Kobe bryant is the best player in the nba

[Snookslayer]

I've always hated the Valuable part of any sport's MVP award. An annual award for being valuable to a team? Who gives a flying crap about that? It should go to the player who had the best season like the Heisman.


Based on stats and wins it should go Kobe this year. Based on value it should go to who gives a sh*t.

 

[gtc08]

if you had to pick 1 one of the 3, who would you pick to represent the nba?


i'd go with wade.

 

[homedawg]

Can't go wrong with Kobe-Lebron-Wade

 

[NumberZ]

the game of basketball is more than scoring

if you determine best by who score the most then its Kobe, Wade, then Lebron

Kobe and Wade are averaging 21.6 shot attempts a game
Lebron is at 19.9 attempts a game but he is 2nd in league in scoring behind Wade

Kobe and Wade are natural scorers, they look for the points every time. I think if Lebron was more of a shoot 1st selfish player he could average 35+ points a game. He always looks to past 1st much like magic

(between these 3)
all around best = lebron
driving to the basket/ creating his own shot = wade
shooting/scoring = kobe

As you said the game of basketball is more than just scoring. More than just stats, etc etc. You mentioned, driving to the basket, creating your own shot, shooting/scoring, but you did not mention the killer instinct and competitive drive that it takes to be considered the best. More so, the killer instinct than anything else. That illusive "it", which some players have and other simply don't. It is what separates the best in a given sport, from the greats. Brady in the NFL is a perfect example, as was Joe Montana. In the NBA nobody has "it" the way Kobe does, most people would agree on this. His killer instinct is unparalleled. And it is what separates him from the rest, imo. He's just got "it", like nobody else does. If Lebron could repeat that performance he had against the Pistons in game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals, with some consistency, then maybe you can put him above Kobe when talking about who is the best. But that is not the case, and until it becomes the case, Kobe deserves to be recognized as the best player in the NBA right now, imo. The guy just came off a game, where he scored 31 points in the 2H, and 18 points in the last 4 minutes of a game on the road, where he was being defended by one of the best defensive players in the league, in Ron Artest, to carry his team to victory. This is something he does on a consistent basis, more so than any other player does. Simply put, Kobe's got that "it" like nobody else does. Lebron may be worthy of cosideration, one day, but that day is not today. Kobe can take over a game like nobody else can, and does so on a consistent basis. It is this unique killer instinct and competitive drive, that makes him the best the game has to offer right now, imo.

 

[HonestRob]

Kobe and Wade are natural scorers, they look for the points every time. I think if Lebron was more of a shoot 1st selfish player he could average 35+ points a game. He always looks to past 1st much like magic

Then why is Wade averaging way more assists per game than both Lebron and Kobe? Wade isn't a shoot first player. He's a team player. He fills up the stat sheet like few players do. Points, assists, blocks(he's a guard), steals etc. He does it all.

APG
Wade - 7.7
Lebron - 7.1
Kobe - 4.9

Also you can talk about shot attempts but Wade leads the three in FG% so his shots are falling more often than Lebron or Kobe's.

 

[fuloser]

LOL...Let me know when he can do it in the clutch and also bring the dagger.

http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Let me know when Kobe can actually NOT go 25% on game winning shots. Please, do some research before you talk out of your ass.

 

[shibbets]

kobe

 

[louisvillekid]

hard to argue with Kobe being the best all around, i still dislike the Lakers, but i give Kobe his props.

 

[halekulani]

Then why is Wade averaging way more assists per game than both Lebron and Kobe? Wade isn't a shoot first player. He's a team player. He fills up the stat sheet like few players do. Points, assists, blocks(he's a guard), steals etc. He does it all.

APG
Wade - 7.7
Lebron - 7.1
Kobe - 4.9

Also you can talk about shot attempts but Wade leads the three in FG% so his shots are falling more often than Lebron or Kobe's.

blocks are weakside
just because you get blocks or steals doesn't make you a good defender. you could just be gambling a lot.

that aside, wade is a good defender.

and since when is .6 WAY more assists than bron? seriously?
kobe understandable, but kobe isn't a great passer to begin with. too many TOs


MVP has always been, with few exceptions, the best player on the best team.

