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The people who are now spending a half billion dollars on McCain said all of these things 8 years ago about McCain.

This is your response????

No wonder you guys try to run the lefties off the board.

It's not that you can't debate.

It's that you have no argument!!!

No, you cum-guzzling butt-pirate, that was my response to his idiotic youtube video.
I've offered many times to have a legitimate debate regarding the housing market with your beloved doc only to have him change the subject time and time again as he's done to numerous others when the subject of an actual debate pops up. He's a fucking retard who is incapable of an intelligent, original thought.
While I'm here, fuck you too. Your use of punctuation makes you come off as a 12 year old child. If i add four question marks and exclamation points to my posts too, will they have more credence? How about some smiley faces with an "lol" banner - like 12 of them - would that make things easier for you to understand/prove my points better? No, it wouldn't. All it would do is make me look like a fucking douche bag - an area in which you and doc pretty much have the market cornered. Fuck yourself for ever thinking you're smarter than I am and fuck you again for blindly coming to that washed up, moral-less idiot's defense all the time.
 
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Clarke was badly shot up in Vietnam and spent months in the hospital and
no one knew if he was going to live

Clarke has every right to call McCain's ass out

Hell ...Bush and company said he was mentally unstable in 2000 and
now McCain wont release his Psychiatric records

Fuck the Right ... they brought all this shit on with their Smear tactics on Vets so go fuck your Limbaugh blow up dolls and give McFuckface the following message:

CLARKE IS A GENERAL ... MAKE SURE YA SALUTE HIM YOU BUSH LOWLIFE SUCKUP !!
 

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Yes, John McCain was broken while in Vietnam. To only mention this part of his ordeal is an outright omission. Let's give this hero the full story instead of only mentioning his weakness. McCain could have been let go early but he chose to stay until everyone was let go.

Yeah, I would say that qualifies him for President.

"Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to treat his injuries, instead beating and interrogating him to get information.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-hub-364_35-0>[36]</SUP> Only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral did they give him medical care<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-hub-364_35-1>[36]</SUP> and announce his capture. His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of The New York Times<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-nyt102867j_36-0>[37]</SUP> and The Washington Post.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-37>[38]</SUP>
McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-az-pow_32-3>[33]</SUP> Now having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-az-pow_32-4>[33]</SUP> McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-38>[39]</SUP> in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-39>[40]</SUP> In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-40>[41]</SUP>
In mid-1968, McCain's father was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and McCain was offered early release.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-hub-451_41-0>[42]</SUP> The North Vietnamese wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-42>[43]</SUP> and also wanted to show other POWs that elites like McCain were willing to be treated preferentially.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-hub-451_41-1>[42]</SUP> McCain turned down the offer of repatriation; he would only accept the offer if every man taken in before him was released as well.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-az-pow_32-5>[33]"</SUP>
 
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<table border="0" width="443"> <tbody><tr> <td height="44" width="437"> <!--start--> Top Cop Says McCain Was Never TorturedFormer Vietnam vet with top secret clearance - Republican frontrunner is "a lying skunk"</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" width="445"> <tbody><tr> <td height="47" width="397"> Paul Joseph Watson
Thursday, February 7th, 2008
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A former Vietnam veteran with top secret clearance says he has personally spoken to numerous POW's who dispute John McCain's claim that he refused to provide information after he was captured and tortured in Hanoi, saying that in fact McCain's code-name was "Songbird" because of his willingness to tell all to avoid torture.


Jack McLamb served nine years in secret operations in Cambodia and other nations before going on to become one of the most highly decorated police officer's in Phoenix history, winning police officer of the year twice before taking a role as a hostage negotiator for the FBI.


"I know a lot of Vietnam veterans and a few POW's and all the POW's that I've talked to over the years say that John McCain is a lying skunk," McLamb told the Alex Jones Show.

