I never said ... hell, I bet college bball and ya missed the pt ... it is the ones throwing the stones that usually have no info to base their accusations upon
This IS NOT A PYRAMID ... do thy homework
Lets see ... GM just cut 30,000 jobs // Enron collapsed // Divorces run at 50% in this country
12DP is a working business model .. the concept is not for everyone and that is why JOBS were created
This IS NOT A PYRAMID ... do thy homework
Lets see ... GM just cut 30,000 jobs // Enron collapsed // Divorces run at 50% in this country
12DP is a working business model .. the concept is not for everyone and that is why JOBS were created
Legit
As I have said on another thread, 12 Daily Pro is legitimate. I have been doing it since July, and I was skeptical to start off, as well. I only put in a few hundred dollars at the beginning, and it worked. I eventually put the maximum $6000, and it still worked. I have made over $20,000 in just about 6 months (and yes, it is in my bank account and I can use it). If you go to the website, they explain how they make money. If you want to sign up, check out my link. It's a referral link that would help me out, and it wouldn't affect you at all. Then, you can refer your friends, too.
Good luck, and I hope more people start to make money with 12 Daily Pro.
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As I have said on another thread, 12 Daily Pro is legitimate. I have been doing it since July, and I was skeptical to start off, as well. I only put in a few hundred dollars at the beginning, and it worked. I eventually put the maximum $6000, and it still worked. I have made over $20,000 in just about 6 months (and yes, it is in my bank account and I can use it). If you go to the website, they explain how they make money. If you want to sign up, check out my link. It's a referral link that would help me out, and it wouldn't affect you at all. Then, you can refer your friends, too.
Good luck, and I hope more people start to make money with 12 Daily Pro.
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dont listen to the "Its a Scam" crowd as those folks have done the following in life:
* Went to college to get a job
* They have a JOB (JUST OVER BROKE) that pays them maybe 40k per year
* They have never had the guts to do their own business
* Are willing to let their local bank pay them 3% to use their money
* They tell ya "its a scam" yet will not even question the overpriced fees of
an attorney
Doc, I'm not owned by the man, I have put my neck and money on the line for different ventures, some good, some ok and some bad. Those successful at scamming people always use the don't be talked out of it by the sheep analogy. I don't fit into the above category and my advice to anyone looking at this would be, if you really want to be involved in a scam operation, start your own. Then you can really be the business owner, why settle for 12% on your money? Why not make 1000% on your money or more like the ones actually running this scheme? My simple rule of thumb is, if it doesn't pass the sniff test, its probably not worth it. GL to those that send money.
* Went to college to get a job
* They have a JOB (JUST OVER BROKE) that pays them maybe 40k per year
* They have never had the guts to do their own business
* Are willing to let their local bank pay them 3% to use their money
* They tell ya "its a scam" yet will not even question the overpriced fees of
an attorney
Doc, I'm not owned by the man, I have put my neck and money on the line for different ventures, some good, some ok and some bad. Those successful at scamming people always use the don't be talked out of it by the sheep analogy. I don't fit into the above category and my advice to anyone looking at this would be, if you really want to be involved in a scam operation, start your own. Then you can really be the business owner, why settle for 12% on your money? Why not make 1000% on your money or more like the ones actually running this scheme? My simple rule of thumb is, if it doesn't pass the sniff test, its probably not worth it. GL to those that send money.
Degenerate: agree and good for you ....
You keep throwing out the word "scam" ... based on what??? tell that to my sister and the other fella who here is involved and making money ...
What is a "Scam"???
* Attorneys who get involved in bogus lawsuits?
* Folks like "Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron fame?
* GM who cuts 30,000 jobs?
* IBM that cuts retirment benefits?
Define passing the "sniff" rule since you really dont seem to know much about this setup or their business model ... My sister is doing very well and I shut the hell up when I saw her receipts that were going back into Storm Pay
Not saying you are wrong ... saying that the term "scam" is easy to use when someone has done no homework
BOL ....
