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[PatPatriot]

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Badges? We don't need no stinking badges.
posted December 06, 2003 05:15 PM
There have been a shitload of people killed in the name of Christianity.
Posts: 1951 | Registered: June 25, 2001


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There have been a hell of a lot more saved, by christianity.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> always suspected it, but now I know. Patriot you are just yanking people's chains in here trying to get a reaction. Suggesting that the US should nuke middle-Eastern countries is too over-the-top even for you. You're busted, buddy - that last post just gave you away.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'd rather see them nuke that whole area then to see 1 US Service man get a hang nail over there....If not, we should get out...By the way if the terrorist had that option,they'd use it in a yak fart.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Since Bin Laden was trained by the CIA to help oust the Russians from Afghanistan, then can you not also concede that the US is also a breeding ground for terrorism? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The enemy of my enemy is my freind...fortunatley or unfortunatley there are 100's if situations where this has come up.Look at WW2.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I hate to burst your ignorant bubble but god knows it needs it. A "christian" constitution? Don't make me laugh. Those "ignorant savages" you are so fond of, i.e. the Iriquois nations, essentially had a constitutional government upon which the founding fathers modeled ours.

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. Missionaries and Native Americans.

Before Indians were running casinos and selling cigarettes tax-free in North America, they were a stone-age people before the "pale face" came. They had not learned to domesticate animals, they had no written language, they used only stone tools and they had not even yet invented the wheel.

They had never seen a horse, a metal knife, a cart or a plow.

They also commonly practiced slavery, genocide and cannibalism against other tribes. No matter how many times you watch "Dances with Wolves" and "Pocahontas," it will not change these facts. The vast majority of Missionaries wanted to spread the gospel of Christ and raise these new converts out of their stone-age way of life. What should they have done? Ignore them?
....By the way why don't you give me your money, because it say In God we Trust...It dosen't say in Hillary we trust...Look outside the supreme court building..it has a referance to god.
Anybody that trys to compare Christianity to Islam on some sort of equel scale to the benifits and progress and regress of mankind is misguided, and misinformed.

 

[xpanda]

Hitler, as a Christian, doesn't count because he didn't conduct the Holocaust (where he slaughters millions of Jews ... hmmmm) with a banner over his head shouting 'In the Name of Christ!' But nations where the citizenry is mainly Christian stop his bloodbath and suddenly it's more evidence for you that Christianity has a calming influence?? I don't recall the allies carrying any kind of banner, either. You can't have it both ways.

Your ability to form an argument is barely worthy of a grade-six debate table. You are so cloaked in hate that you are unable, and completely unwilling, to have even a moment's iota of questioning your drunken patriotism. I feel sorry for you. You are no better off than the Muslims who were scared into compliance with Saddam.

 

[PatPatriot]

The Nazis never were Christians. They sometimes used the cover of Christianity and other religions in their propaganda but they developed their own Pagan rituals for weddings, births and other important ceremonies. They also exterminated thousands of priests and millions of Christians in concentration camps.

The Nazis used any religion to further their power. For example, the Nazis raised two Muslim Waffen SS Division during the war. These were the only true "religious" SS Division the Nazis ever created (and it is safe to say that the Germany was not a Muslim nation). Himmler was fascinated by the thought of Muslims to be fearless soldiers willing to kill for their religion. One of these Muslim Waffen SS divisions (The Hanjer Division) was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.

X..I don't cloak anything.
Typical elitist, don't agree with you and shoot holes in your argument so I must be the dumb bastard...I've posted as many facts on this as you have....The fact that guys like you have a problem understanding is that not everything is equel in life.
Look,Islam has the power to end this terrorism shit...but instead they are the enablers.
I feel I have the right to hate them as long as they are hell bent on doing me harm and showing me or the western world nothing to the contrary.
All I know is that there will be a lot more hungry kids around the world fed in the name of Christianity than in the name of Islam.
And that right wing christian nut of a president we have also saw to it that billions of US dollars went to Africa for AIDS....How much did Arafat give? What has Iran done? What has Syria done?..Is Bin Laden visiting hospitals??
You, disputing and closing your eyes to facts have your own brand of hate don't you??

 

[radiofreecostarica]

There have been a hell of a lot more saved, by christianity.

This is mere wordplay.

But I think patriot reveals something very interesting about the state of American Intellectualism in his attack of the 'high brow thinkers' and 'elitists' (are those who think sinners, elitists?)
Namely, that any show of intellectualism in mainstream life is either scorned, non-existent or swept under the rug.
Is anything that isn´t party line considered intellectual? I certainly hope not. I would warn those who adopt this line of thinking- those who attack others for analyzing 'too much' (can you do that regarding journalism?)- that by doing so you are seated, well mired, in your own ignorance.

