My Final Predictions

[Romanowski]

good to see you posting

I agree they are entertaining

 

[festeringZit]

you are ill informed if you really believe people worship a "devil"

Matthew 4:

<sup id="en-NIV-23211" class="versenum" value="1">1</sup>Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. <sup id="en-NIV-23212" class="versenum" value="2">2</sup>After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. <sup id="en-NIV-23213" class="versenum" value="3">3</sup>The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread." <sup id="en-NIV-23214" class="versenum" value="4">4</sup>Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-23214a" title="See footnote a">a</a>]">[a]</sup>"
<sup id="en-NIV-23215" class="versenum" value="5">5</sup>Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. <sup id="en-NIV-23216" class="versenum" value="6">6</sup>"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:
" 'He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-23216b" title="See footnote b">b</a>]">[b]</sup>"
<sup id="en-NIV-23217" class="versenum" value="7">7</sup>Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-23217c" title="See footnote c">c</a>]">[c]</sup>"
<sup id="en-NIV-23218" class="versenum" value="8">8</sup>Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. <sup id="en-NIV-23219" class="versenum" value="9">9</sup>"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
<sup id="en-NIV-23220" class="versenum" value="10">10</sup>Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'<sup class="footnote" value="[<a href="#fen-NIV-23220d" title="See footnote d">d</a>]">[d]</sup>"
<sup id="en-NIV-23221" class="versenum" value="11">11</sup>Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

 

[BASEHEAD]

For those of you hoping 2009 is your year to wrastle the KOTY award from TR.....youre sadly mistaken IMHO.

 

[Romanowski]

zit what does a quote of scripture prove? show me these people who literally worship satan ( the christian satan)

no offense but I know of the scriptures

there is a church of satan in los angeles who doesnt worship the same satan in christian scripture

they worship self indulgence, among other things, but nothing spooky like that.

They do put on a show mainly to mock christianity and other religions, with an altar and so forth, its just a show

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

Rski, this forum isn't what it used to be, but there are still some laughs and knowledge to be gained reading it.

Basehead, I agree it's always coin flip with these two, but TR is ahead in early polling.

However, if he's proven correct, none of us will be around to vote and determine the 09 winner.

What I find unusual is the time TR created this thread. Seems more fitting during the 2-6am looney time than dinner time.

 

[RupertPupkin]

rookie? i guarantee you I have studied all forms of all sorts of "worship" a hell of a lot more then you have

I dont know where you learned then its my way or the highway, but somewhere along the way you learned wrong

you are ghetto friend, and your opinions are old spiritualism, old thoughts, and old school ignorant bullshit

there is no dualism, there is only god, that is a basic principle really no religion has a grasp on but Judaism.

So while you are afraid, I know that everythjing in the universe is meant to be there., Everything.

I understand you claim to be a gnostic, lol, if you truly were you wouldnt have the perspectives you have on the world.

You are spiritually inept, and empty

Not only is every one of your empty theories false, but is its total conjecture.

There is always some truth mixed in to your madness but overall a total retard.

You are not deep, good luck

From Pick of Destiny ...( pretty "deep" movie imo)

Open Mic Host: [comforting Tenacious D] You guys, having some satanic guitar pick isn't gonna make your rock any better... because Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here
[taps their chests]
Open Mic Host: in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's what makes us want to party and have sex with each other all night long. He's that little voice in your mind that says "Fuck you" to the people you hate. Now you can stay out here and fight on the ground and cry like babies, or you can go in there like friends and rock. So, what's it gonna be?

 

[festeringZit]

zit what does a quote of scripture prove? show me these people who literally worship satan ( the christian satan)

no offense but I know of the scriptures

there is a church of satan in los angeles who doesnt worship the same satan in christian scripture

they worship self indulgence, among other things, but nothing spooky like that.

They do put on a show mainly to mock christianity and other religions, with an altar and so forth, its just a show

The quote showed that if you believe the Bible, Satan desires to be
worshiped and acts to try and get worshiped.

I believe that Satan is deceptive, and many people worship him indirectly by living selfish hedonistic lives. Are there people that actively,
purposefully worship Satan? I've never met any, I'm sure there
are some.