You keep throwing out the word "scam" ... based on what??? tell that to my sister and the other fella who here is involved and making money ...
What is a "Scam"???
* Attorneys who get involved in bogus lawsuits?
* Folks like "Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron fame?
* GM who cuts 30,000 jobs?
* IBM that cuts retirment benefits?
Define passing the "sniff" rule since you really dont seem to know much about this setup or their business model ... My sister is doing very well and I shut the hell up when I saw her receipts that were going back into Storm Pay
Not saying you are wrong ... saying that the term "scam" is easy to use when someone has done no homework
BOL ....
i cant wait to bump this thread about 3 months from now...
then we will see who was right and who was wrong. by the way i researched this site on the net... the guy who runs this place already did the exact same thing before with another site and guess what happened after a lil over a year....
uppy:
then we will see who was right and who was wrong. by the way i researched this site on the net... the guy who runs this place already did the exact same thing before with another site and guess what happened after a lil over a year....
uppy:* Attorneys who get involved in bogus lawsuits?
* Folks like "Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron fame?
* GM who cuts 30,000 jobs?
* IBM that cuts retirment benefits?
Are you saying this set up is similiar to the above? If Kenny Boy can rob and steal, and get rich, why don't you? Why not post up at the F-rated books? Many of them pay out some customers before pulling the pin. I can get people to post withdraw receipts from books who eventually went
up? What does that prove? IMO your reasoning is extremely warped but hey if you want to get involved in those type of investments and feel comfortable being a Kenny Boy, than be my guest. :toast:
* Folks like "Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron fame?
* GM who cuts 30,000 jobs?
* IBM that cuts retirment benefits?
Are you saying this set up is similiar to the above? If Kenny Boy can rob and steal, and get rich, why don't you? Why not post up at the F-rated books? Many of them pay out some customers before pulling the pin. I can get people to post withdraw receipts from books who eventually went
up? What does that prove? IMO your reasoning is extremely warped but hey if you want to get involved in those type of investments and feel comfortable being a Kenny Boy, than be my guest. :toast:
12dp write-up --- definitely a scam!
found this on the web - nobody mentioned that they keep asking you to invest more after your initial investment and it has to be real cash - not their delayed payment. Sounds like like some scammer books who don't pay when you look into it.
And Doc you know too much about it to just be a casual observer of your sister's membership. And if you are a member, guess what? You get bonuses for recruiting new members - so it's a Ponzi MLM. It's only been around since May and action really picked up around Christmas.
Paid Autosurf Ponzi Scheme Scams (I)
Have you recently seen offers like this one?
Get 1% of your money daily for 365 days with little work!Get 365% in a year!100% Money-Back Guaranteed! There are many variations to these parameters: 5% daily for 60 days for a total 300%, 2% daily for 200 days for a total 400%...
That's what the "X% Autosurfs" based on a Ponzi scheme are offering.
There has been quite a proliferation of such sites lately which is giving a bad name to the whole 'autosurf' term, so let me tell you something before I talk about the Ponzi autosurfs.
Paid Autosurf - The Honest and "The Others"
There *ARE* honest autosurf sites based on a sustainable business model. This is how they operate:
* Advertisers pay for page impressions.
* The autosurfing members deliver the page impressions using the autosurf site's script.
* The autosurf site pays each member based on the impressions generated by him or her.
The Market Cost of an Autosurf Page Impression
Let's compute a meaningful piece of data I will use later: the cost of an Autosurf Page Impression to advertisers that pay for them.
Let's take a look at one of the honest autosurf site's advertising packages:
2,000 impressions for $2 => cost per thousand = $2/2 = $1250,000 impressions for $99 => cost per thousand = $99/250 = $.396 Other autosurf services offer advertising packages for as low as $.20, so that's the cost to the advertiser, somewhere between $.20 and $1 per thousand.
These services pay a fixed $.05 to $.10 per thousand impressions to its autosurfing members, obviously less than the advertiser's cost. That's the market value for the autosurfer's work of delivering page impressions.
