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Honey Badger Don't Give A Shit
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i wrote about her in one of my rants. no different than a million other grandmothers, rich or poor.

Okay...so the axiom, "The more you make, the more you spend" was founded only on her own personal experience.

I'm from a bit further southwest than yourself....Down in North Texas, we would refer to that as a "back porch bromide".
 

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and then tax them more. if i was 80 and was good till i died i wouldn't care. i'm 32. i'm researching the health care issue now and am finding myself more open to this thing but am still undecided. thing is, at some point, where do you stop? with the exception disabled and elderly Americans, who do we have a moral duty to provide for?

Did you read the chart I pasted about what has happend to the bottom 80% of our population in the last 30 years?

Do you know whats causing it? The rich are buying our elected officials (both parties). It cost so much to get elected now that political favors go to the highest bidder. Dont cry for the rich, they have not been crying for you.
 

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Okay...so the axiom, "The more you make, the more you spend" was founded only on her own personal experience.

I'm from a bit further southwest than yourself....Down in North Texas, we would refer to that as a "back porch bromide".

she grew up in the depression, supported an alcoholic husband, blah blah blah. it matters to me, not to you, probly no more than your grandmother's words mean to me. but as i grew older i understood the meaning behind her words as much as i learned the meaning behind "don't buy the papers till you get the bag."
 

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Again...nothing I wrote was intended to slur your grandmother.

Rather, it was just a whimsical observation of how various bromides and axioms make it into the language even though often don't apply.

For example, for many people, in fact, "the more you make, the less you spend" (percentage wise).
 

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Don't buy the papers until you get the bag


Never heard that one....explain

oh wait.....NOW i get it


(I'm a vaporizer or pipe man, myself)
 

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Don't buy the papers until you get the bag


Never heard that one....explain

oh wait.....NOW i get it


(I'm a vaporizer or pipe man, myself)

lol, one time out of 10 i could roll the perfect fattie, but it was always dumb luck. nothing like being broke and scraping what you you can off the screen though....<><>
 

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I love how people are tossing around that it ain't gonna cost anybody anything poppycock

medicare, the government run health care program that covers a relatively small % of Americans, is 85.6 trillion dollars in the hole. We haven't even paid for that program yet!!!!!!!!

what does it take? I guess some are hopeless

The existing government run health care system,

Medicare has a 85.6 trillion dollar deficit
 

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How many times can people argue that some politician is going to fix everything (even stuff that most Americans don't need fixing) and improve everything and you won't have to pay one penny and the richest Americans will only have to pay some insignificant amount?

how many times can people fall for that same stupid argument?

things needed to improve critical / analytical thinking

1) improved math skills
2) a history lesson
3) facts
4) common sense (we need to develop a pill for this one)

things that defeat critical thinking

1) talking points
2) listening to the enablers
3) misguided compassion

stop allowing yourself to be swindled by scam artists! do you believe you had a rich uncle that died in Niger too?

:lol:
 

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Roll call, who actually believes that only the very wealthy will be paying the estimated 1.5 trillion dollar tab?
 

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The legislation is especially onerous for business owners, in part because it penalizes employers with a payroll bigger than $400,000 some 8 percent of wages if they don't offer health care.
But the cost of the buy-in to the program may be so prohibitive that it will dissuade owners from growing their businesses -- a scary prospect in the midst of a recession.



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they want to encourage small businesses to not grow or to otherwise reduce their payroll below $ 400,000


it just keeps getting better and better


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Everyone's got a different point of personal chastisement.

Me? I'd likely be embarrassed if I was making millions and couldn't figure out a way to offset a 5% income tax increase.

You'll never be embarrassed.
 

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The legislation is especially onerous for business owners, in part because it penalizes employers with a payroll bigger than $400,000 some 8 percent of wages if they don't offer health care.
But the cost of the buy-in to the program may be so prohibitive that it will dissuade owners from growing their businesses -- a scary prospect in the midst of a recession.



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they want to encourage small businesses to not grow or to otherwise reduce their payroll below $ 400,000


it just keeps getting better and better


@)

You have no idea....

It's Not An Option

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Congress: It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.

When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

From the beginning, opponents of the public option plan have warned that if the government gets into the business of offering subsidized health insurance coverage, the private insurance market will wither. Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage.

The nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated in April that 120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, "fizzle out altogether."

What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law.

The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs.

With HSAs out of the way, a key obstacle to the left's expansion of the welfare state will be removed.

The public option won't be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care. A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny.

Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives.

It took just 16 pages of reading to find this naked attempt by the political powers to increase their reach. It's scary to think how many more breaches of liberty we'll come across in the final 1,002.

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