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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fezzik:
The froggie is referring to games with building mini jackpots like the Piggy Bank Game, etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, many of the bank machines give you an accurate picture of what is left. There are too many to list. Diamond mines, wild cherry pie, fort knox, playoff jackpot poker, pirate ship, piggy bank, temperatures rising. Not as many as the old days, and the immigrants and tweekers have pretty much taken the gravy. But it was income, very steady. Best Wishes...OF
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OMNIVOROUS FROG:
it was that the public bet heavy on the slots during the weekend, and went home with machines loaded up to an advantage to the player. I am not beating the slot machine, I am beating the player who erroneously walked away.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Care to share a bit of info as to how one/you can tell when the machines might be loaded and ready to "spew"
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cc, it differs from slot to slot. Might be four out of five daggers, cherry pie almost full, 9 diamonds in 3 shafts, the thermometer ready to explode. I am leaving the rest up to you. I am upgrading pc's and internet, so my time is almost up. They do not spew money. But in the long term, you will make steady money. I led you to the water...Best Wishes...OF
 

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Little bit of trivia:

My friend and I were the very first players to ever play the FORT KNOX game in Vegas.

They were actually being installed as we waited.

Care to guess where they were at??
 

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My own thoughts....

1...How many pro craps players are out there compared to the pro bj players that count cards, and if successful and pose a threat to the casino, are forced to leave? Are there any pro craps players? One would think that there would be shows and stories on tv about pro craps players if there was a viable living to be made with dice. I just don't see it....some may have had success on occasion, but playing for a living?

2...The dice have to hit the back wall, and once they do all those wierd angles built into the wall send the dice on some uncontrolable tangent and bounce unpredictably....so much for spinning the dice to have them land flat on the same plane as they were spun on.

3...Blackjack is the only casino game available in that what you have seen influences the outcome of future events...(ok,maybe poker also)hence the need to count cards to make use of this clause....continuous shufflers eliminate this clause.....all other games like roulette and craps, the odds reset after ever throw...
 

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Anybody know of website that talks about the best slots etc to play and where they are in vegas....I used to get some Gamblers magazine that gave that info but don't recall name or the info..
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CedarCreaker:
Anybody know of website that talks about the best slots etc to play and where they are in vegas....I used to get some Gamblers magazine that gave that info but don't recall name or the info.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I just read your guys posts about machines on the verge of paying out....

reminds me of some friends of mine that use to case poker machines....seemed that there was a game on it where the 4's had a pool, every pair of fours advanced to pool number and on an inspecific number, the next player who hit the next pair of fours was paid out the entire pool. The same game had another pool with nines as its base...

My buddies watched the machines and figured out that both the fours and nines pools paid out shortly after a certain number was reached....all they did was scan the machines, look at the pool numbers, and if it was close enough to the target numbers that normally paid out, then they played that machine until it hit.

Seems that the randomness of payout wasn't random enough....nothing remarkable as far as profit, but it was enough of an edge to pick up a fifty or hundred every now and then....all they did was go down the line of machines and check where the pool numbers were at....
 

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QUESTION: When it comes to making the best bet in a casino, your advice is to employ perfect strategy at either blackjack or video poker. Here’s my issue with that: I am not interested in learning a new skill for a game that I will probably play once a month for only four hours at best. However, I also don’t want to make stupid bets that have a high house edge. Is there a game or wager where I can get a fair shake against the house without having to use my wits? — Cliff W.

ANSWER: If you don't want to use your noggin, here's the best bet in the entire casino: Walk up to a crap table and make a bet on the Pass line, and double odds underneath.
It gets even better if you can get even higher multiple odds. For instance, let's say you have a $5 Pass line bet and the point is 4. If you win, your pass line bet is paid at even money (1:1), bringing you $5 in winnings. Your Pass line bet alone has a house edge of 1.4%.
The Pass line wager alone is somewhat competitive against perfect play at video poker or blackjack, but it's not equal to or better than perfect play. So, Cliff, let’s enhance the wager to give it equal footing. By taking double odds ($10), you are paid at true odds (2:1) on that portion of the bet, bringing you $20 on the win.

