<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Railbird:
Fishhead
1. USC
2. Iowa
3. Miami F
4. Miami O
5. Florida State
6. Washington State
7. LSU
8. Boise State
9. Oregon State
10.Michigan<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rail get a clue. Miami O is not a top 5 team.
Fishhead
1. USC
2. Iowa
3. Miami F
4. Miami O
5. Florida State
6. Washington State
7. LSU
8. Boise State
9. Oregon State
10.Michigan<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rail get a clue. Miami O is not a top 5 team.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TTinCO:
This is one of the best college defenses I've seen in years.
It would have been awesome to see them play USC...all it would take is a 4 team bracket.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have not seen a better D as I saw last night...
This is one of the best college defenses I've seen in years.
It would have been awesome to see them play USC...all it would take is a 4 team bracket.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have not seen a better D as I saw last night...
Not true Fishhead, Wuerffel threw balls that receivers ran under by getting seperation that just wouldn't be as free as you think, LSU's DB's stick to WR's like glue.
I'm SEC 110%, and those two units would make a nice matchup, I'm just glad that I bet on both in their Sugar Bowls for Hardware..but hell I bet on all SEC teams when playing National Title tilts(sans Neb over Fla in '95, they were too stout and destined, had NU minus 2 or 3?)..SEC is where CBS and ESPN make bank & for good reason!
[This message was edited by Horseshoe on January 06, 2004 at 05:13 AM.]
I'm SEC 110%, and those two units would make a nice matchup, I'm just glad that I bet on both in their Sugar Bowls for Hardware..but hell I bet on all SEC teams when playing National Title tilts(sans Neb over Fla in '95, they were too stout and destined, had NU minus 2 or 3?)..SEC is where CBS and ESPN make bank & for good reason!
[This message was edited by Horseshoe on January 06, 2004 at 05:13 AM.]
Desert Storm was considerably better than LSU's D. Arizona would push people backwards, couple of teams had RED yardage vs Arizona when the had Teddy Brusci, Mcalister, Cecil. If USC has Matt Grotegood healthy its a better D than LSU. Trojans had 2 shutouts this year, if Pete wasnt such a cool guy he could have beat more teams by 40. SEC teams are inept on offense. Mike Williams and Keary Colbert would have a field day vs LSU.
"Miami will blow away Alabama"
Los Angeles Daily News article by Michael Ventre
Jan. 1, 1993 mistake. Most teams look confused and disoriented against Miami anyway. Tonight
NEW ORLEANS -- Miami is No. 1. It will stay that way.
Alabama doesn't have a hope, or a prayer, or a shot in the dark of upsetting the Hurricanes for the national championship in tonight's Sugar Bowl. And it won't even be close. Alabama will be trounced, clobbered, mauled, devastated, humiliated and left for dead. The Crimson Tide will not roll, not even a little bit. Tonight you will experience low Tide. Probably even ebb Tide. You wouldn't even have to hike up your pant legs to wade in what be left of this Tide after the Hurricanes pass through. Here are the reasons why:
Reason No. 1: ATTITUDE
The Alabama people are just too darned nice. They're too respectful. All their players act as if Bear Bryant is waiting in the woodshed with a whittled switch if they misbehave. This may be OK in the SEC, where everybody is like that. But how can you build up a nice healthy hatred for a renegade school like Miami if you spend most of your time acting like Sunday school teachers? You may not like Miami, but they have an attitude. And you NEED an attitude. Just listen to Miami wide receiver Lamar Thomas: "I try to talk to the defensive back as much as possible. When he starts listening, that's when I know I have him in my back pocket."
Reason No. 2: AIR POWER
Alabama believes in establishing its running game. That's dandy, except for the fact that tonight the only running the Crimson Tide will do is running onto the field, and then running off it. Alabama will not be able to move the ball. It won't be able to BUDGE the ball. You will need calipers to measure Alabama's productivity on the ground. So then the Alabama playres will have to throw. And they won't be able to do that, either. And they'll commit turnovers. And then the Miami players will boogie and gyrate as they create a new dance for the occasion. See, Alabama's quarterback is a guy named Jay Barker. He is a nice young man, and when he regains consciousness late tonight, I hope he has a plan for the future that features him as a constructive member of society. Because when the fraternity brothers of I Slamma 'Bama get through with him, the only football he'll ever want to play is Nintendo. Miami, on the other hand, has a Heisman Trophy winner at quarterback in Gino Torretta, a formidable offensive line and a fine group of receivers. "We're too talented," Miami wideout Kevin Williams said. He speaks the truth.
