6-5 payout sucks. However, if you are playing at your own table, can keep an accurate count, and get it in your favor - increased wagers at 6:5 are better than flat betting and winning at 3:2 where you can't count and thus can't vary your bets accordingly. Trust me, nobody at the IP or downtown joints are hawking anybody over card counting, although this movie coming out won't help anyone.
I wouldn't play the 6-5 game at all. 5% of the time you get BJ. At a slow pace of 60 hands an hour, a flat $10 player gets $12 instead of $15 three times, shorted $9.
You can get SD 3-2 downtown.
If you can count SD, you can count shoe.
To make up for the short, you might try going 10-100, and force a shuffle. You can keep that game.
You can get SD 3-2 downtown.
If you can count SD, you can count shoe.
To make up for the short, you might try going 10-100, and force a shuffle. You can keep that game.
6:5 IS PURE GARBAGE
dont waste your time
the glory days are long gone, but just since i turned 21 (4 yrs ago) the games have really turned to garbage
when i went to vegas a few years ago i could go downtown and hit up about 10 diff casinos with really good games
i just got back from there and only 2 were worth playing downtown and they were nothing special, and ofcourse since you dont have much to choose from you get backed off quickly
ive put a lot of effort into card counting but im done with it
poker is more profitale with less swings and less of a bankroll
bj just isnt worth the effort anymore atleast not in this country
however comparing roulette (and weiting down numbers lmao- why do y ou think the casino puts up the board with recent numbers-notice they dont post the bj count) is laughable.
Great post. About 2 years or so ago I was reading some board that was hard core pro BJ players and they were talking about which places to play around the WORLD where they could get games that had deep penetration in the deck what were the consequences of winning big, etc. And trust me, the USA locations were not part of the conversation.
Also, about the MIT team. They were doing a lot of things not seen before. Let's keep in mind these kids are the smartest young minds out there.
lol that article is funny as hell
the four queens game was great 3 years ago
all 3 times i went the other day it was pure crap
it is still 3-2 but they cut a deck off of the double deck game
most places are friendly at first and ask you not to play bj anymore but feel free to play all the other idiotic garbage they have to offer
personally i never saw the fun i n gambling when you will lose, thats just not fun to me
i really dont understand why they waste time banning counters- ive literly seen 1 other person who could actually count accuratly and make the correct plays
one time when i didnt have much money i was in ac hilton which actually had a good game
i was spreading 5-75 and maybe making 5-6 bucks an hour
it got to the point where they cut off my comps, half shioed me and then had 4 pit bosses staring at my table
just to piss them off i would get up, walk away and come back 10 mins later to make them do it all again
this was some of the dumbest shit ive ever seen
casinos are a printing press, which is why lazy imcompetent people in management can keep their jobs- they have no clue how to maximize profits, waste resourses etc, but its such a profitable business these dildos still look good. if they were in any other business they would be fired and the business would go under
almost any casino ive ever been i n should me making way more money, but most of these fools dont even understand the math behind the games so they have no clue how to make as much as possible
the four queens game was great 3 years ago
all 3 times i went the other day it was pure crap
it is still 3-2 but they cut a deck off of the double deck game
most places are friendly at first and ask you not to play bj anymore but feel free to play all the other idiotic garbage they have to offer
personally i never saw the fun i n gambling when you will lose, thats just not fun to me
i really dont understand why they waste time banning counters- ive literly seen 1 other person who could actually count accuratly and make the correct plays
one time when i didnt have much money i was in ac hilton which actually had a good game
i was spreading 5-75 and maybe making 5-6 bucks an hour
it got to the point where they cut off my comps, half shioed me and then had 4 pit bosses staring at my table
just to piss them off i would get up, walk away and come back 10 mins later to make them do it all again
this was some of the dumbest shit ive ever seen
casinos are a printing press, which is why lazy imcompetent people in management can keep their jobs- they have no clue how to maximize profits, waste resourses etc, but its such a profitable business these dildos still look good. if they were in any other business they would be fired and the business would go under
almost any casino ive ever been i n should me making way more money, but most of these fools dont even understand the math behind the games so they have no clue how to make as much as possible
to be honest i could trade a monkey the mechnics of counting- thats the easy part
finding good games, not tilting and having a bankroll are a lot harder
Im a lot smarter than most people, especially with math, but nowhere near MIT level.I got a 1300 on the old sat with a 720 on the math part, which isnt bad but nothing special. but you could put me on one of those teams and I could fill in for any of those guys. There extra intelligence would not make a difference. Also they were being backed, so really were working off someone elses bankroll which makes things a lot easier. Back then casinos didnt ban mid shoe entry so team play was easy, especially since they werent looking for it.
Im sure people are thinking of other ways to beat bj that dont involve counting. An example is in some places they allow rider bets. For example i bet whatever I want and make all of the decsions, you bet behind me.So if we wanted to exploit this I could bet 5 dollars a hand,and you could bet 2000, with no counting. The advantage comes in beause of splitting. The person in the back would have the option of whether or not they wanted to split with the person in the front. For example if I had 7 7 vs a 5 and split you could either put up another 2000 and split with me. If not your original 2000 would stand behind behind the first 7 only. So on offesnive splits lilke this you WOULD put up more money to split with me, but on defensive splits (splits with neg expectation but less less neg expectation that not splitting) like 8,8 vs 10 you WOULNT split with me, you would just play the one 8 vs 10. These moves would be the only differeence in basic strategy. You would even have the orignal better split 3,3 vs a 9 10 ace (a few others im forgetting) to get the backer betting 2k one hand of 3 vs 10 instead of 1 hand of 6 vs 10.