 

[PatPatriot]

hey radio..intellectul elitism by my definition are people who have this idea that you can build this socialist utopia through the global baloney bullshit...and that everyone else is stupid and should listen to the UN.And the world would be so much better if we listned to them.They are constantly trying to reinvent the wheel,or fix what isn't broke or think there is no such thing as good or evil....They are deconstructionist that think the Constitution and Bill of rights is some old absrtract document that needs a serious face lift according to their terms.They can't get a grip that some of the old ideas are some the best ideas.

And I'll tell you this there will be a hell of lot more of christians feeding starving muslims then the other way around.
I won't drive my suv if Barbra Streisand get rid of her jets.
I will get rid of my guns if Rosie O'Donnel gets rid of her armed body guards.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

i don´t want to reinvent the wheel, i want to make it SMOOTHER..

 

[radiofreecostarica]

They can't get a grip that some of the old ideas are some the best ideas.

I fully agree. You have to be smart when rejecting/accepting the past. And the idea of 'neo-conservatives' is a relatively new one..

 

[PatPatriot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And the idea of 'neo-conservatives' is a relatively new one.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Protecting and living by the constitution is an old idea (Freedom of religion another "old idea")....which might be new to you and your muslim friends living the mid east.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

I fail to understand how you can mention freedom of religion and then gargle up this:

which might be new to you and your muslim friends living the mid east.

If anything, neocons bastardize religion more than they advocate the freedom of it.

 

[PatPatriot]

OK radio why don't you go over there in the mid east and say shit about islam like you say shit about christianity over hear??

They would cut your balls off with a broken camel hoof.

The point is not what I say or think it is what the constitution says that counts.

 

[xpanda]

I must first state that I am neither elitist nor male. This is not relevant to my discussions here, just felt the need to clarify.

Patriot, you are consistently making the mistake of claiming that Islam and terrorism are one and the same. Yes, Osama is Muslim and a terrorist in the name of Islam. But that hardly means that all Muslims are terrorists. When you choose to use language that suggests that belief, you make yourself out to be racist (which tends also to make me think elitist, imagine the irony) and therefore your argument is immediately prone to scepticism. I am protesting your knee-jerk contempt for all Muslims.

My understanding, and this may help to ease some of your hatred toward Iraq, is that Saddam draws even less correlation between his Muslim faith and his politics than Bush does with his Christianity and politics. I have no written word to support this, and am going only on the description given me by my friend from Baghdad. Try to imagine for a moment that this is true, and that Bin Laden and Hussein are not motivated by the same agenda, nor are they in cahoots. Could this, would this, in any way alter your position?

 

[radiofreecostarica]

Let´s overlook the fact that I was initially agreeing with you, ya daft prick.
Now, let´s look at your argument. Where in the constitution does it mention anything about Islam?
If your answer is, 'it doesn´t' then why suddenly all this talk about Islam?

 

[PatPatriot]

must first state that I am neither elitist nor male. This is not relevant to my discussions here, just felt the need to clarify.

Patriot, you are consistently making the mistake of claiming that Islam and terrorism are one and the same. Yes, Osama is Muslim and a terrorist in the name of Islam. But that hardly means that all Muslims are terrorists. When you choose to use language that suggests that belief, you make yourself out to be racist (which tends also to make me think elitist, imagine the irony) and therefore your argument is immediately prone to scepticism. I am protesting your knee-jerk contempt for all Muslims.
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X... I understand this 100%...I am not a racist!!! My point all along is that I fail to see the condemnation of Bin L. and his acts by the Muslim community...Which reminds me of acts done by the KKK in which people knew of it and who, why etc....but stood by and did nothing..
Also, i understand that BL and Saddam probably hate each other but like I stated...The enemy of my enemy is my freind....I can't believe that people are that naive that they don't see the correlation....Thsoe people in that corner of the world understand 1 thing.. strength and they feed of percived weakness.
Muslims are not terrorist but so far all the terroist are muslims.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

i understand that BL and Saddam probably hate each other but like I stated...The enemy of my enemy is my freind

???

Then why bomb Saddam?

Muslims are not terrorist but so far all the terroist are muslims.

'Today in Belfast the Muslim Faction of the IRA bombed a protestant church'.

LMAO

 

[xpanda]

"So far all terrorists are Muslims."

Ireland has been dealing with terrorists for years ... or is it only considered terrorism when it lands in your lap? Why doesn't Bush's campaign include bombing the shit out of them, too?? I mean, if you're anti-terrorist, you're anti-terrorist.

(Oh, and please note how I didn't mention that Ireland's terrorists are killing each other in the name of some form of Christianity?? Oops! There I go!)

I gotta get off this soapbox ...