"As far as the USA getting closer to the USSR, put down the source. I know you realize your argument based on something less than a grain of sand mixed in with all the sand on all our beaches doesn't even remotely justify your conclusion, although it may be technically correct."
You really believe Padilla wasnt tortured? Then you must also believe the Abu Gharib pictures of people tortured were fake. Because thats the one grain of sand that people like you cant deny. One that certainly justifies a conclusion alot more directly than some vague flippant remark suggesting unscrupulous lawyers were pandering to bleeding heart liberals looking to prove what they have no proof of.
Abu Gharib is the only proof you will ever need to know your government tortures both "enemy combatants" and "suspected American citizens". That it can pull Tuccos kid right off the street and waterboaed him while other Tuccos out there cheer them on.
If thats the kind of government you think is not worth fearing you are wrong.
Do yourself a favor and take those blinders off before you get hurt going around the turn. Your falling too far behind in current events.
Let you or the scumbags who authorized and enabled this torture to take place see similar treatment and watch how fast you scream for your constituional rights to legal representation and formal charges before the spooks whisk you away to rendition in a dungeon somewhere where we never have to listen to your feeble protestations of governmental innocence again.
You really believe Padilla wasnt tortured? Then you must also believe the Abu Gharib pictures of people tortured were fake. Because thats the one grain of sand that people like you cant deny. One that certainly justifies a conclusion alot more directly than some vague flippant remark suggesting unscrupulous lawyers were pandering to bleeding heart liberals looking to prove what they have no proof of.
Abu Gharib is the only proof you will ever need to know your government tortures both "enemy combatants" and "suspected American citizens". That it can pull Tuccos kid right off the street and waterboaed him while other Tuccos out there cheer them on.
If thats the kind of government you think is not worth fearing you are wrong.
Do yourself a favor and take those blinders off before you get hurt going around the turn. Your falling too far behind in current events.
Let you or the scumbags who authorized and enabled this torture to take place see similar treatment and watch how fast you scream for your constituional rights to legal representation and formal charges before the spooks whisk you away to rendition in a dungeon somewhere where we never have to listen to your feeble protestations of governmental innocence again.
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As for me, I kinda dislike Islamic terrorists that play by no rules. But we can at least agree to disagree, eh?
Thank you god :toast:
Abu Gharib?
You see TR, what we have here is a simple lack of understanding of what torture is. It's the same issue fundamentally with people thinking we lost our freedom and we're in the great depression.
Torture is far worse in my eyes than most who disagree with me, I don't think taking nude pictures is torture. It's weird and it's wrong, but it's not torture. When somebody can resume a normal life with all their facilities and without enduring real pain, it's not torture.
Many of you must actually think kids torture each other.
hno:
If you lived in a country that doesn't have freedom, you might realize how much freedom we have.
If unemployment more than doubles from it's current levels and stays there for a fucking decade, we can talk about the next great depression. Would actually have to be 4x higher for some time and the market would have to drop to about 2,100, about an 85% loss in value.
What we have here is a sensationalizing phenomenon at work here. I choose knowledge and balance.
You see TR, what we have here is a simple lack of understanding of what torture is. It's the same issue fundamentally with people thinking we lost our freedom and we're in the great depression.
Torture is far worse in my eyes than most who disagree with me, I don't think taking nude pictures is torture. It's weird and it's wrong, but it's not torture. When somebody can resume a normal life with all their facilities and without enduring real pain, it's not torture.
Many of you must actually think kids torture each other.
hno:If you lived in a country that doesn't have freedom, you might realize how much freedom we have.
If unemployment more than doubles from it's current levels and stays there for a fucking decade, we can talk about the next great depression. Would actually have to be 4x higher for some time and the market would have to drop to about 2,100, about an 85% loss in value.
What we have here is a sensationalizing phenomenon at work here. I choose knowledge and balance.
For myself I fear the power of any state that tortures its citizens far more than I will ever fear some pissant tewwowist.
A tewwowist is never anything more than a whacky charles manson style criminal, as opposed to The state which has the absolute power to destroy your entire family, and anyone elses family, in any way it likes and anytime it likes.
"but we have the law and the constitution" I hear citizen Wullie cry.
In the case of a citizen called Padilla the constitution wasn't worth rat shit.
Now why should some asshole called Padilla get away with turning the constitution into toilet paper citizen Wullie.
As long as the constitution protects Americas assholes, the rest of Americas citizens are safe.
Once it stops protecting Americans the constitution is finished.