 

[Romanowski]

From Pick of Destiny ...( pretty "deep" movie imo)

Open Mic Host: [comforting Tenacious D] You guys, having some satanic guitar pick isn't gonna make your rock any better... because Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here
[taps their chests]
Open Mic Host: in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's what makes us want to party and have sex with each other all night long. He's that little voice in your mind that says "Fuck you" to the people you hate. Now you can stay out here and fight on the ground and cry like babies, or you can go in there like friends and rock. So, what's it gonna be?

precisely

and great point, never seen the movie but exactly my point

 

[Romanowski]

The quote showed that if you believe the Bible, Satan desires to be
worshiped and acts to try and get worshiped.

I believe that Satan is deceptive, and many people worship him indirectly by living selfish hedonistic lives. Are there people that actively,
purposefully worship Satan? I've never met any, I'm sure there
are some.

Satan doesnt exist friend, that is my belief, for one. Not in the way you are expressing it.

Do worshippers exist who worship this devil, as you see it? No, if there are they are teens just experimenting with garbage.

Quotation:


"You cannot love everyone; it is ridiculous to think you can. If you love everyone and everything you lose your natural powers of selection and wind up being a pretty poor judge of character and quality. If anything is used too freely it loses its true meaning. Therefore, the Satanist believes you should love strongly and completely those who deserve your love, but never turn the other cheek to your enemy!" Anton LaVey


Overview:

Religious Satanism is a valid religion, generally followed by adults. It is essentially unrelated to teen Satanic dabbling and to various other beliefs and practices that have been described as Satanism.

The largest of the many traditions within Religious Satanism is the Church of Satan (CoS), which some people believe was founded on Walpurgisnacht, 1966-APR-30, (I Anno Satanas) by Anton Szandor LaVey (1930-1997). It was actually founded later that year.

The CoS, shares one property of the Church of Scientology: it is so controversial that many versions of "the truth" have sprung up over the years. It is impossible to separate reality from fake history. The following essay is our best shot at describing CoS history.

The beliefs, practices and rituals of the Church of Satan have few, if any, points of similarity with the Christian or Muslim concept of Satan. The CoS' Satan is pre-Christian, and derived from the Pagan image of power, virility, sexuality and sensuality. Satan is viewed as a force of nature, not a living quasi-deity. Their Satan has nothing to do with Hell, demons, pitchforks, sadistic torture, demonic possession, and profound evil. There are references in LaVey' writings to having conducted a few Black Masses for publicity purposes, in which the Roman Catholic Mass was ridiculed.

Some of their beliefs and practices are:

They do not worship a living deity.

Major emphasis is placed on the power and authority of the individual Satanist, rather than on a god or goddess.

They believe that "no redeemer liveth" - that each person is their own redeemer, fully responsible for the direction of their own life.

"Satanism respects and exalts life. Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious..." 2

http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis1.htm


You cannot be a true Christian until you truly understand Judaism.

the Hebrew scriptures explicitly declare that the Almighty Himself places both the good and the evil that He created before mankind in order to provide His prime creation with free will. Deuteronomy 30:15 states,

See, I [God] have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil.

In Isaiah 45:7, the prophet describes God's creation plan when he reports that,

I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.

I did not invent these verses, nor did I tamper with them. In fact, the Bible I used in the above quotations is the King James Version, which is a translation that could hardly be construed as friendly to the Jewish faith.

These edifying verses underscore the fundamental biblical teaching that it is the perfect spiritual balance of good and evil in the world that confronts every searching soul. This is the Almighty's divine sovereign plan for creation: It is through man's personal decision to turn away from evil and choose good that virtue can be attained.

Isaiah 45:7 and Deuteronomy 30:15, however, pose a serious theological problem for Christians who maintain that God did not create Satan, the angel of evil. According to Christian doctrine, Satan was the highest-ranking angel who, through his own act of spiritual defiance and outright disobedience, became the chief adversary and slanderer of God and the embodiment of evil in this world. In Christian theology God never created evil; He is only the author of righteousness and perfection, as you maintained in your question. Therefore, God could never create something as sinister as the devil himself. Rather, Satan's unyielding wickedness is the result of his own spiritual rebellion.

Although this well-known Christian doctrine has much in common with the pagan Zoroastrian Persian dualism out of which it was born, it is completely alien to the teachings of the Jewish faith and the words of the Jewish scriptures. In fact, the Christian teaching that Satan was originally intended by God to be a good angel but, in an act of outright defiance, ceased to function as God had intended him to, suggests that God created something imperfect or defective.

