Issue of the day - Where do YOU stand on the issue of "Gun Control" and why?

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So when they come into your house with guns what are you going to do?


How many criminals (i.e., burglars) are killed each year by handguns while entered a house?
 

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The home invader(s) are the one(s) that decide that. I simply light him/them up with a sure fire, to make sure it's not someone I know (ie mom decided to visit from some strange reason). They/him are free to leave. If they want a confrontation they will get the short end. In my house they do not get the benefit looking down the barrel of my glock. My AR-15 is going to outmatch them, trust me. Even if it's 5 to 1 and they have body armor. First of all, the sure fire will make sure they can't see for several minutes. Hell it will blind people for several minutes in broad daylight.

You can feel safe waiting for the cops to show up. In CR that normally takes a few hours.
 
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I think the issue is gun control IN THE UNITED STATES, not in Escazu..(who do you protect yourself from, other rich folk??)
 

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I guess you haven't been keeping up on current events. Let's look at the crime just from last week.

Printed Aug 1, 2003

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Costa Ricans are shaken by a July full of murders

By Saray Ramírez Vindas
and the A.M. Costa Rica staff

Costa Ricans went to bed Wednesday shocked at the news three children had been gunned down on the Osa Peninsula. They woke up to news that yet another woman had been killed by a former boyfriend.

The twin murders, coming on the heels of a string of equally shocking cases, rattled the view a lot of Costa Ricans have of themselves, and their nation. Most also were happy to see the end of July, a month that will be remembered as bloody.

The latest murder, just before 3 a.m. Thursday in the barrio La Pascua in Quepos resulted in the death of a woman, 29, and her lover, 19. Investigators blame a former live-in lover, and said he showed up and shot both individuals in the face.

Dead is the woman, María Iris Sánchez Chinchilla, and the 19-year-old, Pedro Sosa Orozco. He was shot in the forehead, and she was shot in the nose by a .25 caliber handgun.

Neaby Fuerza Pública officers located the presumed assailant, Ramón Garita Garita, 45, who shot himself in the temple after fleeing the scene.

The Sánchez woman sought and received July 24 a protection order against Garita, said a judicial spokesperson. She claimed he had threatened her repeatedly. Garita was in Hospital México Thursday night in critical condition. He was described as a fisherman

The woman leaves three children, one 8 months old that was in the house, an 11 year old girl who was in an adjacent room and a 3 year old. Some are believed to be Garita’s, too.

Investigators in the Osa Peninsula still are seeking Carlos Corrales Picado, a 40-year-old fisherman who investigators say systematically hunted down two teenage boys Wednesday night then killed a 4-year-old while the child played in the patio of his home. Then the man shot and gravely injured the child’s father, they said. The shootings happened in Puerto Escondido, which is on the east side of the Osa Peninsula across the Gulfo Dulce from Golfito in southwestern Costa Rica.

The Judicial Investigating Organization and the Fuerza Pública were conducting a major sweep of the mountains on the Osa Peninsula to find the man who fled after the shootings.

Agents said the man first encountered Estiben Mora Vargas, 15, when the boy was fixing his bicycle. Investigators said it appeared that a firearm was pressed against the boy’s head before it was fired. The next to die was Francisco Mena Fallas, also 15, who was leaving a store in the community and fell dead in front of the Catholic church in the community. He also had a bullet in his head.

The assailant next went to the home of Marcelo Solís Chinchilla, 41, who was resting in a hammock near his child. The child, Kevin, also was shot in the head, and Solís took a bullet in the stomach when he tried to confront the killer.

Investigators blamed the shootings on vengeance but were not more specific.

The deaths of the children reminded Costa Ricans of the killings of María Martínez Pichardo, 30, and
her two daughters, Johana, 3, and Yorleny, 4. They died at the hands of a jilted lover, Jhonathan González Alvarado, last July 22 in Triangulo de Solidaridad in San Gabriel de Calle Blancos, Goicoechea. He killed himself later in prison.
The Martínez woman, too, had a restraining and no-contact order against González.

So did Maritza Jirón Pichardo, who died early Tuesday in Barrio Limoncito in Limón. Her former companion, with the last names of Lara Bustos, was detained as the assailant.