 

[halekulani]

http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Let me know when Kobe can actually NOT go 25% on game winning shots. Please, do some research before you talk out of your ass.

yeah except the data may or may not include true game winning shots

there's a difference between scoring at the buzzer and scoring with 24 seconds or less. all it is is a revised version of the clutch statistic. the title is misleading.

 

[halekulani]

Lebron is the best...works with nothing around him
Wade is second...also has nothing to work with
Kobe is great, but doesn't have to carry the team like James and Wade

lebron just got mo williams. how is that nothing?
he actually has a supporting cast this year.
taking a team with smush parker and kwame brown to the fucking playoffs in the western conference is the definition of nothing.

wade has nobody but he's also playing in the eastern conference...while he plays boston, cleveland, and orlando more frequently, the caliber of teams from 4-8 are far crappier than the west's 4-8

 

[ham]

lebron just got mo williams. how is that nothing?
he actually has a supporting cast this year.
taking a team with smush parker and kwame brown to the fucking playoffs in the western conference is the definition of nothing.

wade has nobody but he's also playing in the eastern conference...while he plays boston, cleveland, and orlando more frequently, the caliber of teams from 4-8 are far crappier than the west's 4-8

Agreed.

A lot of people wanna argue that if you take out Lebron out of the Cavs and Kobe out of the Lakers, Lakers would be the far superior team. WRONG.

The Lakers are built around Kobe Bryant. And because Kobe is able to pick up a ton of slack, they really have no other play makers on that team. Fisher is nothing like a point guard, and Farmar is the worst point guard of all contenders.

Cavs still have Mo Williams and Delonte West, who they just acquired pretty recently with Ben Wallace and Wally. This is a different Cavs team.

For the Lakers, the only big difference is Pau Gasol, but the cast that has been bashed in the last few years, is still in tact. They just got better under Kobe's wings and Phil's system. And that speaks volumes of Kobe's effect on players. Look at how much Lebron has improved since Kobe started mentoring him. How these idiots are gonna say that the student has surpassed the teacher, is beyond common sense.

 

[ham]

As you said the game of basketball is more than just scoring. More than just stats, etc etc. You mentioned, driving to the basket, creating your own shot, shooting/scoring, but you did not mention the killer instinct and competitive drive that it takes to be considered the best. More so, the killer instinct than anything else. That illusive "it", which some players have and other simply don't. It is what separates the best in a given sport, from the greats. Brady in the NFL is a perfect example, as was Joe Montana. In the NBA nobody has "it" the way Kobe does, most people would agree on this. His killer instinct is unparalleled. And it is what separates him from the rest, imo. He's just got "it", like nobody else does. If Lebron could repeat that performance he had against the Pistons in game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals, with some consistency, then maybe you can put him above Kobe when talking about who is the best. But that is not the case, and until it becomes the case, Kobe deserves to be recognized as the best player in the NBA right now, imo. The guy just came off a game, where he scored 31 points in the 2H, and 18 points in the last 4 minutes of a game on the road, where he was being defended by one of the best defensive players in the league, in Ron Artest, to carry his team to victory. This is something he does on a consistent basis, more so than any other player does. Simply put, Kobe's got that "it" like nobody else does. Lebron may be worthy of cosideration, one day, but that day is not today. Kobe can take over a game like nobody else can, and does so on a consistent basis. It is this unique killer instinct and competitive drive, that makes him the best the game has to offer right now, imo.

Completely agree with your analysis.

Lebron might be considered the best one day, but that day is not today. He just doesn't have that killer instinct, and he still gets shut down in games (vs Lakers this year, @ Boston, @ Houston, etc).

You cannot shut down Kobe.

When Lebron can't make plays or shots, you could see the frustration and confusion in his body language. He starts to take a backseat to his teammates and hopes something will turn out. Kobe on the other hand can miss 10 straight shots, and he still demands the rock like he's been on fire.

