Kentucky seeks control of online gambling sites

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Almost Geraldo
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get out now. the offshore industry is dead. if you even win now, you have to beg to get paid. do etrade instead.

Yea nothing gets the blood flowing like putting money on google and watching to see if it rises or falls. C'mon man stock investing doesn't compare to sports betting. And in order to make it in stock investing you need to hold on to your positions for a year or more to avoid getting eaten up with the short term capital gains tax.

Stock investing is for long term. Buy and hold. Its nothing like gambling on sports. You think sports is hard to win? Try day trading. You will get eaten alive. Like I said stock investing is for long term. Its not exciting and it takes years to know if you made the right move.
 

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i wont argue that but i think it has more relevance then sports betting. i myself have grown out of it. i see sports betting mainly as an entertainment thing now and if i bet it'll be like a 5 dollar parlay, compared to the 250 dollar bets i used to make. i got lucky then that i didnt lose big and pulled out at a good time.

i had urges to come back but i knew my luck would run out. thats the problem with gambling. the majority of people on here do it because they think they can make money on it quickly. thats simply not the case.
 

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In the general election, Beshear opposed incumbent Governor Ernie Fletcher . Beshear's platform included expanded gambling, which Fletcher opposed due to the social ills he said come with casinos.
 

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In the general election, Beshear opposed incumbent Governor Ernie Fletcher . Beshear's platform included expanded gambling, which Fletcher opposed due to the social ills he said come with casinos.

One of my favorite terms used by the elected powers - Social Ills.
 

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They even have PokerStars on that list..

Imagine if they lost that domain name?
 

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Edit: Not sure what the judge decided. They say its not good though. Don' want to cause a panic.
 
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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) - A Franklin County Circuit Court judge has refused to dismiss a lawsuit seeking to block access to online casinos in Kentucky.
Judge Thomas Wingate said in an order Thursday afternoon that he will hear arguments on Nov. 17 before deciding whether to give Kentucky state government control of the domain names of 140 of the Internet's most popular gambling Web sites.
Wingate said online casinos that don't block access to their Web sites in Kentucky could be ordered to forfeit their domain names.
Gov. Steve Beshear's administration filed the lawsuit. Beshear supports legalizing casino gambling in a state that already allows betting on horse racing, bingo and a state lottery.
 

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Vegas reigns in the antiquated Kentucky horsey industry into their politics. What a surprise. The tired old formula is to combine a state lottery 'freedom to lose money' with a 'save the horsy' where the horses really represent slot machines. We have the same deal going on in Maryland. Generally, horse racing is done and gone. But Vegas knows the sentimental leverage horses bring when they saddle up beside state lotto money with the intent of excluding internet wagering from the start gate. These thieves know they own assets in a lost horse industry and will sign up with any sinking ship strategy that plugs leaking water and allows them time enough to buy state legislature slot machine votes. What is amusing is that both Vegas and these rich robber baron horsys where too stupid to understand the real muscle behind internet wagering.
 
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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) - A Franklin County Circuit Court judge has refused to dismiss a lawsuit seeking to block access to online casinos in Kentucky.
Judge Thomas Wingate said in an order Thursday afternoon that he will hear arguments on Nov. 17 before deciding whether to give Kentucky state government control of the domain names of 140 of the Internet's most popular gambling Web sites.
Wingate said online casinos that don't block access to their Web sites in Kentucky could be ordered to forfeit their domain names.
Gov. Steve Beshear's administration filed the lawsuit. Beshear supports legalizing casino gambling in a state that already allows betting on horse racing, bingo and a state lottery.

So, it sounds like worst case a couple of books such as Bookmaker have to block people from Kentucky from accessing their site, and if they do that they will not lose their domain name. Big deal. That's why proxies were invented.
 

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So, it sounds like worst case a couple of books such as Bookmaker have to block people from Kentucky from accessing their site, and if they do that they will not lose their domain name. Big deal. That's why proxies were invented.


Problem is, if the gambling sites obey Kentucky's order, every other state will follow suit. Proxies may work but maybe not (they don't for Pinny). Scary thought.
 
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Problem is, if the gambling sites obey Kentucky's order, every other state will follow suit. Proxies may work but maybe not (they don't for Pinny). Scary thought.

That is very true. Personally, if this were to be proposed in other states, I doubt it would be passed in many of them.

And if it became a big deal and many states started passing the same thing, couldn't the sports books simply create an additional domain name that has all the same data as the main one? From the sounds of it, this one in Kentucky only wishes to block access to those domain names, and not the data contained on the servers which those domain names present/direct to. I could be wrong on this, though.

Either way, it should prove interesting to see how this all plays out.
 

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That is very true. Personally, if this were to be proposed in other states, I doubt it would be passed in many of them.