Casa Alianza was quick to send out a news release promoting its proposed changes to Costa Rican law that the organization says will protect children. The child advocacy organization said that 32 persons 23 years and younger had been killed in Costa Rica this year. Some 20 of these were younger than 18, the organization said.

The press release spoke of a storm during the last weeks as a result of the increasing levels of violence against children.

"Sadly, one expects murders of boys, girls and youngsters in countries like Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvado, but it is not the same with Costa Rica. Things have changed." said Bruce Harris, regional director for Latin America of the organization.

The month was four days old when an 8-year-old girl vanished in Quesada Duran, a neighborhood in southeast San José. She was Katia Vanesa González Juárez. Investigators found her body under the floor of a neighbor’s house a week later.

The girl’s disappearance alarmed parents and concern mounted. Police reacted by releasing what they said was a profile of possible molesters, but the profile was seriously flawed.

Casa Alianza checked in by asking Costa Ricans, young and old, to sign petitions to promote a "Katia and Oswaldo law." Oswaldo is Osvaldo Faobricio Madrigal Bravo, 3, who was snatched June 4, 2002. He was the son of a Judicial Investigating Organization drug agent, and his body was found in behind a dam a week later.

Originally, Casa Alaianza was pushing a variation on the Megan law first passed in the U.S. State of New Jersey that requires police agencies to notify residents when a sex offender moves into the neighborhood. The law carried the name of Megan Nicole Kanka, 7, who died at the hands of a known sex offender.

The principal suspect in the Katia case, Jorge Sánchez Madrigal, 34, has been twice convicted of rape and also of murder in which he buried a woman he had killed.

In its release Thursday Casa Alianza seems to have backed away from the Megan law idea and instead is promoting stronger sentences for child kidnapping, something the government already said it supports.

The penalty for stealing a car is 15 years but the penalty for stealing a child is hardly two years, said the Casa Alianza release.

Actually, when the suspects in the Oswaldo case were convicted, judges piled on the penalties up to 10 years for the man accused of kidnapping the child but not killing him. The murder still is at large.
 

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Printed Aug 4, 2003

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Both murder suspects
are dead by suicide

By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

Two men, principal suspects in different murders, have died by their own hand.

The first is Ramón Garita Garita, 45. He was in Hospital México where he was being treated for a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. He was the only suspect in the killing of his former girlfriend, Marta Iris Sánchez Chinchilla, 29, and her companion, Pedro Sosa Orozco, 19, in Barrio La Pascua in Quepos early Thursday.

The second man, Carlos Corrales Picado, was found floating in an inlet on the east shore of the Osa Peninsula Saturday. He was the object of a massive manhunt after three children died and a man was seriously wounded Wednesday evening in Puerto Escondido.

Corrales went on a shooting spree in which he hunted down two 15-year-olds and killed them at different places. Then he confronted a neighbor, killed the man’s child, just three years and 11 months old, and then shot the man.

Corrales fled, but investigators said that he must have killed himself with a bullet to the head not long after the murders.

Suspect jailed in death

By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

A judge in Quepos has jailed an Italian with the last name of Robercio for investigation in the murder of taxi driver Rafael Enrique Chacón Barboza, who died Tuesday in an apparent robbery attempt. The suspect was found wounded nearby by police. He will be jailed for at least six months while the investigation proceeds.


Possible murder victim found

By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

The nude body of a woman believed to be about 25 years old was found in a small park in Los Guido in Desamparados, according to police. Investigators are treating the case as a homicide.
 

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Printed Aug 6, 2003

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Neighbor arrested
in death of farmer

By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

Investigators have arrested a neighbor in the death of a finca owner who was killed last June 10 in Santo Tomás de Santo Domingo de Heredia.

The dead man is Bernardo Ocampo Arce, 62, who was found on a farm road inside his torched pickup.

Arrested is Luis Alvarez Mora, 48, said a spokesperson for the Judicial Investigating Organization. Investigators said they were exploring possible personal differences as the motive for the killing.

Ocampo died from a bullet to the head. He worked nights as the guard at a kindergarten in Desamparados, said agents at the time.

Vagrant slashed
by gang of men

By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

A group of men slashed a 17-year-old street dweller with knives shortly before midnight Monday, according to police.

