Kirby Zhang is done posting here.

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Well #1, I agree with the post where I think Kirby has thicker skin. Come on Kirby, shrug it off. #2 who gives a rats ass if your line is not the same line as dick heads that are folowing. Call the damn thing a teaser. #3 even if the complainers have a book that owns their ass, Kirby posts exact scores, anyone that has followed him knows that. Kirby is one of the few that actually does this. So there is no question "what if", no matter what the line is.

Kirby, I hope you shrug it off and I will be looking forward to tomorrow's picks. BOL.
 

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WTF is wrong with this site? It's almost like its being run by a bunch of 12 year olds. Some random fuck (SEC) makes a "claim" and it's time to hassle Kirby. why not makle SEC back up his claim with factual evidence b4 hassling kirby?

From what I've heard this site has a reputation of running off people that they don't like regardless of their handicapping ability. Shit, they let young krammerfuck ramble on and (and was most likely banned as another poster) but they run off Kirby because of 1 "claim"

In addition, you gets guys like romecloneout and his 100 posts who has never posted in any of kirby's threads but feels compelled to pile on. Or is that just a certain someone's backup username that he uses to ball wash himself?


sorry guy i dont have as many posts as you......but dude said he would not post here anymore.....so who gives a shit then he comes back to give his email with his little to friends so he can sell his picks.......hahah seen this before...if you say your done posting then done fuckin come back......hahaha you guys are great drama....
 

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True as far as it comes to NCAA Football ( outside of the Bowl games )

But for the Record....Randizzle wasn't run off the RX.
( someone posted )

He stop posting when his Run, Ran out....

Exactly! He always said college football was his main sport! Never claimed to be anything special in baskets!
 

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WTF is wrong with this site? It's almost like its being run by a bunch of 12 year olds. Some random fuck (SEC) makes a "claim" and it's time to hassle Kirby. why not makle SEC back up his claim with factual evidence b4 hassling kirby?

From what I've heard this site has a reputation of running off people that they don't like regardless of their handicapping ability. Shit, they let young krammerfuck ramble on and (and was most likely banned as another poster) but they run off Kirby because of 1 "claim"

In addition, you gets guys like romecloneout and his 100 posts who has never posted in any of kirby's threads but feels compelled to pile on. Or is that just a certain someone's backup username that he uses to ball wash himself?


sorry guy i dont have as many posts as you......but dude said he would not post here anymore.....so who gives a shit then he comes back to give his email with his little to friends so he can sell his picks.......hahah seen this before...if you say your done posting then done fuckin come back......hahaha you guys are great drama....

Wow that is some serious speculation right there... Dude if you don't care don't post in this thread, he was letting people who liked his threads and followed his tips know. Not idiots that wanted talk shit.

Anyway kirby sorry to see you go! Shit sucks, let us know if you start a blog somewhere or something, will hit your email up I guess. Kirby's posts were pretty much the only ones I followed around here I liked reading up and learning about the sport and also how he bet when he showed his actual bet receipts.

Ahhh well.... that sucks - guess I won't be on here as much now.
 

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For The Record my private PM was not about Kirby using bad lines.

I added the widely available lines as a suggestion to make his selections more player friendly. I never suggested he was using bad lines. See post # 3 written last February: http://64.40.114.10/showthread.php?t=352332

The entire matter originated from a new poster who is a ghost making accusations about Kirby. I made that very clear.

Here is a link to his thread I made him post in the Rubber Room.

http://64.40.114.10/showthread.php?t=681165


Copy of my personal message kindly asking him to keep his record accurate because he was being accused of keeping inaccurate records. The Widely Available Numbers speech is one I use often to posters who develop a following. At times I was courteous amd simply letting Kirby know he has detractors who are making accusations.

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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Hello Kirby, I am writing to let you know that there is some new poster who calls himself S.E.C (also same IP as Poster Falco) is claiming you are keeping inaccurate records in your daily update threads. Please make every effort to be accurate with you record keeping and please use widely available lines when you post a pick. I have to guess it is an old enemy of yours.

