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Allen has always been inconsistent despite his improvements. He can look like arguably the best QB in the league some times, then below average other times. It's very rare to see a string of great games from him, and that's always been the case.

His decision making has always been questionable, he's not as accurate as other top guys. He has physical gifts but I don't think he always uses them to the best of advantage. A lot of factors I think contribute to inconsistency, but I think far and and away the reason is he is simply asked to do too much

Bills are hard to beat when they are winning in the trenches and guys like Singletary are giving you something. But if their run game (outside of Allen) is neutralized at all, they are extremely ordinary.

Defensively I think injuries have hindered them quite a bit, though I still think they have a good enough defense to make a run.

I think Bengals would have won the game Monday night based on how things were looking early as well as I think the Bengals are the slightly better team right now playing at home, but obviously impossible to tell.
Momentum is huge in the NFl. What you saw in 2 drives rarely is consistent for 4 quarters let alone 2 halves . Think it’s impossible to say anything more then cinnci started the game like a house on fire with 6 min left in first quarter. Do some live betting on hockey dogs and you can make some decent money if you cash out ahead.
 

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Yeah, if Tua could stay healthy he would be OK. Atleast when you don't gotta pay him and have 2 stud receivers around him.

He's pretty limited though. All lefty QB's just sorta look awkward, unless it is Steve Young throwing to a wide open Jerry Rice. But seems like he's always gonna have problems making plays down the field. And Hill isn't gonna be young forever and there's only 1 of him.
 
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I like he has faith. ..Anyway the Dolphs never climbed on my sheet the way I thought they might through the win streak. Thought they had something and the addition of the bigger back from Frisco .... just didn't. Stayed about the same
I never said the fins were a super bowl team.

I had them making the playoffs and maybe winning a game

Also said they were going to be a "tough beat" for the team that knocks them out of the playoffs

I have said all year that the bills were the better team (even after week 3)

I was happy to see Tua succeed, worried after cincy game that he wasnt durable, and now convinced that he's not durable.

I'll welcome him back next season (if he plays and if we cant find anyone better) as he will be in year 4 on his rookie contract
 

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This is just survivorship bias, Eagles did the same thing with AJ Brown. Once Tua is on the team, he's sunk cost and you should try to put him in a position to succeed.

If the Dolphins could trade for Allen or Mahomes, I'm sure they would.

What you want the Dolphins to keep rebuilding? They've been rebuilding since this site started and that's not even a joke.
I'm not a even fan of the draft concept in general, but in salary cap leagues, that's the currency. You have to draft and develop properly as many positions as possible before you start adding big missing pieces at whatever position(s).

Otherwise, you're forever behind the eight ball constantly mortgaging your future every season. As you rightly point out, teams that employ that strategy end up in rebuild mode forever.
 

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The Bills defense I assume you mean?

I agree in that I wish Bengals ran the ball more, but I do think the offensive line has improved tremendously in run game

Offensive line had good leverage on Monday night but obviously there was a lot of football to be played
They came out fired up. Visitors gotta weather the storm usually in such big games.
 
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Yeah, if Tua could stay healthy he would be OK. Atleast when you don't gotta pay him and have 2 stud receivers around him.

He's pretty limited though. All lefty QB's just sorta look awkward, unless it is Steve Young throwing to a wide open Jerry Rice. But seems like he's always gonna have problems making plays down the field. And Hill isn't gonna be young forever and there's only 1 of him.
Waddle is still on rookie contract as well

Tua to Hill is VERY NICE but the thing is, Hill is ALWAYS OPEN. So i dont know if "insert QB here" could do the same thing? Maybe its Tua with the RPO? Maybe its the offense? Who knows?

I have been to 5 games this season (number 6 this sunday) and its awesome watching Tyreke as he is ALWAYS OPEN.

Tua does throw some nice passes over defenders to get to the receiver but he's no Marino when it comes to "threading the needle".

I was always scared about paying Tua after year 5 as wasnt sure if he was worth the $$$. Before the GB game, i was ok with picking up his option for year 5 but also wanted to wait a bit.

Now who knows about year 5?
 

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I'm not a even fan of the draft concept in general, but in salary cap leagues, that's the currency. You have to draft and develop properly as many positions as possible before you start adding big missing pieces at whatever position.

Otherwise, you're forever behind the eight ball constantly mortgaging your future and will suck forever! As you rightly point out, those teams are in rebuild mode forever.

Still a business with fans, merchandise, season ticket holders, etc

Can't really be like "We're gonna spend the next 20 years until we find a QB so expect us to suck for a long time"

They had b2b winning years, making a few big moves and hoping TuAnon is real made sense.

Even tanking is no picnic....Getting the #1 pick has only really paid massive dividends once in the 21st century with Burrow (maybe Lawrence, Andrew Luck I do think was really good before injuries....Eli with the Giants I guess as weird as that sounds)
 
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I'm not a even fan of the draft concept in general, but in salary cap leagues, that's the currency. You have to draft and develop properly as many positions as possible before you start adding big missing pieces at whatever position(s).

Otherwise, you're forever behind the eight ball constantly mortgaging your future every season. As you rightly point out, teams that employ that strategy end up in rebuild mode forever.
When does Allen's contract kick in? Next season?

You'll see that once he makes more, the bills will have to spend less in other places.

The bills will have an advantage as they can sign veteran ring chasers who will take less money for a year so they can win SB.
 

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I never said the fins were a super bowl team.

I had them making the playoffs and maybe winning a game

Also said they were going to be a "tough beat" for the team that knocks them out of the playoffs

I have said all year that the bills were the better team (even after week 3)

I was happy to see Tua succeed, worried after cincy game that he wasnt durable, and now convinced that he's not durable.