Reason No. 3: COACHING
Don't get me wrong. I like Gene Stallings. He's a terrific coach. He has restored much of the luster to the Alabama tradition. And he has his club on the brink of a national title. But he made a big boo-boo Thursday night. He kept his players at their hotel, the Hilton, instead of packing them up and taking them to some secret location, a la John Thompson of Georgetown and, for that matter, Dennis Erickson of Miami. "They showed Bourbon Street on TV," Erickson said Thursday. "I'm glad I wasn't there. It's unbelievable, all the hoopla....We'll go to someplace so remote even I won't know where it is." That's good. For a game of this magnitude, you have, in no particular order, groupies, derelicts, boosters, maniacs, spouses of boosters, students, drifters, children of boosters and drunken rednecks scattered throughout the teams' hotels, trying to get a piece of the action. This isn't good.. On the night before a game, the team needs to stay together, avoid distractions at all costs and focus on the task at hand. Stallings, though, has chosen to keep his team in the middle of the madness. Big Alabama will look that way during pre-game introductions.
Reason No. 4: KARMA
You just get the overwhelming feeling that its Miami's year again. Little things are adding up. Alabama lost one of its best linebackers for the Sugar Bowl when Michael Rogers was injured in a Christmas Eve car accident. Miami survived the Pell Grant scandal and Hurricane Andrew and the loss of star defensive end Rusty Medaris and is still brazen as ever.
Tonight the Tide won't roll. It will roll over.
Los Angeles Daily News article by Michael Ventre
Jan. 1, 1993 mistake. Most teams look confused and disoriented against Miami anyway. Tonight
NEW ORLEANS -- Miami is No. 1. It will stay that way.
Alabama doesn't have a hope, or a prayer, or a shot in the dark of upsetting the Hurricanes for the national championship in tonight's Sugar Bowl. And it won't even be close. Alabama will be trounced, clobbered, mauled, devastated, humiliated and left for dead. The Crimson Tide will not roll, not even a little bit. Tonight you will experience low Tide. Probably even ebb Tide. You wouldn't even have to hike up your pant legs to wade in what be left of this Tide after the Hurricanes pass through. Here are the reasons why:
Reason No. 1: ATTITUDE
The Alabama people are just too darned nice. They're too respectful. All their players act as if Bear Bryant is waiting in the woodshed with a whittled switch if they misbehave. This may be OK in the SEC, where everybody is like that. But how can you build up a nice healthy hatred for a renegade school like Miami if you spend most of your time acting like Sunday school teachers? You may not like Miami, but they have an attitude. And you NEED an attitude. Just listen to Miami wide receiver Lamar Thomas: "I try to talk to the defensive back as much as possible. When he starts listening, that's when I know I have him in my back pocket."
Reason No. 2: AIR POWER
Alabama believes in establishing its running game. That's dandy, except for the fact that tonight the only running the Crimson Tide will do is running onto the field, and then running off it. Alabama will not be able to move the ball. It won't be able to BUDGE the ball. You will need calipers to measure Alabama's productivity on the ground. So then the Alabama playres will have to throw. And they won't be able to do that, either. And they'll commit turnovers. And then the Miami players will boogie and gyrate as they create a new dance for the occasion. See, Alabama's quarterback is a guy named Jay Barker. He is a nice young man, and when he regains consciousness late tonight, I hope he has a plan for the future that features him as a constructive member of society. Because when the fraternity brothers of I Slamma 'Bama get through with him, the only football he'll ever want to play is Nintendo. Miami, on the other hand, has a Heisman Trophy winner at quarterback in Gino Torretta, a formidable offensive line and a fine group of receivers. "We're too talented," Miami wideout Kevin Williams said. He speaks the truth.
Reason No. 3: COACHING
Don't get me wrong. I like Gene Stallings. He's a terrific coach. He has restored much of the luster to the Alabama tradition. And he has his club on the brink of a national title. But he made a big boo-boo Thursday night. He kept his players at their hotel, the Hilton, instead of packing them up and taking them to some secret location, a la John Thompson of Georgetown and, for that matter, Dennis Erickson of Miami. "They showed Bourbon Street on TV," Erickson said Thursday. "I'm glad I wasn't there. It's unbelievable, all the hoopla....We'll go to someplace so remote even I won't know where it is." That's good. For a game of this magnitude, you have, in no particular order, groupies, derelicts, boosters, maniacs, spouses of boosters, students, drifters, children of boosters and drunken rednecks scattered throughout the teams' hotels, trying to get a piece of the action. This isn't good.. On the night before a game, the team needs to stay together, avoid distractions at all costs and focus on the task at hand. Stallings, though, has chosen to keep his team in the middle of the madness. Big Alabama will look that way during pre-game introductions.