When you post a pick please use numbers that are widley available at the time of you're post. WA or widley available lines make it easy for everyone to use the play.

Remember this is not a popularity contest but a handicapping forum - lets make it as easy as possible for everyone to participate. If you use free half point outs simply state so.

Laying -6 at 7AM yourself then posting that same pick at the same -6 when it is up to -7 or 7.5 by 4PM when you get a chance to post helps no one. There is no -6 to be had and -7 or -7.5 is a long way off -6.

The same goes for baseball posting a favorite at -125 when you played it the night before and saying it is a play when the game is now -145 the next afternoon when you post does little good for anyone. Remember post the number that is widley available for all at the time of you're post.

Thanks much, wilheim


If he wants to leave then perhaps that is best because IMO anyone who is in the right and has a oz of pride at all would stand up to their accuser and proove them wrong. If Kirby has nothing to hide then why is he running.


Best of luck Kirby, wilheim.


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Post made by S.E.C. that prompted the private message.

Kirby Zhang Investor subpoenaed by the S.E.C. Letter Inside!
<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->This post was originally submitted on 5/4 to the NBA Forum. Moderatos did not post stating no arguing allowed. Post it in Rubber Room. Kirby Zhang is misleading posters.

Please let Kirby know he has mail in the Rubber Room, we can't contact him because its arguing.

The original Letter:


Hello Young Mr Zhang:


Oh no you didn't.


Misleading investors is not a nice thing to do. You changed your record:


Monday it read: As of 5/3 63-38-3

Tuesday it reads: As of 5/1 68-43-3


Correct record 64-41-3


You changed 2 things; The 'As of date' and the record. 2 changes indicating preconceived intent and not an innocent error.


Not nice Young Mr Zhang, not nice.


Since you are playing fast and lose with your record keeping we decided to audit you.




After an audit of your Won Lost record by the Scamming Enforcement Center (S.E.C.) We have discovered some discrepancies, in particular your propensity to use ML results and mix them in with your Pointspread results. The mixture is a common sleight of hand used to inflate the overall winning percentage and quickly gain many admirers and followers. We see you've been here a month, we hope you have enjoyed your stay so far.

The ML/PS mixture has been used here multiple times by others who have also been warned.


The games in question Mr. Zhang are all ML wagers:


4/8 Golden State ML Lost -320
4/26 Houston ML Lost -230
4/28 Boston ML Lost- 450
4/30 Philly ML Lost- 235.


You provided no disclosure on the amount of money lost leaving your investors to erroneously conclude it was 110 per wager.


The results from the 4 losers total $1235 a nice chunk and much more than the $440 that the 4 losers would yield laying 110 (Part of the sleight of hand is not disclosing UNIT amounts.)


We can correct the ML/Pointspread discrepancy as follows:


All bets are 110 so dividing $1235 by 110 we get 11.22. bets lost


Young Mr Zhang's record going into May 5<SUP>th</SUP> is 64-41 or 60.95%


Adjusting for the lost bets 64-11= 53 and 41+11= 52


New adjusted record 53-52 or 50.47%


Your investors are losing money, Young Mr Zhang.


We only audited from 4/1 and such we can only comment on that time frame. We can speculate though that the ML bets have been ongoing prior to our audit, making the record probably even worse than the present 51%.

We also notice that you don't include you massive loses in exotic wagers in your overall record. Granted you also don't include your winnings, but it may be due to the fact that there has been none.


Proper record keeping is a must.


I don't envy your position Young Mr Zhang. If you claim ignorance, then your investors will question your overall basic gambling knowledge. If you acknowledge what you are doing then... well, like I said, I don't envy your position.


We have no issue with you Young Mr Zhang properly posting a pointspread record separate from your ML with an understanding of what a one unit bet is for both.


Veteran posters here are a savvy bunch, Young Mr. Zhang, We at the SEC not the only one that noticed, We are just the only ones that had nothing better to do today.


