Just the facts please----fading redd, davis and benton 2011

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read memo FIRST
then look at SPREADSHEET.
I hope it shows up. Interesting no one wants this valuable info, but they are quick to criticize me
and state that I cannot possibly be correct.
I wish I was wrong.
If I am missing ANYTHING, let me know.
I respect the tracking thread and will not post in it as requested, for God knows what reason.
Please post here in this thread for replies.
 

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View attachment REALFADETRUTH.xls

has updated including today. 2 separate sheets. sheet 1 and sheet 2 (2011 and 2012)
the 2011 thread is same
2012 I made a few adjustments for more precise unit tracking.
I match all units with pimpy for a cappers listed except davis.
He has an error somewhere.
When davis says -2.5 -130 for 100 units and loses, fade should be +2.5 +110, for +110 units.
this is the updated, most complete spreadsheet now for 2011 and 2012.
 

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I read and you lost me on sheet 2, you show Benton down 1063.5 units but your next colum fading your down a few units. Makes no sense even assuming juice. Old accounting saying, bad numbers in-bad numbers out. Avg guy like me will see those two numbers and what? Not worth reading anyone.
 

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why dont you go through the posted days one by one and see if you have a different number if you don't believe it for the fade column?
Try 1 month; the dates are all there.
 

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dont feel like spending the time.. just explain how he can be down over a thousand units, yet if you fade you are down money? makes no sense
 

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1osu, I really am tired of trying to prove that this fade doesnt bear fruit end of a full year.
I have the attachments, all the info is there. If you do ONE MONTH it takes about 30 minutes to track.
Here, Ill give you an example.
Look at anthony redd's october 2011. It's listed as him losing 258.50 units by pimpy. Correct.
Just do that month. It starts on page 123 of the thread. (Post #3065.)
Just do REDD. Count up all the fades. I guarantee that his 258 unit loss that month doesnt net you 1 single dime of fade profit.
The answer to your question, as I shook my head in disbelief after doing the whole thread day-by-day, is that people dont realize how much juice affects the fade.
Example: redd goes 2-1 on 3-75 unit plays. he wins 67.50 units. You go 1-2 and lose 90 units.
Do opposite. redd goes 1-2 and loses 90 units. You win only 67.50 units.
Either way, whether they win or lose, juice carves you up; so essentially they have to be very, very bad (like lang) to net a profit over a full year. Now this year they have all started "lang" like and you are up a tremendous amount fading, which is great. Why would I stir shit up I wanna fade and win like the rest.
But I always check the numbers first. Do yourself a favor, take 30-45 minutes, just do that ONE MONTH I talked about for Redd; I guarantee you'll be scratching your head as to how -258 units for him is -9.50 units for faders.
I have work and bills and hate to waste time doing this, but I want to know WTF is going on.
 

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Like I said osu, I want nothing more than to fade these douches and make money. I even though of buying all 3 and doing a "group fade" daily, which was worked out great this month.
But history wise, through a full year, good to check out the daily tallies one by one, day-by day. The juices are fairly easy to calculate, just extremely time consuming.
Lots of work, but were trying to make money. If info is there, why not do it I said?
Currently I am doing EACH MONTH separately, double checking all my units/ tallies etc.
Will post soon.
I am all for Pimpy and his posting, he does a great job, and the lang thread has made me big time cash in 2 months.
Wish they'd understand I dont have any hidden motive, just the obvious; I wanna win like the rest and if it is as simple as fading these guys for a full year I would be first to contribute to a purchase package.
 

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breakdown of month-by-month. More to come. dOING FULL YEAR by month now, so anyone that wants to track any given month can do it in about 30 minutes to verify.