For the Jewish faith, Satan's purpose in seducing man away from God poses no problem because Satan is only an agent of God. As a servant of the Almighty, Satan faithfully carries out the divine will of his Creator as he does in all his tasks.

Satan is one of the many angels mentioned in the Bible. It is worth noting that the Hebrew word for angel is malach, meaning "messenger." The same is true for the English word angel, derived from the Greek word angelos, which also means "messenger." Throughout the Bible, an angel is a messenger of God who carries out the divine will of the Almighty. There is not one example in the Jewish scriptures where any angel, Satan included, opposes God's will.

In no part of the Bible is this more evident than in the Book of Job. In the first chapter of Job, Satan appears with other angels before God and suggests that Job's steadfast faithfulness would not withstand personal pain and utter destitution. Satan then requests from God the chance to test Job's virtue. The Almighty grants this request, but He meticulously outlines for Satan what he may and may not do when putting Job to the test. Satan obediently follows his Creator's instructions. Job is immediately put to the test and, by the third chapter, begins to struggle. He questions his Maker as to why he was created and, in a moment of despair, wishes aloud that he had perished in his mother's womb. Still, by the end of this unparalleled biblical narrative, Job's virtue prevails over Satan's unyielding torment.

While in Christian terms Job's personal spiritual triumph is a theological impossibility, in Jewish terms it stands out as the embodiment of God's salvation program for mankind. In Deuteronomy 30:15, the Torah attests to this principle and in Isaiah 45:7, the prophet echoes this message when he declares that the Almighty Himself creates evil.

This biblical principle, however, was apparently too problematic for the Christian translators of the NIV Bible (New International Version). They clearly recognized that a Bible which asserts that God creates evil calls into question one of Christendom's most cherished teachings on salvation. How can the church insist that man is totally depraved when his God placed him in a world where he is free to choose good over evil? How can the church hold to a doctrine of election or predestination when free will is man's to express? How can Christians maintain that God did not create evil when the Jewish scriptures clearly state otherwise?

Understandably, the NIV translators saw fit to alter the prophet's words by rendering the offensive Hebrew word rah as "disaster" instead of correctly translating it as "bad" or "evil." The NIV Bible therefore mistranslates Isaiah 45:7 to read,

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.

The word "disaster" inserted by the NIV is so ambiguous that the uninformed reader would easily come to the conclusion that it refers to such things as earthquakes and hurricanes. This skewed understanding created by the NIV mistranslation effectively conceals Isaiah's original message. As mentioned above, the KJV (King James Version) does correctly translate this verse and render the Hebrew word rah as "evil."

One final point is in order here. Christians often point to Isaiah 14:12 as a biblical reference to support their teachings of the final and complete downfall of Satan which brings to an end the long and otherwise successful career of this fallen angel. They argue that Isaiah's mention of the fallen "morning star" refers to Satan's ultimate demise at the end of time when Satan will finally be cast into a lake of fire as articulated in the twentieth chapter of the Book of Revelation.

There are, however, two serious problems with this assertion. First, if Christians maintain that the "morning star" is a reference to Satan, how do they explain Revelation 22:16 where Jesus is called the "morning star" as well? Secondly, a cursory reading of the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah reveals that the "morning star" spoken of in Isaiah 14:12 is referring to Nebuchadnessar, the wicked King of Babylon, and not to Satan. In 14:4 the prophet explicitly names the king of Babylon as the subject of the prophecy.

That thou shall take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased, the golden city ceased!

Throughout this chapter and the preceding chapter of Isaiah, the prophet foretells the rise and fall of this arrogant king who would use his unbridled power to plunder Jerusalem and destroy its Temple but, at the end, would suffer a cataclysmic downfall. In 14:12 Nebuchadnezzar is compared to the planet Venus whose light is still visible in the morning yet vanishes with the rise of the sun. Like the light of Venus, Nebuchadnezzar's reign shone brilliantly for a short time, yet, as the prophets foretold, was eventually overshadowed by the nation of Israel whose light endured and outlived this arrogant nation who tormented and exiled her.

Yours,

Rabbi Tovia Singer

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/satan.html

Here is a basic yet complex problem you must ask yourself.

Is god omnipotent, infinite knowledge? If your answer is yes

then there is no mistakes, and satan, what came of the light bearer, Lucifer, is no mistake.