Notice that I'm talking about page impressions instead of page views. This is the autosurf world, so I'm not assuming that autosurfers are actually watching all the sites. Moreover, advertisers know this. That's why the price on this type of advertising is so low. In accordance, that's why the payout to autosurfers is so low.
To learn more about how to become an autosurfer and benefit from honest paid autosurfing, read my past article about free to join autocashing programs .
Again, the business model:
* The advertiser pays for page impressions.
* The autosurfer members deliver the page impressions.
* The service pays each member based on the impressions generated by him or her.
* Everybody gets what they expected, everybody wins.
"The Others"
I hope that title sounded scary enough!
But I'll try to scare you more anyway.
Let's focus on a typical one of "the others" that promises to pay 1% of the money you invest for every day that you autosurf 100 sites.
Say you invest $10,000 in it (ouch) and you expect to be paid $100 for each day that you autosurf those 100 sites. So you're earning $1 for each page impression you generate, right?
Honest autosurf sites charge $.20 to $1 per THOUSAND page impressions to advertisers. An advertiser that really paid for page impressions in our questionable program would be paying at least $1,000 per thousand impressions, and that would be only to cover costs.
$1,000 versus $.20!
Did that market price discrepancy trigger some alarms already?
Do you think that advertisers are going to pay one thousand bucks when they can pay twenty cents for the same service?
Do you still really think you're being paid for your autosurfing work out of advertisers' money?
The truth is you're not really being paid for it. You're assigned that "work" to make you believe that you're involved in an honest program so you can promote it in good faith and, as a consequence of your good faith word-of-mouth promotion...
...get even more paying members to the program
THAT'S what you're really being paid for (if you're being paid), and only until the scheme collapses and doesn't pay out anymore.
So in essence this is just another "get a too-good-to-be-true return for your money for little or no work" Ponzi scheme.
The sad thing about it is that many people still join these schemes and even defend them in the forums, or at least they do while they're being paid.
Common "This is not a scam!" arguments by (temporarily) happy members
1 - "They have paid me"
Of course they did, that's how Ponzis operate in their growth period. Creating exponential growth is part of the game, and they need your true testimonial and word-of-mouth to achieve that. But a Ponzi's growth period doesn't last forever, so don't expect them to pay you forever either.
2 - "Their site looks so professional"
That's because you've stumbled with a professional Ponzi manager, committed to his scheme's success. Again, they MUST make it look professional to extend the Ponzi growth period as long as possible.
Poorly looking sites don't last long because they're unable to get too many members in the first place due to their bad look, and your program's manager knows this.
3 - "They've been online for a year (or two or three)"
See above.
4 - "There's a 100% money-back guarantee"
Maybe there is, but that doesn't mean they're going to honor it. And even that money-back guarantee is conditioned to your full agreement to the Terms of Service (ToS).
5 - "Their Terms of Service are so well written"
That only means the professional Ponzi site manager again has taken his scheme seriously.
Anyway, if you read the site's ToS carefully, which you're required to agree with in order to sign up with the program, you will probably find awful paragraphs with only a bit of reading between the lines.
Oops! I'm running out of time today and have more to write about the subject. This is what I'll tell you about in next issue:
* Ponzi autosurfs' awful Terms of Service.
* Identifying Ponzi autosurfs: The Danger Signs.
* A look at the past of Ponzi autosurfs, which accurately reveals their future.
* Still willing to take the risk?
By the way, do you know any friends or relatives already involved in such a scheme and telling others to join in? Please do them a favor and let them know about this page. Thank you!
found this on the web - nobody mentioned that they keep asking you to invest more after your initial investment and it has to be real cash - not their delayed payment. Sounds like like some scammer books who don't pay when you look into it.
And Doc you know too much about it to just be a casual observer of your sister's membership. And if you are a member, guess what? You get bonuses for recruiting new members - so it's a Ponzi MLM. It's only been around since May and action really picked up around Christmas.
Paid Autosurf Ponzi Scheme Scams (I)
Have you recently seen offers like this one?