The house edge is tied to the odds of the bet. At double odds, the house edge drops to 0.6%. At 10x odds, it's 0.2%, and at 100x odds, it falls all the way to 0.02%.

Bellying up to a crap table and joining the euphoria of this fast-paced game need not be intimidating as long as you stick to a simplified strategy of betting the Pass line and taking odds.

As for other casino options, there are two bets on a Baccarat game that offer a somewhat higher edge without requiring the use of any gray matter. (You don’t even have to know the rules as the hitting sequence is predetermined.) The house advantage is either 1.17% when betting the Bank hand or 1.36% with a Player hand wager.
 

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This Guy Says He'll Teach You How to Beat the House at Craps for Just $1,600
By Dan Hernandez

October 9, 2016



Dominic "The Dice Dominator" LoRiggio is the greatest craps player to ever live, a complete huckster, or both—it depends who you ask.

According to the 63-year-old gambler, his method of "dice control" has won him so much money he's been banned from most casinos in Las Vegas and Mississippi, and the many disciples to whom he's taught this method regularly make tens of thousands of dollars shooting bones.

If you believe him, he's used hours and hours of practice to turn the random act of rolling dice into a game of skill. And, allegedly, you can too.

"Craps is a simple physics problem; it's a moving projectile in the air," LoRiggio told me when we met in Las Vegas. "A bunch of people who were taught by me are out there now playing professionally, beating the game of craps with the throw that I developed."

LoRiggio's company, Golden Touch Craps, recently hosted a two-day seminar in a drab ballroom at the Fortune Hotel, east of the Las Vegas Strip. There, his team of instructors coached eager-faced gamblers—each of whom had paid $1,595 for the privilege—on setting, gripping, and tossing plastic cubes.

Mastering the Dominator's coveted throw is an eight-step process that involves commandeering a specific table slot, holding the dice a certain way, and releasing them in a manner intended to eliminate lateral spinning, minimize bouncing, and encourage the dice to tumble in unison so they don't show 4-3, 5-2, or 6-1—a "crap out" seven.

"I'm not Einstein. I'm not going to rewrite the ideas behind physics," said LoRiggio. The goal of dice control, he explained, is to alter the odds of landing a seven from one in six to one in 6.23 rolls, the point at which shooters gain an advantage equivalent to that of card counters at the blackjack table.



It's a tantalizing theory—one I wanted to buy. And clearly I wasn't alone. Golden Touch's two dozen students had flown in from around the country, some to take the class for a second or third time. They practiced on full-sized tables fitted with lights and cameras that allowed instructors to scrutinize each student's form through slow motion replay.
The mentors—"certified" instructors who've proved to the GTC board they can do the roll consistently—went by noms de guerre like Golden Arm, Alligator Rose, and Mr. Fineness. The company had dice-rolling practice rigs (available for $499) and a snack bar that included chocolate-covered cannolis. Everyone knows the house has an unbeatable edge at craps. But what LoRiggio's apparently profitable business presupposes is... maybe it doesn't.

He told me that traveling the country with a team of "rhythmic rollers" (as dice controllers call themselves) in the early 2000s got him banned from most high-stakes resorts, including Caesars Palace, the Paris, and the Bellagio. So, his story goes, he went public with his technique, selling books and videos on dice control. In 2002, he launched Golden Touch Craps to win vicariously through other shooters—plus, of course, to collect from those willing to pay to win.


"If I can't play, I want my students to beat the hell out of them," LoRiggio told me. "One texted me just last week. From here in Vegas actually. He bought in for 500 bucks at the Bellagio and cashed out with $28,000."

LoRiggio's attributes his rarified skill to loose wrists and strong hand-eye coordination gained playing piano as a child. He said musicians, athletes, and other people with experience developing muscle memory tend to make the best dice controllers, though he insists anyone can learn "precision shooting."


