Isnt blackjack exactly 50/50?

[bigbet1234]

Not really, let me see the dealers hole card and it would not matter. You going first does not matter. Its the rules. Give me a good SD, S17, DAS, and Early Surrender, and I can beat the shit out of it playing first or not.

its all about finding the rules, which are hard to do anymore.

The house gets the edge because you have to play before the dealer, and if you bust, house wins.

 

[FatTony]

AHHHH.. Finally an answer..

Makes sense.

Lol


I think Bigbet was saying the same thing.

 

[Marco]

The house edge is built into the game, to overcome any of that you need to play properly and count cards.....playing like the dealer doesn't eliminate the HOUSE EDGE.

That and the fact that you play first, when you bust the dealer wins, you don't get your money back if the dealer also busts....

 

[Santo]

wizardofodds.com -- read and absorb

 

[bigbet1234]

Great explanation

The house has an edge because you play your cards first, therefore you have to make a decision based on incomplete data.

Proper basic strategy dictates that the house edge varies based on the rules the house sets forth. This is dependent on # of decks, doubling and splitting rules, hit/stand soft 17, surrender, and any other variables.

There was a time when a few casinos offered games that gave the players the edge off of the top of the deck due to player-beneficial rules.

The house edge after each hand is dependent on the composition of the remaining cards left in the deck. I won't go into the math, but the house edge changes every hand.

There are ways to nullify rules that give the house the edge, but that is another topic beyond the scope of this discussion.

 

[GreenDoberman]

Thanks BB,
People think you just learn basic strategy and count cards and that is all there is to it. There are so many more concepts that can be much more profitable to the player, but to try and explain to the person that cannot even master game specific basic strategy is pointless.

 

[jeffksu]

just talked to my neighbor..who is a bj dealer here in vegas and he said that about 75% of their winnings come from being the last at the table to play....people having 14 vs. a dealers up card of a ten...therefore player thinks they must hit because they think dealers hole card is ten....player catches an eight busts out and dealer shows a six....does not have to draw because player has already lost....think about 75% of winners because dealer gets to play last....sux doesn't it...he said even if the table is full of players...someone there will screw it up by splitting a pair when they shouldn't...doubling down when they shouldn't...taking the dealers bust card by hitting a 12...you know stupid shit like that....really screws up a great game...but always remember...the dealers get to play last...my 2 cents jeffksu

 

[bigbet1234]

Dealers are the last person to take advice from, usually they dont know squat, as it shows for your neighbor, sorry jeff.

There is no such thing as bad play affecting your long term result, sure the ass whipe who splits the 10's, or hits the 16 with a dealer 6 up card, pisses ya off, but it has no long term disadvantage, except it sticks in your memory forever. sometimes it can eat up a high count, but still, remember, card dont have a memory.

BB

just talked to my neighbor..who is a bj dealer here in vegas and he said that about 75% of their winnings come from being the last at the table to play....people having 14 vs. a dealers up card of a ten...therefore player thinks they must hit because they think dealers hole card is ten....player catches an eight busts out and dealer shows a six....does not have to draw because player has already lost....think about 75% of winners because dealer gets to play last....sux doesn't it...he said even if the table is full of players...someone there will screw it up by splitting a pair when they shouldn't...doubling down when they shouldn't...taking the dealers bust card by hitting a 12...you know stupid shit like that....really screws up a great game...but always remember...the dealers get to play last...my 2 cents jeffksu

 

[Doug]

Mimicking the dealer's rules is an awful way to play ! Dealer shows 6, you don't bust your hand ever ! Dealer rules would have you hit a 16, for example.

Proper play like this helps to equalize the sides ( dealer having advantage of playing last) card counting and subsequent variance in bet sizing can put the player at an advantage.

 

[rgorr]

Because you play first! If you break and then the dealer breaks, you lose!

 

[jeffksu]

my point exactly...bigbet1234...you may be right but bring your ass to vegas and put up your money against my neighbor and i'll stand back and laugh at your ass as he breaks it down and bleeds you to the poor house...come on..put up or shut up...jeffksu...my point is well taken by doug j. and rrogr sure there are good runs and bad ones but there's a lot of variables in the game....bigbet are you going to hit a 16 against the dealers up card of a 10...that's all i need to know...

 

[bigbet1234]

Jeff, with all due respect, you have no clue what you are talking about. I would be happy to play against your neighbor, that is if it is a worth while game. he probably deals at a burn joint, that gives lousy pen, and poor rules.

About hitting the 16, sure I would, basic strat says hit. Now, if counting, and it is a neutral, or negative count, you bet your ass i hit it, and if it is positve count, i stand, or surrender, if it is offered.

BB

my point exactly...bigbet1234...you may be right but bring your ass to vegas and put up your money against my neighbor and i'll stand back and laugh at your ass as he breaks it down and bleeds you to the poor house...come on..put up or shut up...jeffksu...my point is well taken by doug j. and rrogr sure there are good runs and bad ones but there's a lot of variables in the game....bigbet are you going to hit a 16 against the dealers up card of a 10...that's all i need to know...

 

[Mr.Smith]

of course hitting 14, 15 16, vs a 7,8,9,10,A is correct.

jeff,
most dealers dont really know how to play, they know how to deal. your neighbor is incorrect

 

[Doug]

Bigbet is right on 16 vs 10, it's a very close call. Hit if negative, stand if positive true count.

 

[Doug]

of course hitting 14, 15 16, vs a 7,8,9,10,A is correct.

jeff,
most dealers dont really know how to play, they know how to deal. your neighbor is incorrect

True, most dealers give bad advice, like always insure a blackjack.

 

[jeffksu]

is the rio a burn joint that has lousy pen and a good game...i would rather put my money on the casino...than any player...you included bigbet1234...hell after about losing 2 3 or 4 grand you'd find some sad story about things and have to quit....i'm sure there would be some kind of drama coming with it....let's just leave it at that....and next time your in vegas and want to impress folks like you do give me a call and i'll gather the troops and come on down and watch...

 

[bigbet1234]

Jeff, last time, yeah, Rio is a burn joint. Leave the gambling to the pros, and the dealing to dealers. what i win or lose doesnt matter. when i share my stories it is to let john q public no that is it tough. i can take a beating, and in my 10 years of ADVANTAGE play i have had my ups and downs, but always, and i mean always come out on top in the long run.

BOL

BB

PS stick to topic u know somthing about, you make yourself look like an ass.

is the rio a burn joint that has lousy pen and a good game...i would rather put my money on the casino...than any player...you included bigbet1234...hell after about losing 2 3 or 4 grand you'd find some sad story about things and have to quit....i'm sure there would be some kind of drama coming with it....let's just leave it at that....and next time your in vegas and want to impress folks like you do give me a call and i'll gather the troops and come on down and watch...

 

[jeffksu]

good luck to you as well...jeffksu

 

[slick69]

Does counting cards at a casino actually help? The few times I've played at Foxwoods they play with about six decks and reshuffle about a third of the way through

 

[bigbet1234]

With the right pen, and rules, yeah, you can win long term.

with 6 decks, you need about 4.5 decks dealt, and with 8 decks you need to see about 6 decks.

BB

Does counting cards at a casino actually help? The few times I've played at Foxwoods they play with about six decks and reshuffle about a third of the way through