Get 1% of your money daily for 365 days with little work!Get 365% in a year!100% Money-Back Guaranteed! There are many variations to these parameters: 5% daily for 60 days for a total 300%, 2% daily for 200 days for a total 400%...
That's what the "X% Autosurfs" based on a Ponzi scheme are offering.
There has been quite a proliferation of such sites lately which is giving a bad name to the whole 'autosurf' term, so let me tell you something before I talk about the Ponzi autosurfs.
Paid Autosurf - The Honest and "The Others"
There *ARE* honest autosurf sites based on a sustainable business model. This is how they operate:
* Advertisers pay for page impressions.
* The autosurfing members deliver the page impressions using the autosurf site's script.
* The autosurf site pays each member based on the impressions generated by him or her.
The Market Cost of an Autosurf Page Impression
Let's compute a meaningful piece of data I will use later: the cost of an Autosurf Page Impression to advertisers that pay for them.
Let's take a look at one of the honest autosurf site's advertising packages:
2,000 impressions for $2 => cost per thousand = $2/2 = $1250,000 impressions for $99 => cost per thousand = $99/250 = $.396 Other autosurf services offer advertising packages for as low as $.20, so that's the cost to the advertiser, somewhere between $.20 and $1 per thousand.
These services pay a fixed $.05 to $.10 per thousand impressions to its autosurfing members, obviously less than the advertiser's cost. That's the market value for the autosurfer's work of delivering page impressions.
Notice that I'm talking about page impressions instead of page views. This is the autosurf world, so I'm not assuming that autosurfers are actually watching all the sites. Moreover, advertisers know this. That's why the price on this type of advertising is so low. In accordance, that's why the payout to autosurfers is so low.
To learn more about how to become an autosurfer and benefit from honest paid autosurfing, read my past article about free to join autocashing programs .
Again, the business model:
* The advertiser pays for page impressions.
* The autosurfer members deliver the page impressions.
* The service pays each member based on the impressions generated by him or her.
* Everybody gets what they expected, everybody wins.
"The Others"
I hope that title sounded scary enough!
But I'll try to scare you more anyway. Let's focus on a typical one of "the others" that promises to pay 1% of the money you invest for every day that you autosurf 100 sites.
Say you invest $10,000 in it (ouch) and you expect to be paid $100 for each day that you autosurf those 100 sites. So you're earning $1 for each page impression you generate, right?
Honest autosurf sites charge $.20 to $1 per THOUSAND page impressions to advertisers. An advertiser that really paid for page impressions in our questionable program would be paying at least $1,000 per thousand impressions, and that would be only to cover costs.
$1,000 versus $.20!
Did that market price discrepancy trigger some alarms already?
Do you think that advertisers are going to pay one thousand bucks when they can pay twenty cents for the same service?
Do you still really think you're being paid for your autosurfing work out of advertisers' money?
The truth is you're not really being paid for it. You're assigned that "work" to make you believe that you're involved in an honest program so you can promote it in good faith and, as a consequence of your good faith word-of-mouth promotion...
...get even more paying members to the program
THAT'S what you're really being paid for (if you're being paid), and only until the scheme collapses and doesn't pay out anymore.
So in essence this is just another "get a too-good-to-be-true return for your money for little or no work" Ponzi scheme.
The sad thing about it is that many people still join these schemes and even defend them in the forums, or at least they do while they're being paid.
Common "This is not a scam!" arguments by (temporarily) happy members
1 - "They have paid me"
Of course they did, that's how Ponzis operate in their growth period. Creating exponential growth is part of the game, and they need your true testimonial and word-of-mouth to achieve that. But a Ponzi's growth period doesn't last forever, so don't expect them to pay you forever either.
2 - "Their site looks so professional"
That's because you've stumbled with a professional Ponzi manager, committed to his scheme's success. Again, they MUST make it look professional to extend the Ponzi growth period as long as possible.
Poorly looking sites don't last long because they're unable to get too many members in the first place due to their bad look, and your program's manager knows this.