I'll welcome him back next season (if he plays and if we cant find anyone better) as he will be in year 4 on his rookie contract
Never said you did! Tua deserves none of the scrutiny he gets. He's good. Durability is and always has been the only ?
 
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Still a business with fans, merchandise, season ticket holders, etc

Can't really be like "We're gonna spend the next 20 years until we find a QB so expect us to suck for a long time"

They had b2b winning years, making a few big moves and hoping TuAnon is real made sense.

Even tanking is no picnic....Getting the #1 pick has only really paid massive dividends once in the 21st century with Burrow (maybe Lawrence, Andrew Luck I do think was really good before injuries....Eli with the Giants I guess as weird as that sounds)
Thats what the 2019 season was all about. "Tank 4 Tua". Lose every game and get the number 1 pick the next season and draft Tua

They cut some vets to get them out of cap hell and traded Tunsil and Minkah.

Too bad Flores made them good at the end of the season. Dummies even beat the bengals that year.

Had they had the first pick, they would have had Burrow. Instead, they still landed Tua. Now we wish they took Herbert.

What sux it was a covid draft so it was hard to work out players. I wonder if they would have changed their minds had they had more time with both Tua and Herbert?

Their owner LOVED Tua
 

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I think NFL goes to a lottery system for the top 7-10 picks sooner than later. Teams are getting smart about losing at the end of the year and it is gonna fuck up a lot of these games. I remember when the Eagles put in Sudfeld and people had all these takes about how they aren't "building winning culture", that was obviously a very smart move for them as that pick allowed them to maneuver and help build the team they currently have.

There are like 3 watchable games this weekend.

Whereas tanking doesn't really matter in NBA too much the final few weeks (and even that was cleaned up pretty well by capping #1 pick at 14%), you can't just have an entire NFL slate be a joke.
 

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They came out fired up. Visitors gotta weather the storm usually in such big games.
Sure. Again, no way to know what happens

But I think Bengals/Bills could easily go either way.

Buffalo hasn't been impressive enough this season to be considered a clear favorite or anything like that. They definitely have areas of their defense to exploit, even if Bengals aren't rushing that effectively
 

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Waddle is still on rookie contract as well

Tua to Hill is VERY NICE but the thing is, Hill is ALWAYS OPEN. So i dont know if "insert QB here" could do the same thing? Maybe its Tua with the RPO? Maybe its the offense? Who knows?

I have been to 5 games this season (number 6 this sunday) and its awesome watching Tyreke as he is ALWAYS OPEN.

Tua does throw some nice passes over defenders to get to the receiver but he's no Marino when it comes to "threading the needle".

I was always scared about paying Tua after year 5 as wasnt sure if he was worth the $$$. Before the GB game, i was ok with picking up his option for year 5 but also wanted to wait a bit.

Now who knows about year 5?
Can't really RPO with Tua given that Tua is basically a statue.

Guy has serious mobility issues. He's extremely accurate but weak arm + lack of mobility = likely never a top QB
 

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The Bills defense I assume you mean?

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Sure. Again, no way to know what happens

But I think Bengals/Bills could easily go either way.

Buffalo hasn't been impressive enough this season to be considered a clear favorite or anything like that. They definitely have areas of their defense to exploit, even if Bengals aren't rushing that effectively
You already know I have them less than a point different. If you're right the running game is improving then my choice right now would be wrong.
 

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And Cincinnati does have the better run defense. That will make Allen carry it. Any team with a good rum defense and Allen has to run
 

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Can't really RPO with Tua given that Tua is basically a statue.

Guy has serious mobility issues. He's extremely accurate but weak arm + lack of mobility = likely never a top QB
His release seems awkward
 
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Can't really RPO with Tua given that Tua is basically a statue.

Guy has serious mobility issues. He's extremely accurate but weak arm + lack of mobility = likely never a top QB
But what does RPO mean in football? RPO is short for Run Pass Option. The run-pass option allows the Quarterback to hand the ball to the running back or pass the football to a receiver. The offensive line blocks as if it's run play, which stresses the defense to play the run or the pass.

Tua is 1 of the best RPO QB's in the league
 

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Still a business with fans, merchandise, season ticket holders, etc

Can't really be like "We're gonna spend the next 20 years until we find a QB so expect us to suck for a long time"

They had b2b winning years, making a few big moves and hoping TuAnon is real made sense.

Even tanking is no picnic....Getting the #1 pick has only really paid massive dividends once in the 21st century with Burrow (maybe Lawrence, Andrew Luck I do think was really good before injuries....Eli with the Giants I guess as weird as that sounds)
4-5 years of proper drafting and developing, maybe a little sooner if you hit on your picks. However, if your management, scouts and coaches stink, all the picks in the world won't produce wins.

Most splash move trades and big signings are management cutting corners and rolling the dice because of their previous mistakes and mishaps. Hence, forever rebuilding.
 

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When does Allen's contract kick in? Next season?

You'll see that once he makes more, the bills will have to spend less in other places.

The bills will have an advantage as they can sign veteran ring chasers who will take less money for a year so they can win SB.
Agreed, Allen's contract will force management to cut corners in other areas - nature of the cap beast, which I don't like.

Nobody wanted to sign in Buffalo until Beane cleaned house and did a proper rebuild. "If you build it they will come."
 

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4-5 years of proper drafting and developing, maybe a little sooner if you hit on your picks. However, if your management, scouts and coaches stink, all the picks in the world won't produce wins.

Most splash move trades and big signings are management cutting corners and rolling the dice because of their previous mistakes and mishaps. Hence, forever rebuilding.

Dolphins basically did all that and did it pretty well, just took the wrong QB.
 

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