JEFF BENTON OCT 2011 LISTED: -220.50 UNITS. FADE: +115.50 UNITS
NOV 2011 LISTED: +344 UNITS. FADE: -348 UNITS
DEC 2011 LISTED: -48 UNITS FADE: -70 UNITS
 

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ANTHONY REDD OCT 2011 LISTED: -258.50 FADE: -9.50 UNITS
NOV 2011 LISTED: -528.50 FADE: +187.50
DEC 2011 LISTED: +33.50 FADE: -313.0 UNITS

December is a head-scratcher. Win only 33 units but if you fade its a huge loss. Don't say "how can that be?"
go to page 147 and track 10-15 pages for Redd and see for yourself.

Entire months coming soon. And yes, I know this month they are all very profitable fading.
I would rather have a full year's data to go by than 1 month.
I know they suck at picking, down big units last year. But again, doesnt translate to UNIT WINS for us, the faders, if you follow them each and every day for one year based off data on this thread.
 

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CRAIG DAVIS OCT 2011 LISTED: -263.50 FADE: -173.50
NOV 2011 LISTED: -561.50 FADE: +124.50
DEC 2011 LISTED: -257.25 FADE: +114.50

Since davis is listed only 3 months (plays) thats all the data from him; You'd be up 65.50 units total fading in 3 months.
Good, but its only 3 months of limited data.
 

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Now I am an attention whore who doesnt know what the fuck I am doing.
Thats what I get for trying to help. Do nothing but praise Pimpy. And they rip me.
I wish these seemingly smart posters would shut their bitch ass mouths and get off their ASSES and DO THE WORK then they can call me every name in the book if I am dead wrong.
Pimpy, since you do so much fade/non fade tracking, Why dont you do what I did? Just do Redd in October. See how a guy down 258.50 units didnt net you a single dime of fade profit.
Its one thing to be an ignorant asshole, but baseless name calling is another low. I dont understand why I am upsetting you and domain. If I bother you that much, do the work I did, prove me wrong, I promise I will shut my account and never ever post again.
 

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Redd lost 753.50 units in last 3 months of 2011.
Fade record results to -135 units.
Seemingly impossible. I do it over and over again, from first game on Oct 1, to last game dec. 31, 2011.
I know its not the whole 2011, but to think someone losing almost 750 units doesnt net any fade profit
within that time frame is mind-boggling.
I dare one person to call me out. I will post every day's play, both his win/loss and fade win/loss for the whole 3 month to prove it.
 

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ANTHONY REDD DECEMBER 2011 DAY-BY-DAY: (I DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO OR SHOW)
He only won 33 units. Fading shouldn't be that bad this month right? Look on the bottom.
12/1 WON 50 UNITS. FADE: -55
12/2 LOST 82.5 UNITS. FADE: +75
12/3 LOST 92 UNITS. FADE:+76
12/4 WON 36 UNITS. FADE:-48
12/5 WON 5 UNITS. FADE: -11
12/6 LOST 48 UNITS. FADE:+36
12/7 WON 36.5 UNITS FADE:+47.50
12/8 LOST 15 UNITS FADE: +6.0
12/9 WON 27 UNITS FADE -36
12/10 WON 150 UNITS FADE:-165
12/11 WON 90 UNITS FADE: -99
12/12 LOST 71.50 UNITS FADE:+65.0
12/13 LOST 88 UNITS FADE: +80
12/14 WON 22.5 UNITS FADE: -30.0
12/15 WON 90 UNITS FADE: -99
12/16 LOST 7.5 UNITS FADE: +3.0
12/17 LOST 198 UNITS FADE: +180.00
12/18 WON 75 UNITS FADE: -82.5
12/19 WON 22.5 UNITS FADE: -30.0
12/20 LOST 66 UNITS FADE:+60.0
12/21 LOST 55 UNITS FADE: +50.0
12/22 WON 30 UNITS FADE: -33.0
12/23 LOST 36 UNITS FADE:+27.0
12/24 WON 120 UNITS FADE: -132.0
12/25 LOST 55 UNITS FADE: +50.0
12/26 WON 60 UNITS FADE: -66.0
12/27 WON 105 UNITS FADE: -115.50
12/28 WON 75 UNITS FADE: -82.50
12/29 WON 90 UNITS FADE:-99.0
12/30 LOST 126.50 UNITS FADE: +115.0
12/31 LOST 110 UNITS FADE: +100.0

TOTAL: +33.50 UNITS REDD. FADE: -213.0 UNITS
NOT 313 as previously stated.
Still, huge losses for redd these 3 months combined, youre down 35 units fading.
Good luck to all Ive had it trying to convince.
 