 

[Shub]

Kobe is the MVP, the best player on the best team. Nobody has worked harder, put in hours upon hours of improving his game than kobe. This man sacrifices his social life just to be the best. Kobe doesn't go out drinking and to the strip clubs(like bron bron) he is at home watching tape of his next opponent. If the game was on the line and I had to pick one player to have the last shot there is no doubt it would be kobe. Lebron is great in his own right but he does no have the crown right now. Dwayne Wade is also worthy of mention but his team is sub par. Plus neither one of those guys could ever drop 81 or 69(in 3 Qtrs vs the Mavericks) Every night Kobe against the teams best perimeter defender and he usually guards the opposing teams best perimeter player. He gets everyones best shot every night. He never takes a night off and plays with the passion and emotion of one Micheal Jeffrey Jordan. Lebron might wear 23 but he is not even close to mike. You cant teach competitiveness.@)@)

 

[Mr_Mark]

As you said the game of basketball is more than just scoring. More than just stats, etc etc. You mentioned, driving to the basket, creating your own shot, shooting/scoring, but you did not mention the killer instinct and competitive drive that it takes to be considered the best. More so, the killer instinct than anything else. That illusive "it", which some players have and other simply don't. It is what separates the best in a given sport, from the greats. Brady in the NFL is a perfect example, as was Joe Montana. In the NBA nobody has "it" the way Kobe does, most people would agree on this. His killer instinct is unparalleled. And it is what separates him from the rest, imo. He's just got "it", like nobody else does. If Lebron could repeat that performance he had against the Pistons in game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals, with some consistency, then maybe you can put him above Kobe when talking about who is the best. But that is not the case, and until it becomes the case, Kobe deserves to be recognized as the best player in the NBA right now, imo. The guy just came off a game, where he scored 31 points in the 2H, and 18 points in the last 4 minutes of a game on the road, where he was being defended by one of the best defensive players in the league, in Ron Artest, to carry his team to victory. This is something he does on a consistent basis, more so than any other player does. Simply put, Kobe's got that "it" like nobody else does. Lebron may be worthy of cosideration, one day, but that day is not today. Kobe can take over a game like nobody else can, and does so on a consistent basis. It is this unique killer instinct and competitive drive, that makes him the best the game has to offer right now, imo.

That is very true kobes killer instinct is the top of the chart, and out of all of his skills that is my favorite one of him. but sometimes kobes killer instinct makes him make alot of bad decesions, he forces alot of bad shots and when he makes 1 of out 4 that was considered a great shot?? if someone else had dont that, everyone would of said its about time, finally he makes one. but not when it comes to kobe, I never understood that lol
but when a person is judged by intentions its a preference. would you rather have a player like kwame brown, who doesnt look like he give 110% but can get maybe 10points 10rebs in 40 min of play.... or a guy like mark madsen who tries his hardest every sec but gets dunked on, fouls, and get 4 points 5 rebs in 40 min?? yea madsen has the killer insticnt that brown doesnt who is more effective?? the killer instinct is a preference in my opinion. but it is one that i would want in a player if i was a coach

 

[G$$]

Kobe is the MVP, the best player on the best team. Nobody has worked harder, put in hours upon hours of improving his game than kobe. This man sacrifices his social life just to be the best. Kobe doesn't go out drinking and to the strip clubs(like bron bron) he is at home watching tape of his next opponent. If the game was on the line and I had to pick one player to have the last shot there is no doubt it would be kobe. Lebron is great in his own right but he does no have the crown right now. Dwayne Wade is also worthy of mention but his team is sub par. Plus neither one of those guys could ever drop 81 or 69(in 3 Qtrs vs the Mavericks) Every night Kobe against the teams best perimeter defender and he usually guards the opposing teams best perimeter player. He gets everyones best shot every night. He never takes a night off and plays with the passion and emotion of one Micheal Jeffrey Jordan. Lebron might wear 23 but he is not even close to mike. You cant teach competitiveness.@)@)