 

[HatTrick]

rookie? i guarantee you I have studied all forms of all sorts of "worship" a hell of a lot more then you have

I dont know where you learned then its my way or the highway, but somewhere along the way you learned wrong

you are ghetto friend, and your opinions are old spiritualism, old thoughts, and old school ignorant bullshit

there is no dualism, there is only god, that is a basic principle really no religion has a grasp on but Judaism.

So while you are afraid, I know that everythjing in the universe is meant to be there., Everything.

I understand you claim to be a gnostic, lol, if you truly were you wouldnt have the perspectives you have on the world.

You are spiritually inept, and empty

Not only is every one of your empty theories false, but is its total conjecture.

There is always some truth mixed in to your madness but overall a total retard.

You are not deep, good luck

daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn Loren! You just done got yo'self serveddddddddddddd.
Romo just stuck you so deep. @)

 

[festeringZit]

Romanowski, you said:

"there is no dualism, there is only god, that is a basic principle really no religion has a grasp on but Judaism."

You are misinformed about the nature and definition of dualism
if you believe this to be true.

Both Christianity and Judaism have the same world-view on dualism.

That is: There is only one God, but there exists a devil called Satan.
This devil is subject to God, and is governed by God. See the book
of Job.

 

[Romanowski]

refer back to post 30 and good luck proving me wrong

there is no dualism in judiasm, there exists a satan

but he is in the end not an equal adversary, nor a ruler of the material world, he is only a servant of god.

 

[festeringZit]

refer back to post 30 and good luck proving me wrong

there is no dualism in judiasm, there exists a satan

but he is in the end not an equal adversary, nor a ruler of the material world, he is only a servant of god.

I agree with that point, what I'm saying is that Christianity has the
exact same view.

There is no dualism in Judaism or Christianity.

But you said no religion has a grasp on it but Judaism, that is where
you are wrong.

 

[Romanowski]

Ok but the NT mentions "Satan" many more times then in the OT

it seems Jews arent "afraid" of satan as much as christians have been led to be

just my take

 

[festeringZit]

Ok but the NT mentions "Satan" many more times then in the OT

it seems Jews arent "afraid" of satan as much as christians have been led to be

just my take

Agreed.

 

[Loren78]

Nice job Loren.

It looks like you really ruffled some feathers with the rookie comment.

Although, religion has been his area of expertise at this forum

You managed to entice Romanowski into typing a greater than the patented Romanowski single line post ended with lol or haha.

Additionally, it has been duly noted that he even used capital letters and some punctuation.

Here's an official lol, in case he forgets again with his next post. :lolBIG:

This forum would be alot less entertaining without Loren and TR.

LOL.....Thats because he has let Loren rent space in his Mind..you see its ego vs Truth....ROMO needs to learn that he can't win that battle...no matter what he does....I Own this board..and he paying me rent...

 

[Loren78]

And more thing...Satan is Saturn.....6th planet from the Sun....The God EL...God of This Earth....Screw dualism...Until you get familiar with the Brotherhood....you might as well stay on ignore...lol

 

[Loren78]

From Pick of Destiny ...( pretty "deep" movie imo)

Open Mic Host: [comforting Tenacious D] You guys, having some satanic guitar pick isn't gonna make your rock any better... because Satan's not in a guitar pick, he's inside all of us. In here
[taps their chests]
Open Mic Host: in your hearts. He's what makes us not want to go to work, or exercise, or tell the truth. He's what makes us want to party and have sex with each other all night long. He's that little voice in your mind that says "Fuck you" to the people you hate. Now you can stay out here and fight on the ground and cry like babies, or you can go in there like friends and rock. So, what's it gonna be?

That Spirit...That Energy...at least that is what "They" believe...

 

[Romanowski]

youre a clown dude, I dont take you seriously

nobody does

I will school you on any and all mystery orders and schools

Like I said youre ghetto, low IQ, and a paranoid low life, you are an outsider,

no brotherhood but the ghetto and youre bunk theories trying to explain why youre life sucks

 

[Romanowski]

And more thing...Satan is Saturn.....6th planet from the Sun....The God EL...God of This Earth....Screw dualism...Until you get familiar with the Brotherhood....you might as well stay on ignore...lol

wrong, keep trying