Reason No. 4: KARMA
You just get the overwhelming feeling that its Miami's year again. Little things are adding up. Alabama lost one of its best linebackers for the Sugar Bowl when Michael Rogers was injured in a Christmas Eve car accident. Miami survived the Pell Grant scandal and Hurricane Andrew and the loss of star defensive end Rusty Medaris and is still brazen as ever.
Tonight the Tide won't roll. It will roll over.
Like Mud posted, very similar team is this LSU team to the '92 Bama team, their Offense is just an compliment to their bread-and-butter..DEFENSIVE-DENIAL!
I guess one has to be an SEC die-hard, current Tampa Bay Buc fan, or Orel & '88 Dodgers fan to appreciate a good old-fashioned ugly defensive approach to winning, as the new age of football(Greatest Show on Turf), baseball(Bash Brothers), or Basketball(Sacto Kings) have all brought about a style over substance bias amongst fans of the game.
How many titles do most "showboat" teams win(sans Magic/Kareem/Worthy/Wilkes/Scott '80's Lakeshow..& they played D!) at the end of their run?
USC is great, but they are also glam(LA), glitz makes for pretty tv viewing(toss to Leinart vs Mich), but fact is glam teams can be gummed-up awfully bad by a dynamite Defense(ex:'92 Bama ov Mia, '01 OU ov FSU,,etc..)...just some food for thought.
P.S. Common foe Az had two different players in a write-up say LSU was better when asked(could be bitter bias?), Aubie's Tubberville was diplomatic and said tough call due to seeing the different strengths of each & at different junctures of the campaign(AU's fluctuation of playing level), but most curious was that an Atlanta Falcon scout and two other NFL scouts made mention to a beat writer that asked them what they thought two months ago, he said LSU would be a better potential matchup for OU prior to OU's loss to KSU, as he noted LSU has faster running backs, a better secondary, and plays in a much more physical league.
I guess one has to be an SEC die-hard, current Tampa Bay Buc fan, or Orel & '88 Dodgers fan to appreciate a good old-fashioned ugly defensive approach to winning, as the new age of football(Greatest Show on Turf), baseball(Bash Brothers), or Basketball(Sacto Kings) have all brought about a style over substance bias amongst fans of the game.
How many titles do most "showboat" teams win(sans Magic/Kareem/Worthy/Wilkes/Scott '80's Lakeshow..& they played D!) at the end of their run?
USC is great, but they are also glam(LA), glitz makes for pretty tv viewing(toss to Leinart vs Mich), but fact is glam teams can be gummed-up awfully bad by a dynamite Defense(ex:'92 Bama ov Mia, '01 OU ov FSU,,etc..)...just some food for thought.
P.S. Common foe Az had two different players in a write-up say LSU was better when asked(could be bitter bias?), Aubie's Tubberville was diplomatic and said tough call due to seeing the different strengths of each & at different junctures of the campaign(AU's fluctuation of playing level), but most curious was that an Atlanta Falcon scout and two other NFL scouts made mention to a beat writer that asked them what they thought two months ago, he said LSU would be a better potential matchup for OU prior to OU's loss to KSU, as he noted LSU has faster running backs, a better secondary, and plays in a much more physical league.
USC has every bit the D, LSU has. Matty Grotegood got hurt in week 5. Look at scores after 3 qtrs, teams have very few points. Then Pete will rush 3 and play soft zone, we had Mich shutout for 3 qtrs.
Regarding Az player comments, they are USC rejects, of course they will be negative. LSU is pathetic on offense, they would not hold the ball for 43 mins like Mich. USC would beat LSU by 20+ on a neutral field.
How many SHUTOUTS did LSU pitch? ZERO
How many SHUTOUTS did USC pitch? 2 including an SEC team on the road.
Regarding Az player comments, they are USC rejects, of course they will be negative. LSU is pathetic on offense, they would not hold the ball for 43 mins like Mich. USC would beat LSU by 20+ on a neutral field.
How many SHUTOUTS did LSU pitch? ZERO
How many SHUTOUTS did USC pitch? 2 including an SEC team on the road.
Rail you are freaking clueless. LSU's defense is for real. They shutdown a powerful OU offense & have shut people down all year.
USC's D gives up tons of yardage & can be scored on. It isn't like Michigan didn't move the ball up & down on them. They just didn't get the scores.
OU did jack shit against LSU's D.
USC's D gives up tons of yardage & can be scored on. It isn't like Michigan didn't move the ball up & down on them. They just didn't get the scores.
OU did jack shit against LSU's D.