And if it became a big deal and many states started passing the same thing, couldn't the sports books simply create an additional domain name that has all the same data as the main one? From the sounds of it, this one in Kentucky only wishes to block access to those domain names, and not the data contained on the servers which those domain names present/direct to. I could be wrong on this, though.

Either way, it should prove interesting to see how this all plays out.

I can easily see the states down south following this even though most have nothing they need to protect other than maybe Mississippi and Louisianna.

And I don't think they can just change the domains, if this wins through the appeals, Kentucky (and any states that follow) will be given the power to seize any "illegal" gambling domain without even going to court for it.

Online gambling is not getting any breaks at all anywhere in this country.
 

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So they want to ban gaming sites but leave porn on in Kentucky? Nice.
 

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Ky. judge allows gambling Web site case to proceed
By JOE BIESK 10.17.08, 8:10 AM ET

FRANKFORT, Ky. - A Franklin County Circuit Court judge refused Thursday to dismiss a lawsuit seeking to block access to more than 140 online casinos in Kentucky.

Judge Thomas Wingate ruled that he will hear arguments on Nov. 17 before deciding whether to give Kentucky's state government control of 141 domain names, which include the Internet's most popular gambling Web sites.

"Opposing groups and lawyers argue any judicial interference of the Internet will create havoc. This doomsday argument does not ruffle the court," Wingate wrote. "The Internet, with all its benefits and advantages to modern day commerce and life, is still not above the law, whether on an international or municipal level."

Attorneys for the state claim the sites are illegally bringing gambling into Kentucky. They claim the domain names are tantamount to illegal gambling devices - which can be seized by the state - and should be blocked to Kentucky.

Beshear, a Democrat, made his support for a constitutional amendment legalizing casino gambling a central focus of his campaign for governor last year. The governor tried and failed earlier this year to get the General Assembly to put a proposed amendment before voters.

Kentucky already allows gambling on horse racing and bingo, and has a state lottery.

Gov. Steve Beshear released a statement that he was pleased by Wingate's ruling.

"No one has been willing to step up and do anything about illegal Internet gambling until now," Beshear said in the statement. "We must protect our people, especially our children, from this illegal and unregulated activity while also protecting our legal and regulated forms of gaming in Kentucky."

Jeremiah Johnston, president of the Washington D.C.-based Internet Commerce Association, said he thought the ruling could have far-reaching ramifications on Internet commerce.

"With this decision, it's essentially throwing a wild card into the mix," Johnston said. "I definitely fear copycat actions from other states."

Ed Leyden, a Washington D.C. attorney for the Interactive Media Entertainment & Gaming Association, said he did not believe the domain names should be considered gambling devices. Leyden said he believes the Kentucky court did not have jurisdiction.

"The issues are global," Leyden said.

Wingate, meanwhile, said online casinos that don't block access to their Web sites in Kentucky could be ordered to forfeit their domain names. Others that prove they've blocked access may be released, he said.

Investigators found Internet gambling sites that already blocked to Kentucky users, Wingate said. "The defendants' domain names are virtual keys for entering and creating virtual casinos from the desktop of a resident in Kentucky," Wingate wrote.

Justice and Public Safety Cabinet Secretary J. Michael Brown said it should be fairly simple for the companies to prove they've blocked Kentucky's access. Brown, however, said he also wants the Web site operators to notify Internet registrars that they're blocking Kentucky's access as a guarantee.

"The burden's going to be on them," Brown said. "They ought not have too much difficulty stopping them if they want to."

Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed
 

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Of course the obvious solution is for the State of Kentucky to create a State Firewall, and force all internet providers through their firewall, like the People's Republic of China.

The technology exists, they just need to implement it. The exact same argument they are making, that the technology exists for sites to block users from Kentucky.

The obvious problem with the latter solution, is that Iran, China, and every other country and state/province can also file lawsuits to seize domains they find objectionable, rather than block them themselves. Why should the United States and its state governments get special treatment? And why should gambling get special treatment over blasphemy?

I'm sure CNN wouldn't mind censoring every piece of news based on the IP address of the Internet surfer, complying with the laws of all 192 U.N. member countries, *and* states/provinces of each!
 

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hey guys can anyone help me? i'm in kentucky and use sportsbook.com and they are among the 141 domain names that are set to be "taken" by the state. there is some kind of hearing or ruling on the matter to take place on Nov. 17th. I have a few questions...will they just block the sportsbook.com poker room? will i still be able to bet on sports? after the 17th, will the domain name be taken over and my money in that account with it??? thanks CK for posting this (www.stayinvisible.com/index.pl/homei) , but i really have to read it to see how it works...will the proxy keep me in the clear with my existing account or would i only benefit if i was setting up a new account?? Can't sportsbook.com just block me anyway because they know my the address listed in my account is from Kentucky?? Any help would be appreciated.
 

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kentucky is doing you a favor by not playing at sportbook.com. request a payout, then play at a better book while you wait months for the payout.
 

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