Bird was drafted before McHale and it wasn't via trade. Red used his pick (something like 8th overall) to draft Bird after his Junior year even though he wasn't coming out. Back then you could draft 4th year juniors who stayed in school and retain their rights for a year. He basically drafted him knowing he wouldn't have him until the following season.
Cam Neely Trade
Barry Pedersen from Boston to Vancouver for Cam Neely and Vancouver's First Round Draft Pick in 1987 Draft. That pick turned out to be Glen Wesley.
Subsequently, Wesley was signed to an Offer Sheet by Hartford, but since they already had an offer outstanding, the Offer Sheet became a trade of three First Round Draft Picks (1995, 1996, 1997) in exchange for Wesley. Those picks turned into Kyle McLaren, Jonathan Aitken and Sergei Samsonov.
Barry Pedersen was essentially a point-a-game scorer for Vancouver for a couple of years and played in Vancouver for three and a half seasons, was traded to Pittsburgh for one and half seasons, and played his last year in Hartford and Boston.
Barry Pedersen from Boston to Vancouver for Cam Neely and Vancouver's First Round Draft Pick in 1987 Draft. That pick turned out to be Glen Wesley.
Subsequently, Wesley was signed to an Offer Sheet by Hartford, but since they already had an offer outstanding, the Offer Sheet became a trade of three First Round Draft Picks (1995, 1996, 1997) in exchange for Wesley. Those picks turned into Kyle McLaren, Jonathan Aitken and Sergei Samsonov.
Barry Pedersen was essentially a point-a-game scorer for Vancouver for a couple of years and played in Vancouver for three and a half seasons, was traded to Pittsburgh for one and half seasons, and played his last year in Hartford and Boston.
Cubs sent Lou Brock to Cards for Ernie Broglio in 1964.
After Brock was traded to the Cardinals, his career turned around significantly. He moved to left field and batted .348 and stole 38 bases for the Cardinals in the remainder of the 1964 season.
The Cardinals would win the 1964 World Series helped in part by Brock's bat. Meanwhile, Ernie Broglio won only seven games for the Chicago Cubs and retired from baseball after the 1966 season. To this day, the Brock for Broglio trade is considered by Cubs' fans to be the worst in franchise history.
During his career, Brock helped the Cardinals to National League pennants in 1964, 1967, and 1968 and to World Series championships in 1964 and 1967, defeating the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox, and losing in seven games to the 1968 Detroit Tigers.
Career highlights and awards:
6x All-Star selection (1967, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1979)
2x World Series champion (1964, 1967)
1967 Babe Ruth Award
1975 Roberto Clemente Award
1977 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1979 NL Comeback Player of the Year
1979 Hutch Award
St. Louis Cardinals #20 retired
Member of the National
Baseball Hall of Fame elected 1985
Vote 79.75%
Ernie Broglio - 7 career wins after trade.:drink:
wil.
After Brock was traded to the Cardinals, his career turned around significantly. He moved to left field and batted .348 and stole 38 bases for the Cardinals in the remainder of the 1964 season.
The Cardinals would win the 1964 World Series helped in part by Brock's bat. Meanwhile, Ernie Broglio won only seven games for the Chicago Cubs and retired from baseball after the 1966 season. To this day, the Brock for Broglio trade is considered by Cubs' fans to be the worst in franchise history.
During his career, Brock helped the Cardinals to National League pennants in 1964, 1967, and 1968 and to World Series championships in 1964 and 1967, defeating the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox, and losing in seven games to the 1968 Detroit Tigers.
Career highlights and awards:
6x All-Star selection (1967, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1979)
2x World Series champion (1964, 1967)
1967 Babe Ruth Award
1975 Roberto Clemente Award
1977 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1979 NL Comeback Player of the Year
1979 Hutch Award
St. Louis Cardinals #20 retired
Member of the National
Baseball Hall of Fame elected 1985
Vote 79.75%
Ernie Broglio - 7 career wins after trade.:drink:
wil.
How about Seattle sending Mark Langston to the Expos for three pitchers:
Gene Harris
Brian Holman (gave the M's some good years)
And a 6-10 wild lefty by the name of Randy Johnson
Mariner fans thought management were out of their minds.
Langston ended up with the Angels and was the losing pitcher against the M's in a 1-game playoff when Luis Sojo hit a bases loaded double that turned into 4 runs.
Gene Harris
Brian Holman (gave the M's some good years)
And a 6-10 wild lefty by the name of Randy Johnson
Mariner fans thought management were out of their minds.