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ANTHONY REDD (THIS FORUM’S TRICK)
Listed as down -769.50 units as of this period, YTD. ON PAGE 99 OF THE TRACKING THREAD.
Listed as down a combined -1147.75 dimes from August 1, 2011 to Dec. 31, 2011.
Yes, he is. But does that translate to PROFIT for a fader? Geez how could it not?
Here is EACH FUCKING DAY IF YOU FADED.
I used 15 cent lines in MLB. If he took +160 and won, that means -175 loss x dimes, etc.
Start: page 99

8/1 -42
8/2 +60
8/3 -130
8/4 +75
8/5 +10
8/6 -27.50
8/7 +80
8/8 -27.50
8/9 +50
8/10 -66
8/11 -66
8/12 +58
8/13 -66
8/14 ppd
8/15 +75
8/16 -5.0
8/17 -46
8/18 +26
8/19 +50
8/20 +60
8/21 +60
8/22 even
8/23 -61
8/24 +20
8/25 +50
8/26 -105
8/27 -75
8/28 +40
8/29 +80
8/30 -36
8/31 -55 August Fade Tally: -14 units


9/1 -110
9/2 +3.0
9/3 -60
9/4 -22
9/5 +60
9/6 -31
9/7 +20
9/8 +40
9/9 +27
9/10 +76
9/11 +27
9/12 -3.0
9/13 +50
9/14 +35
9/15 +60
9/16 -110
9/17 -132
9/18 +75
9/19 +25
9/20 -27.50
9/21 +25
9/22 +60
9/23 +40
9/24 +100
9/25 push
9/26 -82.50
9/27 -27.50
9/28 +14.0
9/29 +47.50
9/30 -110.0 Sept. fade: +69 units.

10/1 +67.50
10/2 -55.0
10/3 +25
10/4 -44
10/5 +40
10/6 +90
10/7 +40
10/8 +174
10/9 +47.50
10/10 +50
10/11 -44
10/12 +75
10/13 -55
10/14 -22
10/15 -90
10/16 -3.0
10/17 +50
10/18 +40
10/19 -66
10/20 -7.5
10/21 -57
10/22 -247.50
10/23 -36
10/24 -82.50
10/25 -55.0
10/26 -55.0
10/27 +50
10/28 -33
10/29 +100
10/30 +150
10/31 -55 October FADE: -8.50 units

11/1 -27.50
11/2 +50
11/3 -99
11/4 +50
11/5 -88
11/6 +150
11/7 -24
11/8 +20
11/9 +27
11/10 -8
11/11 +40
11/12 -198
11/13 +125
11/14 -4.0
11/15 -36
11/16 -82.5
11/17 +128
11/18 -88
11/19 +47
11/20 +150
11/21 -48.0
11/22 -30.0
11/23 -48.0
11/24 +100.0
11/25 -15.0
11/26 +90
11/27 +75
11/28 +45
11/29 +27
11/30 -126.50 November FADE totals: +201.50

12/1 -55.0
12/2 +75
12/3 +76
12/4 -48
12/5 -16
12/6 +36
12/7 -47.50
12/8 +6.0
12/9 -36.0
12/10 -165
12/11 -99
12/12 +65
12/13 +80
12/14 -30
12/15 -99
12/16 +3.0
12/17 +180
12/18 -82.50
12/19 -30.0
12/20 +60
12/21 +50
12/22 -33
12/23 +27
12/24 -132
12/25 +50
12/26 -66
12/27 -115.50
12/28 -82.50
12/29 -99
12/30 +115
12/31 +100 DECEMBER FADE TOTALS: -313.0 units