Dont agree with everything you said in there, but Kobe is a hard worker,

I read an article when kobe first came in to the league and how he got some much attention for his work ethic and one of the writers who interviewed him said that he was genuine about his passion for the game. that it wasnt about the money to him, he grew up rich and it was purely about being a winner. That other nba players who have more talent than kobe dont try as hard, on the court or in the weight room. and that kobe was dedicated like no other.
what was interesting was after the lakers had that bum season after losing to the pistons in the finals, there was another article about kobes work ethic and how they said it just got more serious, but how it wasnt about being a winner anymore it was about winning as a team. i took him a while to realize. but i think kobe is the hardest worker and he does try every night. whether lakers are up by 20 or down by 20 he is putting in the effort. he is a passionate player and he sure shows it.

 

[halekulani]

kobe is not unstoppable

the person stopping kobe bryant is kobe bryant

he will take bad shots or try to do too much. but when you're as good as he is, it's pretty hard to draw the line between what is feasible and what isn't so you just try it anyways.

as for lebron, don't tell me he doesn't have a killer instinct. he took the C's to 7 games last year by himself and has his team sitting at the 2nd best record in the league.

 

[yanni_gogolak]

Then why is Wade averaging way more assists per game than both Lebron and Kobe? Wade isn't a shoot first player. He's a team player. He fills up the stat sheet like few players do. Points, assists, blocks(he's a guard), steals etc. He does it all.

APG
Wade - 7.7
Lebron - 7.1
Kobe - 4.9

Also you can talk about shot attempts but Wade leads the three in FG% so his shots are falling more often than Lebron or Kobe's.

after last night Lebron is at 7.2, so wade is 0.5 better, not that big of a difference when you look at the fall off to kobe who is -2.3 from lebron

wade killing it in steals, but lebron killing it in rebounds.
lebron better 3 pt% & ft% than wade
lebron is 0.9% behind wade in fg%, again, not that big of a difference
wade is also avg. 0.46 more to's per game

lebron was the best player last year, had less players to go to than kobe. this year mo williams made a huge difference. so the way the voting works is lebron is due, wade will be in the near future i would think.

 

[fuloser]

LeBron had the worst supporting cast statistically last year and the year they made the finals.

Making the finals with the group of bums he did isn't an accomplishment? Get real.

As for his team this year? Consider this. Mo Williams was a second option on Milwaukee with MICHAEL REDD and Bogut. Imagine Mo being a first option and delonte your second with Sasha, Z, and Varejao. You're telling me that's a playoff team? Even in the East? Haha, come on now. That would easily be the worst team in the league.

And in terms of the game winning shot stats; they aren't misleading at all. THose include buzzer beaters, and shots that GIVE you the win with ANY time remaining are what make you clutch, not just shots at the sound of the buzzer. Hitting a shot leaving 2 seconds left doesn't count as a buzzer beater, but it sure as hell is a game winner.

 

[HonestRob]

after last night Lebron is at 7.2, so wade is 0.5 better, not that big of a difference when you look at the fall off to kobe who is -2.3 from lebron

wade killing it in steals, but lebron killing it in rebounds.
lebron better 3 pt% & ft% than wade
lebron is 0.9% behind wade in fg%, again, not that big of a difference
wade is also avg. 0.46 more to's per game

lebron was the best player last year, had less players to go to than kobe. this year mo williams made a huge difference. so the way the voting works is lebron is due, wade will be in the near future i would think.

I agree that it's real close between Lebron and Wade I just think Wade edges him out. Of all those statistics the more important ones are the one's where Wade is ahead. For example, FG% is much more important than just 3pt%. Lebron definitely has Wade in rebounds but Wade is a guard so it's unrealistic to expect him to have more rebounds but it's pretty astonishing that even though he is a guard he's leading both Lebron and Kobe in blocks. Wade does have more TO but he makes up for that by having more assists and steals. Wade may average 0.46 more TO per game but he also averages 0.53 more steals per game. Almost a wash but again Wade edges out Lebron.