Oren1 how's oak pass coverage because if it's weak then i think Chad P. will have a field day. Oak can stop the run i assume so it's on the qbs then and i like the jets. As for oak offensive line do you think they will buy time for Mirer or Johnson to throw the ball? I assume you have been to their games so you get to see this first hand do you think the raiders improved in their game vs. det?
heh... Their offensive line looked terrible in the Detroit game. Not sure what the deal is with that, honestly I stopped paying as much attention but I guess they've got a couple guys hurt, and Tui was getting hit and hit and then he got hurt. I think it partly might be because they aren't pumped up to perform, the entire team looked pretty sluggish in that game. So I guess Mirer is going to be feeling the heat. AS far as pass coverage goes, Woodson is overrated but still solid, Buchanon shows glimses of genius but usually shows his inexperience and makes mistakes and gets burned. He's kinda small. Their safeties suck besides Rod Woodson. And they've got one of the worst run defenses in the NFL if not the worst. Even when the line was giving Gannon time to throw, he was holding onto the ball as if no recievers were open. I couldn't tell since I haven't been to any games this year. I sat home and quietly rooted for the Chiefs to win since I had them in a parlay.
now that I think of it the Raiders might have a chance in this game if they play more like the drive in which they scored their single touchdown aginst the Lions, basically pounding the ball up the middle with their 3 talented backs. But after that T.D. the Bill-Walsh-like Callahan went back to throwing the ball, after getting the ball 1st and goal off a Lion's turnover, and had to settle for a field goal. Maybe the coaches will wake up? They might not have a choice with Mirer at the helm. These idiots have the fewest rushing attempts in the NFL. It worked last year with the MVP Gannon lighting up secondaries around the leaugue, but this ain't 2002, they should have realized after the 2nd game, if not in the preseason, that they wouldn't be getting away with airing the ball out constantly this year, especially with Porter out.
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As a guy who has enjoyed fading Jeff George going back to college days with B'Makers and Illini, I like the George thought.
George would be better in one respect: he still has strong arm so his ints would be much farther downfield than RJ. Also, there is no team unity left in Oakland to destroy which is also a George speciality.
George would be better in one respect: he still has strong arm so his ints would be much farther downfield than RJ. Also, there is no team unity left in Oakland to destroy which is also a George speciality.
raiders ranked #31 in the nfl against the run
HOWEVER
the jets are EVEN WORSE - ranked #32 against the run - but the key factor here is - raiders have ZERO running game
jets are the 4th best passing d in the nfl - but that makes sense - why pass the ball on them when you can run it so well.
raiders pass d is #10 - but ditto for what i said about the jets' pass d
if the raiders can't run - they then have to pass to win - and you want rick mirer or rob johnson doing that for you??
gimme pennington and c-mart over mirer and garner/wheatley/etc.
jets stack the line - single cover 40,000-year-old brown and rice - zone cover porter and win th game easily.
***edited to correct NYJ being listed as #2 vs. the run - when it is really #32 - a tiiiiiiny difference
[This message was edited by winkyduck on November 06, 2003 at 01:12 PM.]
HOWEVER
the jets are EVEN WORSE - ranked #32 against the run - but the key factor here is - raiders have ZERO running game
jets are the 4th best passing d in the nfl - but that makes sense - why pass the ball on them when you can run it so well.
raiders pass d is #10 - but ditto for what i said about the jets' pass d
if the raiders can't run - they then have to pass to win - and you want rick mirer or rob johnson doing that for you??
gimme pennington and c-mart over mirer and garner/wheatley/etc.
jets stack the line - single cover 40,000-year-old brown and rice - zone cover porter and win th game easily.
***edited to correct NYJ being listed as #2 vs. the run - when it is really #32 - a tiiiiiiny difference
[This message was edited by winkyduck on November 06, 2003 at 01:12 PM.]
Chrebet to miss Raiders game
By ANDREA SZULSZTEYN, AP Sports Writer
November 6, 2003
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) -- Wayne Chrebet still has headaches and feels tired after sustaining a concussion against the New York Giants.
Though Chrebet no longer has a concussion, the New York Jets have decided to hold out the veteran receiver Sunday against the Oakland Raiders. They want to determine what is causing the symptoms.
Dr. Elliot Pellman, chairman of the Jets' medical department, does not know whether Chrebet has post-concussion syndrome, so he will undergo more tests and be evaluated by an independent neurologist. Chrebet is listed as week to week.
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``I don't know if Wayne is worried because he's had these injuries before,'' Pellman said. ``But the fact that I don't know makes me a little nervous. I think it's time for Wayne and me and everyone in this organization to take a deep breath and figure out what's going on.''
Chrebet was hurt in the third quarter Sunday, when Giants safety Omar Stoutmire delivered a blow to the back of his head. Chrebet was briefly unconscious.
Pellman evaluated Chrebet on the sideline and determined he had recovered enough from the concussion to return to the game.
On Monday, coach Herman Edwards said Chrebet had a sore neck and back. Chrebet underwent several exams that were negative, but started complaining about fatigue and headaches later that day.
After Pellman evaluated Chrebet again Wednesday, he decided to rule him out until he can figure out what is happening.
``Am I just being cautious? The answer is yes,'' Pellman said. ``Am I second-guessing myself for returning him to play Sunday? The answer is no. Am I concerned enough for him not to play this weekend? Yes.
``Will I look at you and say, 'Will Wayne Chrebet play football again?' Yeah, I think so, but I'm not sure. I need some help with this one, and that's why I'm reaching out to the experts.''