LoRiggio isn't the first or only gambler to claim he can control dice enough to win at craps. According to a glowing 2004 History Channel documentary about him, he learned from Chris Pawlicki, who wrote the book Get The Edge At Craps: How to Control the Dice under the name Sharpshooter. LoRiggio said that portions of the documentary were dramatized, though, and that he honed his take on the craft independently before forming a dice control team.

But as long as there have been dice controllers, there have been dice-control skeptics. Every casino requires craps shooters to hit the table's wall of a roll, and those walls that are textured with raised pyramids, making it extremely difficult, to say the least, to actually control how the dice land. Casinos generally aren't worried about these people the way the are blackjack card counters or players smuggling in loaded dice. LoRiggio believes that is because dice control rejuvenated an interest in craps, and superstitious players insist on setting dice if they'll play all.

But more likely, as he attests, the reason casinos often allow craps shooters to practice rhythmic rolling is that most supposed dice controllers are actually terrible at controlling dice. Chances are they'll do it wrong, and the house wins again.

It's next to impossible to definitively prove that dice control doesn't work. But most gambling experts who aren't trying to sell you books or courses on it say it's a waste of time.

"I don't believe in it," Bill Zender, a gaming consultant who advises Las Vegas casinos and a former manager of one, told me. "There are too many variables... If the dice turn just a fraction of an inch, they're going to roll off that axis. I hate to say it, but I think it's a big scam."

"No one has ever done dice control in a laboratory condition; they always say their arm would get tired after a hundred throws," he added. "But they're not tossing fastballs here... My feeling is they write the books and sell the program and that's how they make the money."

For his part, LoRiggio said he's never refused to demonstrate his throw, and can prove its effectiveness through GTC's own tracking software.

"I say yell it from the treetops that dice control doesn't work," he added. "Why? Because then my students and myself can play to our heart's content doing what we do... If it wasn't true I wouldn't be banned from the Bellagio, I wouldn't be banned at the Paris, I wouldn't be banned from every casino in the state of Mississippi."

But practicing dice control isn't officially prohibited in casinos, though pit bosses can ban people at their own discretion. According to Alan Silver, a former casino executive and professor who focuses on the gambling industry at Ohio University, "Casinos are aware that craps players are superstitious, and if it takes certain idiosyncrasies to get players to play and play longer, they let them do it because the house knows it has a huge built in advantage."

LoRiggio wouldn't let me watch him play in casinos, where he says he'll go as far as to disguise himself as a homeless man or tattooed biker to get a few turns in at resorts like the Bellagio. So I had to rely on former students who'd caught him in action for anecdotes on his skill. One, an airline pilot who preferred to remain anonymous, said he thinks GTC is "sort of a scam" because of its aggressive pricing, but that dice control is real.

The pilot said that when he spotted the Dominator and his cohorts shooting dice at the Rio in Las Vegas, they rolled 20, 30, and 25 times before crapping out. This student went on to take advanced courses and says he practices their technique in his basement for an hour each day. He claims to be one of 50 or so people in country who can consistently execute the Golden Touch roll—one in 50 out of thousands who've tried.

"Business is great," LoRiggio told me, adding that every seminar in 2016 was full and the first one in 2017 in Atlantic City has already sold out. The company will soon publish a new book about the Dominator's exploits. Despite the skeptics, he says his method of dice control is real, and it's spectacular.

"I've always said this is going to be on my gravestone," he boasted. "That I'm the guy who developed the throw to beat the game of craps."
 

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I beat it Sunday, but cannot beat it long term. No one can.
 

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I beat it Sunday, but cannot beat it long term. No one can.
wow, I just reread that, I could see how some may get this statement the wrong way..I am referring to beating the game of craps, lol

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It is by far the most exciting game to play when the shooter is on fire....you can hear the screams throughout the casino....
 

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Short term, yes

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