have won one more World Series title then the Braves.
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Degenerate said:When Gagne comes back and if he pitches well I am sure the Dodgers will be more than willing to give you that bum Baez.
Dodgers won't leave themselves exposed like that. Gagne has had two elbow surgeries in the past two years. He is destined for a third.
raiderhater said:
I'm not gonna spend all night rehashing those games but I will point out that you're full of it regarding Wohlers. Go to Retrosheet and check out the play-by-play for that game. Wohlers came into the game in the 8th. He gave up a squibber down the 3rd base line to Hayes that Chipper thought might go foul, but it didn't. Strawberry got a single next. Duncan then hit a double play grounder that ATL flubbed, only getting the out at second. Leyritz then went yard when Wohlers inexplicably threw consecutive off speed pitches for pretty much the only time that postseason. So to recap, there was no real reason for Cox to pull Wohlers. He hadn't thrown many pitches and had simply been unlucky in the inning. Wohlers just fucked up when he threw that second curve. And that's the way the cookie crumbles, players make plays (or don't), and win and lose games. Managers rarely have much to do with it.
And I'll also point out that in Game 7 of the '91 Series Lonnie Smith stopped at second when he lost track of Pendleton's double. 999 times out of 1000 that doesn't happen and he scores the go ahead run, and that game doesn't go into extra innings and no one even remembers what happened in game 6.
fhmesq44 said:
Just understand that none of those surgeries were Tommy John. He had two explatory surgeries, one to move a nerve to a new location, and the 2nd to remove that same nerve. Hardly "career" threatening, but surgeries none the less. He had knee surgery two years ago after compensating for his first elbow nerve issue.
Hobbes said:
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. Your post is full of woulda, coulda, shouldas. I remember the Leyritz at bat very well, Leyritz was very late on Wohler's fast ball, and you're right, he threw a horseshit breaking ball on the dinger. But when baserunners get on, for some pitchers it doesn't matter how they got there, the pitcher has a brain fart. I could see the Wohlers looked shaky and was screaming "get him out! get him out!" and sure enough, game tying dinger. He was such a head case I don't think he was ever the same pitcher after that. You blithely ignored Cox' gallatic fuckup in the decisive inning of the Yankee game, and I didn't mention a single syllable about Game 7 of '91. I know all about Lonnie Smith blunder, unfortunately for you and the Braves, he DIDN'T score the good ahead run, and people DO remember what happened in Game Six-as well they should.
raiderhater said:
Whatever, your argument now is that Cox should have been as psychic as you and realized that Leyritz was about to go yard, despite the fact Wohlers hadn't thrown many pitches and hadn't been hit hard up to that point. If only managers had your crystal ball they could avoid all these mistakes. Typical BS superiority complex from the local couch jockey. You're a tool, welcome to my ignore list.
Hobbes said:
I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight knowing I'm on your ignore list. Try to improve your reading skills, I never said I knew Leyritz was going to go yard, I said that I was yelling for Numbnuts to be removed because he was pitching like shit and he quickly justifed my concerns. And let me hear you defend walking Bernie intentionally with runners or first and second, not to mention letting a rusty stiff pitch with the bases loaded and the game on the line.