Langston ended up with the Angels and was the losing pitcher against the M's in a 1-game playoff when Luis Sojo hit a bases loaded double that turned into 4 runs.
Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas I think it was 1967.
The worst trade in BB History player for player, was Don Hurst for Dolph Camilli. They were both first Basemen & both 26 yrs old.
Before the trade Don Hurst had 110 HR's for Philadelphia & Philadelphia with Hurst, O'Doul & Klein became the first team to have 3 30 Homerun hitters on the same team.
Before the trade Dolph Camilli hit 5 or 6 HR's for the Cubs
After the trade Hurst played 1 year for the Cubs & hit 5 HRS then retired
After the trade Dolph Camilli hit 235 HR's mainly for the Phillies & Dodgers. Led the Dodgers to the pennant in 1941 was MVP and HR leader with 34.
I guess one was a late bloomer & one was an early bloomer.
The worst trade in BB History player for player, was Don Hurst for Dolph Camilli. They were both first Basemen & both 26 yrs old.
Before the trade Don Hurst had 110 HR's for Philadelphia & Philadelphia with Hurst, O'Doul & Klein became the first team to have 3 30 Homerun hitters on the same team.
Before the trade Dolph Camilli hit 5 or 6 HR's for the Cubs
After the trade Hurst played 1 year for the Cubs & hit 5 HRS then retired
After the trade Dolph Camilli hit 235 HR's mainly for the Phillies & Dodgers. Led the Dodgers to the pennant in 1941 was MVP and HR leader with 34.
I guess one was a late bloomer & one was an early bloomer.
Jim Edmonds for Adam Kennedy and Kent Bottenfield comes to mind first. Cardinals got some of the best years out of Edmonds for a guy who had a career year the year before and Kennedy who played well for them but not nearly the impact Jimmy had.
At first seemed like the Shanahan for Pronger trade the Blues made was crazy but guess that turned out ok. Never should have traded Pronger after that.
At first seemed like the Shanahan for Pronger trade the Blues made was crazy but guess that turned out ok. Never should have traded Pronger after that.
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50 year anniversary of trade and cubs still sucking on balls
John Lowe's Past Time: Exciting Lou Brock helped create this baseball fan
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The Cardinals' Lou Brock is tagged out at home plate by Bill Freehan of the Tigers in the fifth inning of Game 5 of the 1968 World Series at Tiger Stadium. / DFP file photo
In 1964, I arrived in St. Louis.
So did Lou Brock.
That combination made me a baseball fan.
Fifty years ago today — June 15, 1964 — the St. Louis Cardinals traded for Brock. He was about to turn 25, an outfielder with speed but a .257 career average.
The Cardinals obtained him from the Cubs in a six-player deal. The key piece they gave up was right-hander Ernie Broglio, 28, an established starter.
The Cardinals sought Brock to enliven their offense. They had a losing record and were 6½ games out of first place in the National League (and a game behind the Cubs). This was before division play and the league playoffs, when the regular-season league winner went straight to the World Series.
With the Cardinals, Brock immediately emerged as a force, the missing piece. In his 3½ months with St. Louis in ’64, Brock hit .348 with a slew of extra-base hits and 33 steals. The Cardinals made a run for the pennant. My parents — who weren’t big baseball fans before we moved that year to St. Louis — took notice, thanks to Harry Caray.
In the 1950s and 1960s with the Cardinals, Caray was one of the greatest baseball radio announcers ever. For my parents, as for folks throughout the Midwest, it was irresistible to hear Caray describe how Brock led the Cardinals down the stretch. Both were kings of excitement
.The ’64 Cardinals had a chance because the Phillies, after being 6½ games up with two weeks left, lost 10 straight, the final three in St. Louis. The Cardinals had to beat the visiting Mets on the final day to clinch the pennant. They led by a run in the sixth when Brock batted with the bases empty.
Caray described what happened on the next two pitches:
“A line-drive base hit into left-center, he might be able to get a double out of it. He’s around first, he’s going to try for the second . . . He is safe. . . Here now is Bill White . . . There’s a drive, way back! It might be! It could be! It is! A home run! Listen to the crowd!”
With those hits, Brock and White clinched the pennant. Then the Cardinals beat the Yankees in the World Series.
Now my parents were fans. A few years later, when I first became aware of baseball, Caray’s broadcasts were on every night at home.
