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OK, we agree, by their own people. NOT OUR BOYS. But this is a sick bunch of fucks. I compare it more to Cambodia. Not religion wise, but fucked up, we will kill you wise. We need to kill a few leaders of the Arab world just to show we mean business.

Problem with that is when we do it(Sadaam), we, and especially the region, wind up far worse than how they were. That's why we need to keep our noses out of it. Let THEM kill their leaders. When we do it, we suffer the blowback.
 

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Marty you are right to be pissed of course. The irony is while your opponent here likes to introduce complexities that are non-existent it is a fact that for other reasons diplomatic policies and foreign intervention always have unforeseen ramifications. Let me give you an example of the difference between a theory and the reality regarding predicting human behavior.

Fact: The Arab World lives under brutal subjugation by oppressive dictators who enslave and crush the people.

Theory: If we remove the brutal dictator and introduce a new form of government the people will elect moderate leaders and travel the path toward a civil society.

Fact/Unintended consequence: There is nothing underneath these dictatorships and when they are removed the bottom literally falls out and a power vacuum is created. That vacuum is subsequently filled by terror gangs and ethnic cleansers who institute a new and even more subhuman form of brutal rule.

Now the talking heads in America are disagreeing on whether terrorism and radicalism is a byproduct of Muslim culture, or an Arab problem. It's complicated. What I do know is the world looks toward the US for leadership. And while our capacities, reach and military might far outdistances others we can't possibly fully eradicate Islamic fundamentalism and rid the world of slave dictatorships without partners. There has to be something underneath when the bottom falls out besides lawlessness, and terrorists who do not recognize borders.

Europe must contribute (and don't forget the Dickhead in Russia has veto power in the UN security council, as well as the Chinese). And even the Arab Sunni autocracies must come aboard, as it is they who benefit in the near term. And we have to do this all in a way that does not empower Assad or strengthen Iran. Whether Obama realizes it or not, and regardless of the picture he tries to repaint with words and wishes he just set the clock back to 9/12/01.
OK, let's make this easy. Leave dictators in place. When they fuck up we kill them. If their replacement fucks up, we kill them. So on, and so on and so on. They've proved they are scum and don't get it. Stay out of their business otherwise. How hard is that.
 

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Problem with that is when we do it(Sadaam), we, and especially the region, wind up far worse than how they were. That's why we need to keep our noses out of it. Let THEM kill their leaders. When we do it, we suffer the blowback.
We did not have to kill saddam. Just his scumbag kids. Ask Gaddafi. He got the message.
 

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We did not have to kill saddam. Just his scumbag kids. Ask Gaddafi. He got the message.

Yeah, and Libya's been a bed of roses since. And Libya just loves All things America now. That's the problem. Our actions have consequences.
 

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OK, let's make this easy. Leave dictators in place. When they fuck up we kill them. If their replacement fucks up, we kill them. So on, and so on and so on. They've proved they are scum and don't get it. Stay out of their business otherwise. How hard is that.

Take a breath man. Hold it for 5 seconds. Exhale..... Let's (me included) try not to get too worked up over the things we can't control. It's a different world now. (And hopefully this means we don't run around with suitcases full of cash to get tribal leaders to work with us anymore either) Dictatorship is their problem now, not ours. The only time dictators are a problem for America is when they act up outside their (artificially drawn, thank you Britain) borders and threaten our allies.

It would be great if we could end slavery and brutal rule everywhere. But we can't. The Saudis may hate us still, yet their princes are not a threat to us. The only slave nations that are threats to us are Iran and NK really. Yet the main threats now are terror groups like ISIS and al Queda with the intent to dominate the world and turn it into an islamic caliphate, through mass murder. That's why we try to battle them on their turf before it expands even further, rather than fight them when they get here.

At least now we are aware, so hopefully better prepared. Had the planes not hit 13 years ago I think we'd be sitting ducks and the forthcoming attacks from ISIS would be much worse than 9/11/01.
 

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Take a breath man. Hold it for 5 seconds. Exhale..... Let's (me included) try not to get too worked up over the things we can't control. It's a different world now. (And hopefully this means we don't run around with suitcases full of cash to get tribal leaders to work with us anymore either) Dictatorship is their problem now, not ours. The only time dictators are a problem for America is when they act up outside their (artificially drawn, thank you Britain) borders and threaten our allies.

It would be great if we could end slavery and brutal rule everywhere. But we can't. The Saudis may hate us still, yet their princes are not a threat to us. The only slave nations that are threats to us are Iran and NK really. Yet the main threats now are terror groups like ISIS and al Queda with the intent to dominate the world and turn it into an islamic caliphate, through mass murder. That's why we try to battle them on their turf before it expands even further, rather than fight them when they get here.

At least now we are aware, so hopefully better prepared. Had the planes not hit 13 years ago I think we'd be sitting ducks and the forthcoming attacks from ISIS would be much worse than 9/11/01.
I disagree. They have no hope, and I have no patience. They've had over 2 thousand years to assimilate. Fuck em. Hey Scott! ask your people. They are way too patient. What the fuck is Israel waiting for?
 

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I disagree. They have no hope, and I have no patience. They've had over 2 thousand years to assimilate. Fuck em. Hey Scott! ask your people. They are way too patient. What the fuck is Israel waiting for?