The youth was sleeping when he was assaulted, he told police. The incident happened in Los Cuadros, Purral, Goicoechea, north of San José.

The youth went to Hospital Calderón Guardia for treatment.

There have been a series of murders of vagrants in the downtown San José area, but this is the first case of such an assault in the northern part of the metropolitan area.

Martin case hearing
scheduled for Sept. 3
By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

Court officials in Golfito have set Sept. 3 as the day for a preliminary hearing for three persons implicated in the murder of Shannon Martin, the University of Kansas senior killed there.

Miss Martin died of at least 15 stab wounds May 13, 2001. She was there completing a senior thesis.

The Juzgado Penal de Golfito also said that Jeanette Stauffer of Topeka, Kan., the girl’s mother, may participate in the case.

Investigators arrested a woman with the last name of Cruz Nov. 21, 2001, as a suspect in the case. She implicated two men with surnames Castro, then-38, and Zumbado, then-47, when they were arrested July 16.

The preliminary hearing will allow judicial officials to better determine if the two men, both local individuals, really had a role in the killing.
 

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Printed Aug 7, 2003

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Quick police action
stops market robbery
By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

Robbers were outnumbered by police Wednesday night at a grocery in Sabana Sur.

Three heavily armed men held up the AM/PM store on the Old Escazú Road in Sabana Sur and stripped shoppers of their valuables. The trio fired guns that attracted the attention of persons outside the store. They called police.

Fuerza Pública officers, who have their headquarters only a few blocks away, surrounded the store even as the robbery was in progress. Officers shot one robber. A second fell into police hands, and a third was captured as he tried to run away.

A woman shopper suffered a bullet wound to the arm. She left the scene in an ambulance.

The supermarket is just south of Parque La Sabana.


213 policemen are in the middle of school probe
By the A.M. Costa Rica staff
In order to be a policeman in Costa Rica, a candidate has to have passed what amounted to the first half of high school here that is called novento año.

Investigators began looking into the paperwork of some 213 policemen when it appeared that officers from San José and Cartago had attended and passed that grade level at a night school in Limón.

They began investigating harder when the records of the school showed that only about 30 students enrolled in the school, Liceo Nocturno de Limón, in the last two years.

Officials at the school made it easy because they had a file with photocopies of all 213 cédulas or identifications from the policemen in the same
folder. It appears that none of them actually attended classes and simply paid between 20,000
and 45,000 colons to get the appropriate paperwork. That’s from about $50 to $112.
Officials are flabbergasted because falsifying an official document is a crime. All the policemen involved got good grades, between 80 and 100, according to the records.

There is no secret that in certain schools under certain circumstances students can buy good grades. What is unusual about this case is the number of police who were involved.

The Minsterio de Gobernación, Policía y Seguridad Pública is facing the prospect of discharging some 213 policemen at a time when there is a push to crack down on crime.

Even more upsetting is the fact that one of the persons involved, Xinia Gamboa, is the sister of a national deputy, Carmen Gamboa, said officials.

The director of the school is Cira Díaz, officials said.
 

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Guess I'll chime in on this one. First of all circumstances are different in every country. When comparing the U.S. and many other first world countries to "developing" nations the "environment" is completely different. I know there are homeless and hungry people in the U.S., but you can't even compare it to people in the third-world. Most robberies that take place where I live in Brazil are poor people and many are doing it to simply survive, but, IMO, it is still not justification to break into ones home.

Here's a story for ya. Approximately 4 years ago when I first came to brazil to live I was befriended by an American that had lived in Brazil for close to 30 years, here in this city for over 20, he was from Detroit, great guy. We literally ran around together every day for the first 6 months I was here. He owned 2 handguns and kept them in his house. He arrived home one day approximately two years ago in the middle of the afternoon to find that 5 thieves were inside his house. His son was there and the thieves had tied him up. He made it to the upstairs of his house where he kept his two handguns. When he went to retrieve them he found that they were gone, the thieves had found them. He had a baseball bat and went downstairs where the thieves were and confronted them. They shot him once between the eyes and twice in the chest with his own guns. Of course he died.

Now many would debate that this would've never happened if he hadn't had guns inside his home. I'm not so sure about that.

