http://www.politifact.org/truth-o-meter/article/2009/sep/09/obama-speech-health-care-reform/
Have fun you lying ratwang bastards.
Have fun you lying ratwang bastards.
gee, not one of the liar's lies I pointed out covered, why is that? why don't they fact check reducing costs? reducing the deficit? creating jobs?
the only thing they do say is that his plan won't cover illegals. Big fucking deal, they're not covered today and they cost us 10s of billions each and every year. The issue is he does nothing to address this problem.
No fucking clue to be found
you just can't reason your way out of a paperbag
better sell Punter, insider selling at new highs
Insiders sell like there's no tomorrow
http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/10/news/economy/insider.sales/index.htm
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there's only so much money that can be saved by reducing costs. Eventually, companies have to increase sales.
You do know companies are not making more money because of sales growth, right? Shucks, never mind, you probably don't.
When there's an over retraction in the market because people like you believe the press, the prices will rebound, don'tchaknow?
hno: damn, I did it again
tell me where you disagree
1) illegals are not covered by health insurance today in our country
2) illegals cost us 10s of billions in health care services every year, 40 billion alone in CA
3) Obama's plan does absolutely nothing to stop this abuse
4) The Republicans proposed an amendment to the health care bill which would weed out the ability for illegals to abuse our health care system, the Democrats rejected such amendment.
5) So when Obama addresses the nation saying "illegals will not be covered under his plan", clearly implying he's addressing the aforementioned problem when in reality he's doing absolutely nothing, he his deceiving the American people. He's lying. The enablers will never tell you the truth because they're biased scum.
The straw man argument that the pathological liar, the enablers and the somewhat less than brilliant looney left likes to throw out there is that illegals will not literally be covered by "health insurance", but the issue is that they still receive "health care".
I know the Punters and the GTCs and many others can never understand this, but I actually expect more from you.
If I were you, I would never answer a question directly either. It takes some skills and a wee bit of knowledge.
White House Admits Wilson Was Right
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September 12, 2009 Posted by John at 9:04 AM
Last night, as part of its now-traditional Friday night news dump, the White House put out a "clarification" of the Obama administration's position on participation in its proposed health care plan by illegal aliens. For the first time, the White House acknowledged that it will be necessary to implement a verification system so that illegals can't sign up for Obama's proposed insurance exchange:
Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don't participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.
President Obama has thus endorsed the Republican rather than the Democratic position on this issue. In the House Ways and Means Committee, the Republicans tried to amend the Democrats' health care bill to require use of the SAVE system or a similar safeguard, but their amendment was voted down on a straight party-line vote, confirming that the Democrats did indeed intend for illegal immigrants to obtain coverage under Obamacare:
The House bill, as currently structured, does not offer clear guidelines to ensure that illegal immigrants cannot access taxpayer-funded health care benefits. Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV) introduced an amendment that would use two citizenship status verification systems, the Income and Eligibility Verification System (IEVS) and Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) programs, to establish an individual's eligibility to obtain the bill's proposed affordability credits or enroll in the public insurance option. Both programs are currently used to determine citizenship status and eligibility for public assistance programs. Safeguards to guarantee that only citizens can access federal health care benefits are necessary, considering that the US Census Bureau currently estimates that 9.6 million of the uninsured are not US citizens. The first Heller amendment failed on a straight party-line vote.
In effect, President Obama has now admitted that Joe Wilson was right. That doesn't mean, of course, that any verification system will actually be included should Obamacare become law. If controversy over the issue has died down by the time legislation is actually enacted, Congressional Democrats likely will omit such safeguards from the final version of whatever bill eventually passes.
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that's actually good news MJ
we're making a wee bit of progress
he's now acknowledged that a verification process must be added, which will cut down on abuses if enforced
and
tort reform should be considered
Isa relly justa tiinks hesa fuckwitus, and it not be enough just yet
we're making a wee bit of progress
he's now acknowledged that a verification process must be added, which will cut down on abuses if enforced
and
tort reform should be considered
Isa relly justa tiinks hesa fuckwitus, and it not be enough just yet
