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[truthteller]

Sonny, I didn't see your question before. To answer, I would give the women who commit murder life sentence with hard labour.

A life is a life and according to the Democratic Presidential candidate and the most liberal senator, "life begins at conception." So according to John Kerry, every abortion done is taking a life (murder). Remember, that's according to John Kerry.

Some say it's a baby, some say it's a fetus like u do. If there is such controversy over what it is, why don't give the benefit of the doubt to life instead of choice.

If I am wrong that it's a baby, then the end result will be a life born. However, if you are wrong by saying it's a fetus, then you will be taking a life.

That's your answer.

 

[Sonny2003]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by truthteller:
Sonny, I didn't see your question before. To answer, I would give the women who commit murder life sentence with hard labour.

A life is a life and according to the Democratic Presidential candidate and the most liberal senator, "life begins at conception." So according to John Kerry, every abortion done is taking a life (murder). Remember, that's according to John Kerry.

Some say it's a baby, some say it's a fetus like u do. If there is such controversy over what it is, why don't give the benefit of the doubt to life instead of choice.

_If I am wrong that it's a baby, then the end result will be a life born. However, if you are wrong by saying it's a fetus, then you will be taking a life. _

That's your answer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We can argue over and over what is a fetus and what is a baby????? I will go with all the definitions I see in any dictionary that I read and any medical journel that I see all calls a fetus a unborn or unhatched vertebrate or a developing humam from THREE months after conception to birth.
Now you will disagree with that but it cannot and should not be called a baby until at least after the first trimester.
Now, here is we we are at great odds. You are saying to give EVERY women who has a abortion, before the first trimester life in a cell.As well, hard labor. I believe you seem like a good person for the Taliban. They would gladly welcome you in your zeal to put a women in jail for life for doing a procedure to her self.
What right do you have to question a persons judgement? What about rape or incest???? What should be done than????????
If what you perceive ever comes to pass, we will be back in the dark ages like the Islamic people.

 

[lander]

Once again, the abortion debate is being brought up by the Rep. platform and by you in your argument.
The abortion debate? No, Sonny, abortion is an issue about the murder of babies. I expanded upon the abortion issue, not the "arbortion" debate.

Let me first tell you that I am against abortion and let me also tell you that I firmly believe in a persons right to choose. That said, you will know where I am coming from.
Right. "Every person should be able to make informed decisions about reproduction free from intrusion by the Government." Your mislogic could falsely be applied to any law or theory, but that doesn't make is fact, does it?

Let us take what you said and pick it apart.
I'm not sure who the rest of the "pickers" are whom comprise the "us", but, nonetheless - pick away.

First of all, you refer to a unborn fetus as a baby.
I believe that the two terms ought to be synonymous. Certainly, a Webster's interpertation and manifestation of the "meaning" of a dictionary entry does not change absolute rights or wrongs. That, my friend, would be spinning, not discovery of truth.

I believe that it is a fetus, like most people refer to it and not a baby until it is concieved.
Like I said, the two should be interchangable. I could get really clever and propose a great big analogy of abortion to voting rights to show how "laws" and their "interpretations" are a bit skewed. I'm still not sure what 3/5th of a man is - maybe it's akin to a fetus that is 60% developed - any ideas? Regardless, I haven't the hope that such a sensible argument will be heard by deaf ears.


You also state that women who do terminate a fetus should be executed, I believe that is what you said.
I believe that you cannot read. I never posted such as senseless argument. I am against murder - whether it be an irresponsible whore, a death penalty or a genocidal US appointee President.

With that statement, I guess you do not give much regards to life, as you put it.
If A then B. A has been show to be false, thus your whole assertion bites the bullet.
Next.

Every person should be able to make informed decisions about reproduction free from intrusion by the Government.
That is you opinion. Perhaps every person should be able to make informed decisions about killing their neighbors without intrusion by the Government? Sounds rational to me - I mean, what the fuk let's just ditch all these laws and live in world of complete immorality and responsibility.

To go back to the the way it was before Roe V Wade, would put this Country in the dark ages once again.
It's really just a matter of perception, no?

If this Rep. Party wants to be a uniter not a divider than they do not show it by there platform.
Maybe a few of them want to do the right thing? Bush - no, not a fuking chance, but some of them truly do. Kerry the pro-choice Catholic just doesn't sound honest to me - does it to you?

The abortion issue should be left to the people it impacts more. Not to you and a handful of Politicians.

The babies? No, sorry, but the whores you so passionately support have already dismembered a good number them as we "debate."

 

[Oceans11]

Moving on a teeny bitty.

Have you got any practical solutions Lander, if we assume that.."society would like to bring all babies to full term."

Bearing in mind the complications, have you got some modern western suggestions.

i.e.

1. The Mother is guaranteed full maternity leave for the period and 12 months beyond birth if the baby is kept, 3 if it is given up.
2. Her return to employment is backed by statutory law or 5x 1 years salary by the company concerned if employment is terminated.

etc etc

you get my drift.

 

[Oceans11]

Heck.

If you can spend $450 billion invading an Iraqi hair up your ass then who knows what the possibilities are if you "invest in your genetic future".

 

[lander]

Eek,
1. People will take greater responsibility if the law dictates. I'm sure we'd all like to take a bat to our local OutAndDumb, but that little thing called felont (reprecussions) makes us think better of it.

2. Adoption. There is a long waiting list to adopt a baby.

There are alternatives to irresponsibility. It's about time people took a look in the mirror and assumed responsibility for their own actions.

Of course, my self-preached crusade of responsibilty falls directly inline with my beliefs that rape victims ought to be exempt from any abortion bans. Unfortunately, the world is not as simple as black/white, good/evil and Georgie and other reich-wing nutso will have you ... ok, try to force you to believe.

 

[Oceans11]

I understand the moral bits Lander.
I also believe that I understand the legal logic behind the present situation concerning the issue.

What I am asking is:
What practical changes would you advocate to create a western compromise that would SOLUTION the issue to the satisfaction of the parties concerned?

The present situation, is the cheapest, most practical legal solution.

How would you change that?
(In the richest country on the planet)

 

[truthteller]

We stop the killing of babies so that means we will be back in the dark ages.

The mentality of some people.

 

[Sonny2003]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by truthteller:
We stop the killing of babies so that means we will be back in the dark ages.

The mentality of some people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


These are the countries in the world that have an abortion ban like you would want. Zero. Some have abortion to save the life of the mother, that totals 67 with a pop total of 18.1 % of the world. Among them, there are no civilized countries. Sooooo, yes, we would go back to the dark ages.
Some of these countries that have bans on abortion are,Bangledesh,Colombia,Egypt, Iran,Indonesia. Guess we would be backward if we were among these countries.

 

[Sonny2003]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sonny2003.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by truthteller:
We stop the killing of babies so that means we will be back in the dark ages.

The mentality of some people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


These are the countries in the world that have an abortion ban like you would want. Zero. Some have abortion to save the life of the mother, that totals 67 with a pop total of 18.1 % of the world. Among them, there are no civilized countries. Sooooo, yes, we would go back to the dark ages.
Some of these countries that have bans on abortion are,Bangledesh,Colombia,Egypt, Iran,Indonesia. Guess we would be backward if we were among these countries. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


By the way, I never found out if you favor abortion to save the life of the mother, or in cases of rape & inscest

 

[truthteller]

I have stated in posts before that I am in favour of abortions in cases of rape or incest.

I guess you can call 50% of the American population backwards too since they are in favour of making abortion illegal.

 

[kayaman+]

"Why don't you go shoot an Indian - you Canadians are good at that."

How ironic that an American would criticize another country for abusing indians.