"He never was tortured - they were there in the camp with him and then when he came in....he immediately started spilling his guts about everything because he didn't want to get tortured," said McLamb, contradicting the official story that McCain only offered his name, rank, serial number, and date of birth.

"The Vietnamese Communists called him the Songbird, that's his code name, Songbird McCain, because he just came into the camp singing and telling them everything they wanted to know," said McLamb.


McLamb said the POW's told him that McCain had sustained two broken arms and a leg injury from not pulling his arms in when he bailed out of his A-4 Skyhawk that was shot down over the Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi.
The POW's said that McCain made 32 propaganda videos for the communist North Vietnamese in which he denounced America for what they were doing in Vietnam.


"They have these sealed now, our government has these sealed, we can't get to it, they have it classified," said McLamb, adding that in truth "the POW's hate John McCain."

























It is commonly accepted that McCain was treated better than other POW's and afforded medical care immediately after the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral.


Several Vietnam veterans groups do solely exist to expose McCain's abandonment of veteran's interests as well as his lies about being tortured, including Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain and U.S. Veteran Dispatch.
Doubts over McCain's alleged war hero status and his support to curtail efforts to look for missing POW's contributed to torpedoing his presidential campaign in 2000 and those same questions will undoubtedly surface again should the Senator win the Republican nomination. <!--end-->
 

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mccain was broken as a prisoner

Obama will be broken as a presidential canidate if there is a media member that will ever ask him a tough question.
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g&feature=related

Vietnam Veterans Against McCain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTe7cuyx6J4&feature=related

POWs & MIAs UNITED AGAINST John McCain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAscwmGj9Ao&feature=related

Senator John McCain (Hero Or Traitor)

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McCain's attack on vets



[COLOR=#333333 ! important]His respectful rhetoric isn't matched by his votes.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#999999 ! important]By Edward Humes
May 30, 2008 [/COLOR]
MORE THAN A FEW people have been puzzled by Sen. John McCain's dogged opposition to the updated GI Bill of Rights now before Congress. The dissonance between McCain's military-man image and his actions on this issue have introduced a jarring note to his presidential aspirations -- and have highlighted the shoddy treatment many Iraq war veterans have received. <hr> FOR THE RECORD:
GI Bill: A May 30 Op-Ed article about the GI Bill said the 1944 bill offered full benefits to any veteran who served 90 days. The bill paid for 12 months of college or vocational school if a veteran served 90 days, with additional benefits, up to 48 months of school, for each month of military service. —
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Why would a Vietnam War veteran and former prisoner of war, a man who is personally acquainted with the difficulties vets can face in returning to civilian life, join President Bush in opposing a popular bipartisan bill to support the troops? Isn't fixing the education benefit in the bill -- one that has shortchanged far too many veterans for years -- a political no-brainer in an election year? The 75 senators who recently voted for it certainly thought so. Over the Memorial Day weekend, Sen. Barack Obama expressed some well-timed astonishment at McCain’s opposition, and the two have been feuding about it ever since. The media and pundits seem perplexed, collectively suggesting: That's not the John McCain we know.

Which is true: It is the John McCain they don't know. If the media weren't so mesmerized by the McCain image they have long promoted and instead got to know the McCain record, they would realize that there is nothing surprising or inconsistent about his position on the GI Bill. For years he has opposed legislation that veterans and their advocates deem vital. In doing so, he is simply being true to the contemporary conservative wing of the GOP and its leader, George W. Bush, in opposing social programs and benefits for individuals, even if those individuals happen to be veterans. The only surprise is that anyone finds this surprising.

This time, though, McCain is swimming against the tide of history. The original GI Bill -- signed into law in 1944 -- was one of the most important laws every adopted by Congress. It transformed the nation after World War II in epic fashion, with generous college benefits, stipends, subsidized mortgages, business loans and job training and placement.

Veterans got free rides to any college that would accept them. Tuition, books, housing and living expenses were all covered, giving rise to a new generation of scientists, inventors, teachers, doctors, civic leaders and artists. Low-interest, no-money-down home loans backed by the government made it cheaper to buy than to rent. Suburbia, widespread homeownership, college as a majority aspiration, the middle class -- all were built on the back of the GI Bill.