Earlier this season, Chrebet hurt his back against the Buffalo Bills. But he complained of migraines, blurry vision and light sensitivity, and Pellman determined the force of the hit triggered a post-traumatic migraine. Chrebet did not play the following week against Houston because of his sore back.
Edwards said the hit Chrebet took against the Giants was in the same place he got hurt against the Bills. Chrebet wanted to get back in the game against the Giants, but now regrets the decision.
``It was stupid trying to get back out there,'' he said. ``It was me trying to convince them and myself that everything was all right.''
Chrebet, a nine-year veteran, also had similar problems in 2001. He took a helmet-to-helmet hit against Miami and sustained a concussion, but played the following week against the Rams.
In that game, he took another hit to the helmet. Chrebet had post-traumatic migraines -- not a concussion. Chrebet only missed one game, but expressed concern about his long-term health.
``I'm not going to fight this,'' he said. ``Usually you try to fight and lie to get back on the field, but this is the smart thing to do.''
Chrebet has 27 catches for 289 yards and one touchdown this season, and Curtis Conway once again will start in his place.
``Any time things like that happen you are concerned with a lot of things. That's human nature,'' Edwards said. ``He probably is. You have to think about your long-term longevity.''
Pellman is worried because Chrebet has taken so many hits to the head that he could become predisposed to sustaining concussions or developing post-concussion syndrome.
Former Jets receiver Al Toon retired because of post-concussion syndrome.
``Is this another player that is entering that dark hole of post-concussion syndrome?'' Pellman said. ``I will answer you honestly and I will tell you I do not know.
``I also will tell you Wayne Chrebet is not Al Toon. I have retired players, some unhappily, because of this injury.''
By ANDREA SZULSZTEYN, AP Sports Writer
November 6, 2003
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) -- Wayne Chrebet still has headaches and feels tired after sustaining a concussion against the New York Giants.
Though Chrebet no longer has a concussion, the New York Jets have decided to hold out the veteran receiver Sunday against the Oakland Raiders. They want to determine what is causing the symptoms.
Dr. Elliot Pellman, chairman of the Jets' medical department, does not know whether Chrebet has post-concussion syndrome, so he will undergo more tests and be evaluated by an independent neurologist. Chrebet is listed as week to week.
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``I don't know if Wayne is worried because he's had these injuries before,'' Pellman said. ``But the fact that I don't know makes me a little nervous. I think it's time for Wayne and me and everyone in this organization to take a deep breath and figure out what's going on.''
Chrebet was hurt in the third quarter Sunday, when Giants safety Omar Stoutmire delivered a blow to the back of his head. Chrebet was briefly unconscious.
Pellman evaluated Chrebet on the sideline and determined he had recovered enough from the concussion to return to the game.
On Monday, coach Herman Edwards said Chrebet had a sore neck and back. Chrebet underwent several exams that were negative, but started complaining about fatigue and headaches later that day.
After Pellman evaluated Chrebet again Wednesday, he decided to rule him out until he can figure out what is happening.
``Am I just being cautious? The answer is yes,'' Pellman said. ``Am I second-guessing myself for returning him to play Sunday? The answer is no. Am I concerned enough for him not to play this weekend? Yes.
``Will I look at you and say, 'Will Wayne Chrebet play football again?' Yeah, I think so, but I'm not sure. I need some help with this one, and that's why I'm reaching out to the experts.''
Earlier this season, Chrebet hurt his back against the Buffalo Bills. But he complained of migraines, blurry vision and light sensitivity, and Pellman determined the force of the hit triggered a post-traumatic migraine. Chrebet did not play the following week against Houston because of his sore back.
Edwards said the hit Chrebet took against the Giants was in the same place he got hurt against the Bills. Chrebet wanted to get back in the game against the Giants, but now regrets the decision.
``It was stupid trying to get back out there,'' he said. ``It was me trying to convince them and myself that everything was all right.''
Chrebet, a nine-year veteran, also had similar problems in 2001. He took a helmet-to-helmet hit against Miami and sustained a concussion, but played the following week against the Rams.
In that game, he took another hit to the helmet. Chrebet had post-traumatic migraines -- not a concussion. Chrebet only missed one game, but expressed concern about his long-term health.
``I'm not going to fight this,'' he said. ``Usually you try to fight and lie to get back on the field, but this is the smart thing to do.''
Chrebet has 27 catches for 289 yards and one touchdown this season, and Curtis Conway once again will start in his place.
``Any time things like that happen you are concerned with a lot of things. That's human nature,'' Edwards said. ``He probably is. You have to think about your long-term longevity.''
Pellman is worried because Chrebet has taken so many hits to the head that he could become predisposed to sustaining concussions or developing post-concussion syndrome.
Former Jets receiver Al Toon retired because of post-concussion syndrome.
``Is this another player that is entering that dark hole of post-concussion syndrome?'' Pellman said. ``I will answer you honestly and I will tell you I do not know.
``I also will tell you Wayne Chrebet is not Al Toon. I have retired players, some unhappily, because of this injury.''
you know it captain. Play of the week, no way the Raiders win tomorrow! Think about it, they lost to the LIONS last week. Pennington almost beat Kerry Collins last week. Team is in turmoil. Distractions with Woodson/Callahan? Tired veterans don't give a shit anymore now that they're out of the playoff hunt already. Jets want to avenge last years playoff loss, Pennington wants to prove himself in front of the black hole. RICK MIRER
Raiders have the 31st worst run defense in the league, Jets have Curtis Martin. Oh, wait, the Jets have the worst run defense in the league....
but you only have to lay 3 points.
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