We also found more ghosts than at a cemetery on Halloween, but that is a job for the Ghostbuster Branch of the SEC and not currently our jurisdiction.


You have alluded to a recording career Young Mr Zhang as well as to your education. The SEC agrees with your parents, we also suggest you finish your education first, Music and gambling can wait.


Moderators you are welcome to check for yourselves, this is not bashing, just full disclosure for all posters to see.


Young Mr Zhang was banned previously, although only momentarily for questionable practices; his banning got our curiosity up and we performed a cursory check of his record.

S.E.C.
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Kirby maybe the answer to most of the controversy & solve any future problems would be to somewhat adjust the way you keep your record by listing the juice on each game as well as your units won/lost. Just so you know as well, someone also brought up that your parlays are not listed in your won/lost record. But that is something that people have different opinions on as to whether or not they should be included with regular plays in the won/lost column, so that is up to you and/or others on how they want to view it or approach it. We're in the midst of the NBA Playoffs with some big series coming up and you have some posters who like following & interacting with you, so stick around & give it another shot......
 

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So let's get this straight:

Some guy on an alternate account decides he wants to run a respected capper off the site by accusing him of lying about his record, all the while speaking in third person like he is important. Scamming Enforcement Center? Subpoenas? Give me a break. While I understand you can't keep anyone from posting on here, I think it ruins the integrity of the board when you have trolls posting stuff like that. But what do I know, I'm just a newbie.
 

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So let's get this straight:

Some guy on an alternate account decides he wants to run a respected capper off the site by accusing him of lying about his record, all the while speaking in third person like he is important. Scamming Enforcement Center? Subpoenas? Give me a break. While I understand you can't keep anyone from posting on here, I think it ruins the integrity of the board when you have trolls posting stuff like that. But what do I know, I'm just a newbie.



You are right dnk, but the "new" poster found something that he wanted to point out & says the posting-history backs up his accusations & facts.

Heck, I remember a couple of years ago I got called out for not updating my record one night, and I had actually WON the night before that would have made the record even better, so why in the heck would I have done it intentionally! LOL
 

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Some guy on an alternate account decides he wants to run a respected capper off the site by accusing him of lying about his record, all the while speaking in third person like he is important. Scamming Enforcement Center? Subpoenas? Give me a break. While I understand you can't keep anyone from posting on here, I think it ruins the integrity of the board when you have trolls posting stuff like that. But what do I know, I'm just a newbie.

First of all I made sure the accusations by S.E.C. were posted in The Rubber Room which is what it is for. Then I made a courteous and private PM and sent it to Kirby informing him that someone was questioning his record keeping. No one was allowed to troll. This poster SEC posted certain descrepancies in Kirby's record in the Rubber Room, not here in the NBA Forum where he admittedely tried to post but it was blocked by moderators.

Posters like yourself should do your own due diligence when following an out of the blue poster like kirby, (He just joined The Rx.com in March of 2009) who posts all kinds of various wagers but does not keep an accurate record. Keeping an acurate YTD record with units won and lost is not rocket science, simply record wins and loses from the previous night along with recommended units or dollar amounts.

Example:

Posted last night around Midnight EDT:

YTD
sides 52-59 (47%) -1290
totals 77-56 (58%) +2145
overall 129-115 (53%) +855

5/8
2 units
[720] TOTAL u194-110 (LA LAKERS vrs HOUSTON)


Best of luck, wilheim
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First of all I made sure the accusations by S.E.C. were posted in The Rubber Room which is what it is for. Then I made a courteous and private PM and sent it to Kirby informing him that someone was questioning his record keeping. No one was allowed to troll. This poster SEC posted certain descrepancies in Kirby's record in the Rubber Room, not here in the NBA Forum where he admittedely tried to post but it was blocked by moderators.

Posters like yourself should do your own due diligence when following an out of the blue poster like kirby, (He just joined The Rx.com in March of 2009) who posts all kinds of various wagers but does not keep an accurate record. Keeping an acurate YTD record with units won and lost is not rocket science, simply record wins and loses from the previous night along with recommended units or dollar amounts.