3 - "They've been online for a year (or two or three)"
See above.
4 - "There's a 100% money-back guarantee"
Maybe there is, but that doesn't mean they're going to honor it. And even that money-back guarantee is conditioned to your full agreement to the Terms of Service (ToS).
5 - "Their Terms of Service are so well written"
That only means the professional Ponzi site manager again has taken his scheme seriously.
Anyway, if you read the site's ToS carefully, which you're required to agree with in order to sign up with the program, you will probably find awful paragraphs with only a bit of reading between the lines.
Oops! I'm running out of time today and have more to write about the subject. This is what I'll tell you about in next issue:
* Ponzi autosurfs' awful Terms of Service.
* Identifying Ponzi autosurfs: The Danger Signs.
* A look at the past of Ponzi autosurfs, which accurately reveals their future.
* Still willing to take the risk?
By the way, do you know any friends or relatives already involved in such a scheme and telling others to join in? Please do them a favor and let them know about this page. Thank you!
Here's the program I'm with, it's known as the "NEW" 12Dpro.
The lways safest to get in on these type programs early and this one's only been around since November. It's paid me a steady 10% on my money so far and I believe it has a long run left in it.
For the people who so quickly label things "scam", I suggest you either try it for yourselves or quite frankly mind your own business as we're mature adults and we're quite capable of seeing the inherent risks of investing in ANY company.
For those that decide to join, you'll definitely make money......but you should at all times be keeping your eyes open for warning signs that the program may be coming to an end (payment provider shutdowns; etc, etc,), that's the time to stop investing in the current and move on to the "new". If you do that, it's unlikely you'll be affected if the program ends.
Sportsadvisory -- please leave links out of your posts and please remove link from your user name. I see when you click on your name you are brought to an affiliate link.. wilheim
The lways safest to get in on these type programs early and this one's only been around since November. It's paid me a steady 10% on my money so far and I believe it has a long run left in it.
For the people who so quickly label things "scam", I suggest you either try it for yourselves or quite frankly mind your own business as we're mature adults and we're quite capable of seeing the inherent risks of investing in ANY company.
For those that decide to join, you'll definitely make money......but you should at all times be keeping your eyes open for warning signs that the program may be coming to an end (payment provider shutdowns; etc, etc,), that's the time to stop investing in the current and move on to the "new". If you do that, it's unlikely you'll be affected if the program ends.
Sportsadvisory -- please leave links out of your posts and please remove link from your user name. I see when you click on your name you are brought to an affiliate link.. wilheim
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Mod - delete the above weblink post above - also includes a referral number so this joker can scam you too.
btw 12Dpro is already experiencing payment provider problems and many, many reported slow pays.
If you really want to invest in this BS first go to
www.buythebrooklynbridge.com
Why are all these people already in these scams asking others to mind their own business? We try to have people in the Rx know about bad bookies and other scams that are attempted here.
btw 12Dpro is already experiencing payment provider problems and many, many reported slow pays.
If you really want to invest in this BS first go to
www.buythebrooklynbridge.com
Why are all these people already in these scams asking others to mind their own business? We try to have people in the Rx know about bad bookies and other scams that are attempted here.
CapnHandi said:
Folks, don't listen to this moron.
The site that I posted was a known "paying" site and not a scam.
The Autosurf industry already has it's own community forums and watchdog sites and just like the sportsbook sites, if an autosurf site starts to "no-pay', it gets around...FAST.
Here's one such forum: http://www.talkingautosurfs.com/
If these people crying "scam" would actually take the time to visit these type sites, they would see that they're filled with honest real people and they're more concerned than anybody about being scammed. The sites that don't pay are just as well known as the one's that don't.
As for the mod who removed the link to the program that I'm with, shame on you for following the command of an uninformed idiot. This IS the site promotions forum, IS IT NOT?
If anyone is interested in joining my program, a known "paying" site, just visit my sports site: http://www.sportsadvisory.com/INCOME_OPPORTUNITIES.html