In conclusion, if you faded every play, from this dickwad from August 1, 2011 to December 31, 2011,
You would be DOWN 65 units. Even though he lost 1147.75. It’s ALL THERE. Every game, every day. Instead of calling me an attention whore, etc. maybe people should put in some time and actually do some RESEARCH before they criticize. I can care less about getting attention. But for someone to call me out then bash me without knowing “what the fuck” they are talking about are nothing put ignorant pieces of shit.
Amazing, I don’t understand how a person down over 1000 units in a 5-month span can give faders negative units fading. But every day is there. If you don’t believe it, go fuck yourself; I have done all this work and if you’re still not convinced, good luck to you
 

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GGZ, you have to look at these things in various ways. You state that if you faded every play from August to December, you would be down 65 units. Fine, I will not dispute your numbers, you did the work and it looks good. But you could also look at it and say that if you fades every play from August to November, you would have made 248 units fading Redd. You could also look at the numbers and see that fadin Redd between December 24th and December 29th would have cost a fader 445 units. Remove just those 6 days of fades and you make 380 units from August to December instead of losing 65. Playing with numbers is a game that's easy to play and spin.

I think the thing you need to keep in mind is that straight fading of every single play is probably not the purpose of the fading thread. It is simply information to be used in helping to determine if you should make a play on a game or not. I personally like to see what the tout are on before making a decision. But do I fade a play simply because a specific tout is on it? I don't personally and, if anyone does, then they take the risk of losing themselves long term. The fact is, although Redd might be down over 1000 units in 2011, he also had a winning percentage close to 50%. Fading play per play would also cause a 50% winning % for the fader. Over the log run, only hitting 50% is going to cost you money.

The best fade is a guy like Lang. His winning percentage is somewhere between 40-45% generally. And his winning % on his large plays is even worse. That is a recipe that will make a fader money in the long run. Fading a 50% gambler does not.
 

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On a personal note:
I have no vendetta, no motive, nothing against anyone or any method on this thread or any other forum; I would love to sit back, STFU, hell even pay for fade and win. Why would I mess up a good thing if it works? In Jan 2012, if you faded Redd, Davis, and Benton, you are up an astounding 600+ units. That's great. I wish it would be +++every month. This month has been like no other, as all 3 are bombing huuuge. I pray it continues. Why wouldnt I want to fade all 3 bitchez and collect? Just a bit hesitant, time will tell as Pimpy is tracking fades which is great, (I am tracking all 3 day by day as well. Wish him and 1drmain would understand I want to help with the data, by no means deter anyone, just inform them on past results. I know they dont translate into automatic future results, but it gives a lot to think about, IMO.
 

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Appreciate all your work and input on fading

Possibly,Craig Davis might be another "LANG"
 

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cheech, I am doing a full re-do on davis. His pussy-ass doesnt have teasers to bail him out anymore, so he looks like decent fade material. His plays have been posted a very limited time on Pimpy's thread (4 months) so I will run his full details time permitting. Thanks for noticing the work I do, its appreciated.

McCrazy, in response to your post:
I did entire year of Redd since he was posted. Its all in the top attachments.
Yes I may have a game or two I miscalculated from spending hours and days crunching the numbers,
but you end up in the "redd" fading him whole 2011 posted. I still dont get it but numbers dont lie. (Without cherry-picking a few months, etc. I'm talking about the WHOLE 2011 posted.)
I got pissed cause I was told "I didnt know what the fuck" I was doing, and I'm an attention whore,
Instead they should be thanking me for all the time and research I did I was dismissed and dissed so quick. I cant stand ignorant people and it struck a nerve.
If you gonna diss back it up with FACTS and not bullshit.

Everyone is happy with davis, redd, and benton destroying themselves so far in 2012. There is nothing more I would like than for them to heavily lose and net big profits, or any, for the faders so I can do that too. Why would I hesitate to buy their 2-3 cappers access pass and fade their ass then? I just have to wait and see how it all plays out. All I know is off 2011, you dont profit fading redd and benton, that simple.
 

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