It reinvented the American dream. Bob Dole and George McGovern went to school on the GI Bill. So did Clint Eastwood and Paul Newman. So did 14 Nobel Prize winners. So did 7 million other World War II veterans.

Today's GI Bill, however, is a pale shadow of the original, particularly when it comes to college, as Congress has not kept the benefits in line with the rising cost of higher education. The World War II-era living stipend is gone; in its place, members of the military must agree to a $100 monthly payroll deduction to receive the college aid. An education benefit that sent WWII vets to Yale now won't cover four years at the average public university, though many recruits don't understand this when they sign up.

Sen. James Webb (D-Va.), a former Marine who served in Vietnam and who was President Reagan's Navy secretary, has made restoring the GI Bill education benefits one of his signature issues; it was his bill, co-sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), that cleared the Senate over McCain's and Bush's opposition.

McCain argues that making the education benefits too generous will hurt retention, as enlistees will leave for college after three years rather than reenlist. McCain's position makes sense only by overlooking the fact that the main retention (and recruiting) problems facing the military are the Iraq war and the scandals plaguing military and veterans healthcare. (The most recent outrage: In a Memorial Day speech, Secretary of Veterans Affairs James Peake downplayed the seriousness of brain trauma suffered by tens of thousands of servicemen in Iraq and Afghanistan, calling many of their diagnoses "overblown" and likening them to youth football injuries.)

The inadequacy of the military's prime recruiting tool -- subsidized college educations -- is hurting recruitment too, and Webb argues this can be fixed only by fixing the GI Bill. He says McCain, a friend, "is missing the boat" by siding with the Bush Pentagon rather than veterans groups. Webb points to a Congressional Budget Office analysis that found any possible losses in retention caused by his bill would be balanced by the increases in recruitment it would generate.

McCain's rationalization for opposing the bill may not hold water, but his stance makes perfect sense in light of his record. From 2004 to 2006, the Disabled Veterans of America gave him annual scores ranging from 50% to the most recent 20% when it comes to supporting the group's legislative priorities. The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave him a grade of "D" in its most recent analysis of voting records. The American Legion says he is dead wrong on the GI Bill, as does the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

When Obama (who has averaged an 86% rating from the Disabled Veterans of America) criticized McCain on the GI Bill, the Arizona senator angrily suggested that Obama's status as a non-veteran rendered his opinions on military matters worthless (an odd stance, as this standard would also discount the opinions of 85% of American men, 98.8% of American women and two-thirds of Congress). Then he invited a look at his own record by asserting, "I take a back seat to no one in my affection, respect and devotion to veterans."

So let's take McCain up on his invitation. Here is how he has stood on recent legislation supported by major veterans organizations:

* On Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.

* Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.

* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.

* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.

* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.

* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.

Before the Senate voted on Webb's GI legislation, McCain offered what he called a compromise bill, but it was rejected. Webb pointed out that there really was no compromise in McCain's proposal because it would have excluded most veterans by offering full education benefits only to those with multiple enlistments, even though 70% to 75% of enlistees leave after one tour.

Compare McCain's stingy standards with the original GI Bill: Any veteran who served 90 days during World War II, in combat or not, earned full benefits. It is Webb's bill that represents the reasonable compromise between the gold standard set for the "greatest generation's" original GI benefits and what is doable in today's economy: a GI Bill that will truly pay for a college education after three years of service, without the onerous payroll deduction.

So here is where the McCain image and reality part company. It is certainly true that his affectionate and respectful rhetoric for America's servicemen and women takes a back seat to no one. But when it comes to improving the health and education of our veterans, McCain's record leaves them stranded by the side of the road.

Edward Humes is the author of "Over Here: How the GI Bill Transformed the American Dream" and, most recently, "Monkey Girl."
 

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