Marty were you inquiring as to why Israel does not attack Arab States, or why Israel does not attack ISIS? I'll answer on both. How strong do you think Israel is, militarily? This isn't 1967 or 1973 anymore. Israel could destroy any ONE enemy for sure. But do you think Israel could survive attacks from several of Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Gaza, the West Bank, ISIS and al Nusra simultaneously without outside help?

Right or wrong Israel doesn't fight to crush its enemies anymore. It fights to disempower its enemy to a certain point, in order that it can achieve calm for its citizens and be ready the next time it is attacked. At this time Marty many Arab nations are lining up as allies of convenience with Israel. For your perusal:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/fog-cease-fire_803983.html

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/desp...ire-israel-has-emerged-stronger-from-the-war/

http://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/201...ail&utm_term=0_0b0517b2ab-e84f8458c5-41157357

The Israelis will not be part of any coalition to fight ISIS, unless attacked first. This is mainly to assuage the Arab Street who must be convinced to view ISIS as the enemy. Can't throw Israel into that mix. However:

Israel Providing Intelligence on Islamic State

Israel has provided satellite imagery and other intelligence in support of the U.S.-led aerial campaign against the Islamic State in Iraq, a Western diplomat said on Monday. Once "scrubbed" of evidence of its Israeli origin, the information has often been shared by Washington with Arab and Turkish allies, the diplomat said.

The Western diplomat said Israeli spy satellites, overflying Iraq at angles and frequencies unavailable from U.S. satellites, had provided images that allowed the Pentagon to "fill out its information and get better battle damage assessments" after strikes on Islamic State targets.

Israel had also shared information gleaned from international travel databases about Western citizens suspected of joining the insurgents. "The Israelis are very good with passenger data and with analyzing social media in Arabic to get a better idea of who these people are," the diplomat said. (Reuters)
 

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Lining up as allies? No comment, but good luck. If Israel attacked? We'd have no choice but to back them. The UK would too. It's good to have friends. Pretty sure the Aussies would be there too.
 

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Oh, and yes they could. Missed that first question. Those fucking morons can't get out of their own way. G'nite buddy.
 

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Americans say 55 percent to 38 percent that he is more of a divider than a uniter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/09/12/obama-the-divider/
 
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Thankfully, it's only the fringe left-wing wackos at this point that don't see Obama as a complete inept failure.
 

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He built his image as the guy who got the US out of wars. It was a wish, based solely upon political expediency of course. He's still trying to hold on to this image in spite of reality. I don't care what excuse he makes up to finally act, or about his image or his legacy. I just hope he acts, before he has to react to another jihadi tragedy on American soil.
 

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OK, let's make this easy. Leave dictators in place. When they fuck up we kill them. If their replacement fucks up, we kill them. So on, and so on and so on. They've proved they are scum and don't get it. Stay out of their business otherwise. How hard is that.
By your assertion Maliki should be at the top of the list.
 

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Holding steady

A clear majority of Americans describe President Obama's tenure as a "failure" according to a new poll released Monday.
The survey from IBD/TIPP indicates that 53 percent of adults in the United States now characterize Obama's presidency as a "failure," while 41 percent chalk it up as a success. Half of the people who live in states won by Obama see his tenure negatively, as do 59 percent of those aged 25-44 years old.


[h=1]Poll: Most see Obama as a failure[/h]
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/220008-poll-most-americans-see-obama-as-a-failure
 

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And now the Stuttering Clusterfuck wants everyone to sign a minimum wage petition to "let lawmakers know it's time to give Americans a raise."

Oh.

http://www.barackobama.com/raise-th...source=tw&utm_medium=socnet&awesm=ofa.bo_d17U


Just to illustrate how idiotic this whole concept is...if there is such a thing as a minimum wage, then why not start setting minimum prices on goods and services? Would the same people clamoring for minimum wage be happy if tomorrow, Congress declared every car sold in the US will now have a minimum price tag of $30,000...regardless of make, model or condition? Every gallon of milk must be priced at a minimum of $100. All sandwiches sold will be $20 or higher, and every house for sale must cost $500k or more. The possibilities are endless.

If your argument is "Wait a minute, not all goods and services will be worth that amount of money"...well, golly fucking gee, you just might be on the right track towards figuring out the problem with establishing a minimum wage.
 

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And now the Stuttering Clusterfuck wants everyone to sign a minimum wage petition to "let lawmakers know it's time to give Americans a raise."

Oh.

http://www.barackobama.com/raise-th...source=tw&utm_medium=socnet&awesm=ofa.bo_d17U


Just to illustrate how idiotic this whole concept is...if there is such a thing as a minimum wage, then why not start setting minimum prices on goods and services? Would the same people clamoring for minimum wage be happy if tomorrow, Congress declared every car sold in the US will now have a minimum price tag of $30,000...regardless of make, model or condition? Every gallon of milk must be priced at a minimum of $100. All sandwiches sold will be $20 or higher, and every house for sale must cost $500k or more. The possibilities are endless.

If your argument is "Wait a minute, not all goods and services will be worth that amount of money"...well, golly fucking gee, you just might be on the right track towards figuring out the problem with establishing a minimum wage.

Supply and demand is perhaps one of the most fundamental concepts of economics and it is the backbone of a market economy.

When you start fucking with it, things go horribly wrong.

Just another example of it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

Witness the ACA.
 

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