Then there was the awe of going all the way downtown, walking up the ramps at the Cardinals’ huge new stadium, and seeing my first big-league games as the Cardinals played in their gleaming red-and-white uniforms. Now I was a fan.
Brock entered the life of Tigers fans in the Cardinals-Tigers World Series in 1968. He tried to score standing up in Game 5 and was tagged by catcher Bill Freehan for the out that turned around the World Series.
You play enough World Series games, you’ll probably visit the wrong side of history. Yet Brock remains one of the best World Series players ever. He hit .464 against the Tigers in ’68 with 24 total bases, one short of the World Series record. For his 21 career World Series games, all with the Cardinals, he batted .391.
Brock remains the only player to steal seven bases in a World Series, and he did so twice. Seven is also how many games Broglio won in his Cubs career; Brock-for-Broglio is one of the most one-sided trades
in baseball history.Brock finished with 3,023 regular-season hits and 938 steals, the all-time record until Rickey Henderson broke it. He made the Hall of Fame the first year he was eligible.
Several years later at Cooperstown, I approached Brock as he was leaving the stage with his fellow Hall of Famers after the annual induction ceremony. I introduced myself and had time to tell him one thing. I said, “You are still the most exciting
player I’ve ever seen.”Contact John Lowe: jlowe@freepress.com . Follow him on Twitter @freeptigers .
The Ricky Williams Trade (1999 & 2000 NFL Drafts)
It has been widely accepted that Mike Ditka screwed over the Saints in trading for Ricky Williams. Maybe not as much as Gregg Williams, but that is still to be seen. It was a marriage that was doomed from the beginning.
Anyways, the trade was a blockbuster.
Washington Received
Pick #12 (Rd. 1) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #71 (Rd. 3) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #106 (Rd. 4) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #144 (Rd. 5) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #179 (Rd. 6) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #218 (Rd. 7) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #2 (Rd. 1) in the 2000 NFL Draft
Pick #64 (Rd. 3) in the 2000 NFL Draft
New Orleans Received
Pick #5 (Rd.1) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Obviously, with their pick New Orleans selected Ricky Williams. At which point Ditka probably went home, had a few drinks, rubbed his Super Bowl rings and quietly regretted his decision. They had no more selections the rest of the way.
The Redskins, now with enough picks to potentially start a dynasty, decided to blow up their entire plan and trade up to the #7 pick (Rd. 1), which was owned by the Bears. They traded picks #12, #71, #106, #144 and the #87 pick (Rd. 3) in the 2000 NFL Draft to trade up five spots. With this selection, the drafted Champ Bailey. The Bears used their selections to draft (in order): Cade McNown, D’Wayne Bates, Warrick Holdman, Khari Samuel and Dustin Lyman.
Continuing the trading trend, the Redskins traded the other two picks in the 1999 draft received in the Ricky Williams trade (#179 and #218) to move up 14 spots to the #165, originally owned by the Denver Broncos. With their new selection, the Redskins drafted Derek Smith (the Tackle out of Virginia Tech, not to be confused with Derek Smith the linebacker they drafted out of Arizona State two years earlier). The Broncos used their picks to draft Desmond Clark and Billy Miller, respectively.
The following year, upon realizing that maybe, just maybe, trading six of their eight bonus picks for two picks was a bad idea, the Redskins drafted LaVar Arrington with the 2nd overall pick and Lloyd Harrison with the 64th overall pick.
Here is where everyone fell after the dust settled:
Washington Received
Champ Bailey
Derek Smith
LaVar Arrington
Lloyd Harrison
New Orleans Received
Ricky Williams
Now, as I have been leaning all along, I think that New Orleans is the clear loser here. You do not, under any circumstance, trade that many picks for one player. They should have taken the Herschel Walker trade to the Vikings as a warning.
The bigger issue is, I can’t really name the Redskins the winners. They had eight picks, and used them to draft four players. Of those four players, two of them were complete busts. Of the other two, they played for the Redskins a COMBINED nine seasons. Sure, Bailey is one of the best defensive backs to play in the NFL since Deion Sanders. But, since the Redskins whiffed on drafted a reasonable team for him to play on, he threatened to hold out unless he was traded.
The unseen part here is that the biggest losers in all of this might have been the Chicago Bears, who used the five picks from the Redskins to draft nobody of real significance.