Here's one more true story. I had 2 businesses here in Brazil. Approximately a year and a half ago an attractive young girl that worked for me went to a party one Thursday night with her boyfriend. They were returning home around 2:30 am from the party which was at the beach. When they got to one of the main streets in downtown, 2 men walked in front of their car with guns when they were stopped at a traffic light. The two men proceeded to put her boyfriend in the trunk of the car while each of them took turns raping her.

The facts are guns exist, and they will always exist. I don't know about any of y'all, but if someone is inside my house I want a little more than my "johnson" in my hand to protect my wife, my daughter, and myself. Smith and Wesson will do just fine. I'm sure we've all seen the bumper sticker "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns". There is a lot to the statement. I'm a law abiding citizen, why should someone or some gov't. tell me that I do not have the right to protect myself and my family? Once again, I think a lot of people that want to outlaw guns live in a "fantasy land". It would certainly be a different story if we had the capability of getting rid of guns, that they would no longer exist. But is every bit as futile as saying we're going to get rid of drugs, and they will exist no more. They are here, they've been here, and they're not going anywhere.


You can feel safe waiting for the cops to show up. In CR that normally takes a few hours.



That's a helluva lot better than where I live. One of my businesses was robbed a while back, I called the police, about 12 times. They finally showed up 5 days afterwards. You can't depend upon the police here to protect you, and many times they are in with the thieves that are robbing you.
 

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In the United States you can create pretty much two categories for home invaders;
first are the druggies - people who are addicted to drugs, who have no morals or feelings toward the peopel they are robbing - they will rape (men and women) and kill their victims without a thought about it.
Second are lazy assed kids out for a good time; now years ago I would have said these kids are basic ally harmless - they'll run like hell at the first sign of the homeowner showing up! But thanks to a liberal system that doesn't hold anyone responsible for criminal actions - especially teenagers, we now have an underclass of kids that just don't care about anything - especially another persons life! They'll invade your home and rape and kill you without a care about any consequences.
The problem in the United States is a criminal justice system where the crimianl gets all of the justice and the victim gets treated like a criminal.
 

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Radio, you can show up to a gun fight empty handed. You choice.

Ask yourself why cops carry guns. Do some research, get informed on the facts. Then we'll discuss the issue.

You implied it is safe in CR. I just showed you some of the news from only last week.

How is it walking around like Ray Charles?
 
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I am not the one who lives in the "gringolandia" of Costa Rica (CR, Rough Guide).

As for your "gunfights", likening CR to the old west is a strange one, an irrational statement that doesn't work well as a parallel.

I NEVER implied that Costa Rica is a safe country. What you "took" from my replies is something different altogether...

By the way, not all cops carry guns, do your research.
 

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Radio, the guards here all carry guns. Hell the guy guarding KFC and McDonalds have a shotgun.

Maybe you missed the news stories. BTW those were just from LAST WEEK.
 
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...which is why I would NEVER claim that Costa Rica is safe.
(thank you)

I stated above, "I think the issue is gun control IN THE UNITED STATES, not in Escazu." (meaning, NOT in COSTA RICA)
 

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The US constitution protects my right to bear arms. Period. I own several and always will. Why? Because it's my right to protect my family and property. You don't want to get shot? Then don't break into my house or bother my family. Simple as that. I'll call the cops after I've shot the dumbass crawling through my window at 3 am, they can come pick up the body.
 

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Two pieces worth reading:

"Positive Externalities of Gun Ownership" by John Kell, originall published in Ideas on Liberty in 1991

This
AP story citing recent CDC studies which demonstrate that over the long term, increased gun control has had no noticeable effect on firearm-related crime.


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My favorite line about guns is from comedian Jake Johansen:

"Guns don't kill people, but they do give bullets their incredible fu**ing speed".
 

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posted by Mudbone:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
... comedian Jake Johansen
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Whatever happened to him? I have only ever seen one show of his, it had to be at least ten years ago, called This'll Take About an Hour. He was fvcking hysterical but I could never find anything else by him.


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Phaedrus,

Honestly don't know. He was one of my favorite stand up comedians that I've seen live but I haven't seen him in ages, either.
 

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