Example:

Posted last night around Midnight EDT:

YTD
sides 52-59 (47%) -1290
totals 77-56 (58%) +2145
overall 129-115 (53%) +855

5/8
2 units
[720] TOTAL u194-110 (LA LAKERS vrs HOUSTON)


Best of luck, wilheim
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Why not just ignore that SEC dude? you said yourself he is a ghost. By sending kirby a pm you make it sound like you think SEC's accusations carry some weight. I know as the site owner you have responsibilities but why not just write SEC of as a troll with an agenda?
 

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You are right dnk, but the "new" poster found something that he wanted to point out & says the posting-history backs up his accusations & facts.

Heck, I remember a couple of years ago I got called out for not updating my record one night, and I had actually WON the night before that would have made the record even better, so why in the heck would I have done it intentionally! LOL


Thanks for the reply bro. Yea, I didn't realize how anal people can get but we are talking about money afterall, so I can see why people would flip out, especially when they are down. Was there actual truth to the guys accusations?

First of all I made sure the accusations by S.E.C. were posted in The Rubber Room which is what it is for. Then I made a courteous and private PM and sent it to Kirby informing him that someone was questioning his record keeping. No one was allowed to troll. This poster SEC posted certain descrepancies in Kirby's record in the Rubber Room, not here in the NBA Forum where he admittedely tried to post but it was blocked by moderators.

Posters like yourself should do your own due diligence when following an out of the blue poster like kirby, (He just joined The Rx.com in March of 2009) who posts all kinds of various wagers but does not keep an accurate record. Keeping an acurate YTD record with units won and lost is not rocket science, simply record wins and loses from the previous night along with recommended units or dollar amounts.

Thanks for the reply. I glossed over some of the details in the original post you had made so I missed some key information (like the stuff about the Rubber Room). My question is: Was Kirby actually lying about his record or was it an honest mistake? He was making bets everyday and one could easily make a mistake when calculating their picks, especially when people make more picks than they actually post and how different people calculate their wins/losses. For example, say you make two bets, one straight up and one parlay:

Straight bet
Lakers -1 (-110)

Parlay
Lakers -1 (-110)
Lakers - Over 194

If the Lakers covered the spread but went under, would you consider your record to be 2-1 or 1-1, as the same bet (Lakers -1) was in two locations?

Furthermore, I think anyone that is blindly following someone's picks is looking to lose their $. I thought this forum was basically people posting their picks to give others an idea of how they're betting, as that is what I use this forum for. I usually make my own picks based on the knowledge I have about the sport along with occassionaly taking other posters predictions into consideration.
 

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Example:

Posted last night around Midnight EDT:

YTD
sides 52-59 (47%) -1290
totals 77-56 (58%) +2145
overall 129-115 (53%) +855

5/8
2 units
[720] TOTAL u194-110 (LA LAKERS vrs HOUSTON)


Best of luck, wilheim
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Wil-

Don't drag me into this. :ohno:

BTW, who is this Kirby guy? :lol:
 

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Kirby,

lose the fucking ego, get your head out of your ass and start posting again.

what is it with these fucking people who think they're gods gift to the world?

post your plays, keep your record honestly and win over the board with your plays and write-ups, not the third person jibber jabber bullshit that spews from your.. keyboard.
 

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hmmmmmmmm....this site is sponsered by sportsbooks.....books make money from people making LOSING PLAYS...figure it out...
 

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hmmmmmmmm....this site is sponsered by sportsbooks.....books make money from people making LOSING PLAYS...figure it out...

who the hell else is going to sponsor a gambling message board?

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hmmmmmmmm....this site is sponsered by sportsbooks.....books make money from people making LOSING PLAYS...figure it out...

That doesn't mean the people who post their plays on here work for that website. Furthermore, as you've seen with what has transpired lately, people are on top of things when it comes to records. Someone who consistently makes bad picks isn't going to have a big following. Finally, no one should blindly follow someone's picks when they have no idea what they're betting on.
 
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