All in all, this trade was a bust for all parties involved. If I had to grade it, I would give the Bears an F, the Saints a D (despite the situation it put their team in, it did give them one of the best running backs to come out of the draft in a long time) and both the Broncos and Redskins a C- (the Broncos drafted two tight ends who were both off of the team within two years). For everyone involved, it would have been better if this trade had never happened.
It has been widely accepted that Mike Ditka screwed over the Saints in trading for Ricky Williams. Maybe not as much as Gregg Williams, but that is still to be seen. It was a marriage that was doomed from the beginning.
Anyways, the trade was a blockbuster.
Washington Received
Pick #12 (Rd. 1) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #71 (Rd. 3) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #106 (Rd. 4) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #144 (Rd. 5) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #179 (Rd. 6) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #218 (Rd. 7) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Pick #2 (Rd. 1) in the 2000 NFL Draft
Pick #64 (Rd. 3) in the 2000 NFL Draft
New Orleans Received
Pick #5 (Rd.1) in the 1999 NFL Draft
Obviously, with their pick New Orleans selected Ricky Williams. At which point Ditka probably went home, had a few drinks, rubbed his Super Bowl rings and quietly regretted his decision. They had no more selections the rest of the way.
The Redskins, now with enough picks to potentially start a dynasty, decided to blow up their entire plan and trade up to the #7 pick (Rd. 1), which was owned by the Bears. They traded picks #12, #71, #106, #144 and the #87 pick (Rd. 3) in the 2000 NFL Draft to trade up five spots. With this selection, the drafted Champ Bailey. The Bears used their selections to draft (in order): Cade McNown, D’Wayne Bates, Warrick Holdman, Khari Samuel and Dustin Lyman.
Continuing the trading trend, the Redskins traded the other two picks in the 1999 draft received in the Ricky Williams trade (#179 and #218) to move up 14 spots to the #165, originally owned by the Denver Broncos. With their new selection, the Redskins drafted Derek Smith (the Tackle out of Virginia Tech, not to be confused with Derek Smith the linebacker they drafted out of Arizona State two years earlier). The Broncos used their picks to draft Desmond Clark and Billy Miller, respectively.
The following year, upon realizing that maybe, just maybe, trading six of their eight bonus picks for two picks was a bad idea, the Redskins drafted LaVar Arrington with the 2nd overall pick and Lloyd Harrison with the 64th overall pick.
Here is where everyone fell after the dust settled:
Washington Received
Champ Bailey
Derek Smith
LaVar Arrington
Lloyd Harrison
New Orleans Received
Ricky Williams
Now, as I have been leaning all along, I think that New Orleans is the clear loser here. You do not, under any circumstance, trade that many picks for one player. They should have taken the Herschel Walker trade to the Vikings as a warning.
The bigger issue is, I can’t really name the Redskins the winners. They had eight picks, and used them to draft four players. Of those four players, two of them were complete busts. Of the other two, they played for the Redskins a COMBINED nine seasons. Sure, Bailey is one of the best defensive backs to play in the NFL since Deion Sanders. But, since the Redskins whiffed on drafted a reasonable team for him to play on, he threatened to hold out unless he was traded.
The unseen part here is that the biggest losers in all of this might have been the Chicago Bears, who used the five picks from the Redskins to draft nobody of real significance.
All in all, this trade was a bust for all parties involved. If I had to grade it, I would give the Bears an F, the Saints a D (despite the situation it put their team in, it did give them one of the best running backs to come out of the draft in a long time) and both the Broncos and Redskins a C- (the Broncos drafted two tight ends who were both off of the team within two years). For everyone involved, it would have been better if this trade had never happened.
The Redskins trading 3 first round picks (high picks) for a below average quarterback who wont even be a starter in 3 years. Might as well just signed Vick if you are into that type.
Colts trading for Richardson was pointless especially when they may have the worst secondary in the NFL. They only made the trade because Vick Ballard who was in the neighborhood of a 7th round pick got injured last year. He is a running back; they are a dime a dozen. Amazing they went 11-5 last year. I think at 1 point, half of their offense was on IR.
Kawhi Leonard for George Hill was bad. Hill maybe one of the 5 worst point guards in the NBA regarding starters.
Colts trading for Richardson was pointless especially when they may have the worst secondary in the NFL. They only made the trade because Vick Ballard who was in the neighborhood of a 7th round pick got injured last year. He is a running back; they are a dime a dozen. Amazing they went 11-5 last year. I think at 1 point, half of their offense was on IR.
Kawhi Leonard for George Hill was bad. Hill maybe one of the 5 worst point guards in the NBA regarding starters.