You are correct in games around the world still being good, but Im not going to some 3rd world country where im likely to get robbed or worse to play some good bj. As good as the games were 20 years ago, im still pissed at how bad theyve gotten in the last 3 years.
finding good games, not tilting and having a bankroll are a lot harder
Im a lot smarter than most people, especially with math, but nowhere near MIT level.I got a 1300 on the old sat with a 720 on the math part, which isnt bad but nothing special. but you could put me on one of those teams and I could fill in for any of those guys. There extra intelligence would not make a difference. Also they were being backed, so really were working off someone elses bankroll which makes things a lot easier. Back then casinos didnt ban mid shoe entry so team play was easy, especially since they werent looking for it.
Im sure people are thinking of other ways to beat bj that dont involve counting. An example is in some places they allow rider bets. For example i bet whatever I want and make all of the decsions, you bet behind me.So if we wanted to exploit this I could bet 5 dollars a hand,and you could bet 2000, with no counting. The advantage comes in beause of splitting. The person in the back would have the option of whether or not they wanted to split with the person in the front. For example if I had 7 7 vs a 5 and split you could either put up another 2000 and split with me. If not your original 2000 would stand behind behind the first 7 only. So on offesnive splits lilke this you WOULD put up more money to split with me, but on defensive splits (splits with neg expectation but less less neg expectation that not splitting) like 8,8 vs 10 you WOULNT split with me, you would just play the one 8 vs 10. These moves would be the only differeence in basic strategy. You would even have the orignal better split 3,3 vs a 9 10 ace (a few others im forgetting) to get the backer betting 2k one hand of 3 vs 10 instead of 1 hand of 6 vs 10.
You are correct in games around the world still being good, but Im not going to some 3rd world country where im likely to get robbed or worse to play some good bj. As good as the games were 20 years ago, im still pissed at how bad theyve gotten in the last 3 years.
At this site i made the comment that keeping tabs at a roulette wheel is not much differant than counting card. predictably the card counters felt there was a differance. I recently read the book about the MIT guys who supposdly chewed up Vegas counting and increasing there bets. I know who knows.
But, lets talk about a 6 or 8 deck table. To get the positive count one needs to up there bet substantially i would think in a 5 or 6 hour session you would get 3 opportunities to increase ones wager. If I understood someone the other day playing near perfect system has a negitive EV of $12.00 per hour at a $25.00 table.So in 6 hrs all things being equal one would be minus $125.00 before the opportunities occur. Now if we get 3 of these positive counts and we go raise out bet to $250.00 from $25.00 The house should win 1 we should win 1 and possibly the second one. So we win $250.00 lose $125.00 in 6 hrs of play for a net of $125.00 or $20.00 an hour. Thata assuming we win the extra hand. For simplicity sakes I assume the remaining 4 cards are 3 tens and an 8. Oh if you dont win the extrea hand and you wind up losing you now lose 375 for the session. So you are playing in a game where you can win $125 and lose $375. Is that really worth it?
Please allow me to say I have been gambling for 50+ years am not having an alzehimers attack. I might qualify as a square as I like the overs and I like the favorites except for some real dogs in baseball that I bet against. In my real world I trade options and futures so math works for me. I just think this card counting at 6 and 8 deck tables is over rated. Besides its a slow Saturday and the all star break is coming up so Ithought I would write this letter. Please do not atack me personally as it would only provke me to attack more of the gambvling shilloboths (fancy word) probablly spelled incorrectly. have a nice weekend. lookingforward to the inteligent comentary that will be forth coming.:)
correct me if I'm wrong here since it's been awhile since I read the book but didn't the MIT teams have 1 or 2 big players that only bet when the count was allready in there favor and they had like 5 or 6 guys that just played basic stategy at the table minimum. If your doing that than the $12.00 an hour the small bettor is losing isn't crap because the big player is going to come in when the count is good and bet 2K a hand. Plus team play makes it harder for the casino to see that your counting. If your by yourself at a table and go from betting $25 a hand to $500 a hand your going to get found out real quickly.
Yes and the best known big bettor was of Asian ancestry, since they are known to be high limit crazy bettors.
Was playing DD at the Riviera many years ago and the only other player at the table went from a $5 to a $100 bet and we got a shuffle up. He was a crazy Asian bettor, the deck was slightly negative and he certainly wasn't counting. They typically raise the bet when they feel "lucky".
Playing with that 13 card deck all night long would be a huge advantage.
The hard part of it would be to determine optimal bet size. I can't answer that part of it. It would take a Ganchrow or Woody type to figure it out.
So lets say you have $1,000.... how much do you start betting per hand ?
It can't be $200, because you could lose all if the dealer gets the ace immediately.
I'd think $25 would be safe, then keep increasing it as you win.
Maybe $50, when you get to $1500
$75 at $2500
$100 at $3000
drop back if the dealer gets the ace a few times and you lose some back, then keep pushing it up as you win, until you hit the table limit.
I'm keeping it at $25 increments. I think my bets here are small enough to have very little chance of busting out.
The hard part of it would be to determine optimal bet size. I can't answer that part of it. It would take a Ganchrow or Woody type to figure it out.
So lets say you have $1,000.... how much do you start betting per hand ?
It can't be $200, because you could lose all if the dealer gets the ace immediately.
I'd think $25 would be safe, then keep increasing it as you win.
Maybe $50, when you get to $1500
$75 at $2500
$100 at $3000
drop back if the dealer gets the ace a few times and you lose some back, then keep pushing it up as you win, until you hit the table limit.
I'm keeping it at $25 increments. I think my bets here are small enough to have very little chance of busting out.
