Jones / Cormier Rematch set for UFC 200

[GoBlue34]

LOL ... not a good fight ? LOL

Jones / Cormier is the best rivalry in the UFC

Conor buried himself. Nobody is bigger than the company and Dana / Lorenzo finally proved it.

Conor is only big to the casual fan ... Jon / Dan is big for the hardcore fan ... and at the end of the day, hardcore > money for this event.

First time Jones/Cormier fought the gate purse was just under 4 million. And the PPV had 800,000 buys and this was all with a strong build up.

First time Diaz/McGregor fought it was with almost NO buildup and the PPV buys were over 1.5 million and the gate was over 10 million.

Also Cormier made under 100K for that fight, Diaz and McGregor made a shit ton. Not saying this isn't a big fight but to say Conor is only big to the casual fan is ludicrous.

 

[CowboyT]

Your kidding right....they would rag doll Jones with ease. The HW's power/strength would beat him down easy. Jones has had trouble with true 185's who moved to 205. For those who don't know, he has sparred with AA and Overeem and they took him apart in each and every aspect. Jones has struggled with smaller guys the past 5 fights or so. There is a reason why he does not fight in his own division (HW) and he can thank Dana for that. They both know he has no shot

Source for Arlovksi/Reem beating up Jones? I've actually heard that they rarely go hard together but that in all aspects, it's an even contest.

Also, Jon is in the 205 division because he can make 205. That's his weight class. If a HW could make 205 and easily win the title off Jon (ahem...Cormier), they would do so because you get paid 10x as champion.

 

[CowboyT]

Yeah, the hard core vs casual discussions simplify things too much. There are a few hundred thousand people who will buy any PPV (even TJ vs Soto). I guess that's the "hard core" fan. That means most fans are casual and hard cores don't need to be pleased because they'll buy anything. Some people are hard core Conor fans and casual UFC fans. Some become hard core fans when their friends offer them beer.

 

[MattyMatt]

The clown beat several smaller/older guys and he has no balls or talent/strength/speed to make it in his own division (HW)

1	Cain Velasquez
2	Stipe Miocic
3	Alistair Overeem
4	Junior Dos Santos
5	Andrei Arlovski
6	Ben Rothwell
7	Travis Browne
8	Mark Hunt
9	Josh Barnett
10	Roy Nelson
11	Frank Mir
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You keep spewing this "Jones is a true HW" over and over, but in fact that is not true. When he first can into the UFC, he hardly cut any weight at all to make 205, less than 10 pounds. He only cuts about 20 lbs now, and that's still less than most guys cut in other divisions. When he announced he wanted to move to HW, his goals were to weigh 240 lbs, and that's still small for a true heavyweight with the limit being 265 lbs, with most weighing 235 to the max. He's by far not a true Heavyweight, although he can make the weight and fight in the Division...

 

[MattyMatt]

Yeah, the hard core vs casual discussions simplify things too much. There are a few hundred thousand people who will buy any PPV (even TJ vs Soto). I guess that's the "hard core" fan. That means most fans are casual and hard cores don't need to be pleased because they'll buy anything. Some people are hard core Conor fans and casual UFC fans. Some become hard core fans when their friends offer them beer.

True dis. Lol

I've seen a lot of MMA fans born over "too many beers".

 

[ANOTHERDAY]

Yeah, the hard core vs casual discussions simplify things too much. There are a few hundred thousand people who will buy any PPV (even TJ vs Soto). I guess that's the "hard core" fan. That means most fans are casual and hard cores don't need to be pleased because they'll buy anything. Some people are hard core Conor fans and casual UFC fans. Some become hard core fans when their friends offer them beer.

I agree fully. I've been around since UFC1 and I followed it like not many over the years. I'm a true fan (best days are past us I believe) and some of the best fights of pure action was back in the day. All the bullshit marketing, hype, social media...etc of today drives me crazy...you get the point. Guys like Hendo/Frank-Ken Shamrock/Bas is what I miss

 

[CowboyT]

And I'm actually not too concerned with marketing/hype efforts. It's a business after all.

I wrestled from 7 through college (D2) and now I train. It's taken me a lifetime to become a good grappler, but I still find guys who can wrap me up and choke me out with ease. While I train and spar mma, I'm not the best striker ( I'm shitty). I'm a worse version of Ben Askren. But I understand how much dedication it takes for a guy like TJ or Dom or Jon to become spectacular at every area. In years past, the fighters were more like me - they were very good in one area and able to survive in others. I like - and it amazes me - watching guys who are high level kickboxers, wrestlers and grapplers. It takes an incredible amount of work.