Interesting Pac-12 recruiting notes.

[cloverleaf]

Notice BD that Alvarez jumped in and coached the bowl games when Andersen left...same thing when Bielema left.

Rather than let one of the coordinators lead the team...he jumps in as top dog and takes over.

Amazingly, he billed the school for extra pay for coaching in the bowls. I don't like the guy!

 

[CoachCB]

Notice BD that Alvarez jumped in and coached the bowl games when Andersen left...same thing when Bielema left.

Rather than let one of the coordinators lead the team...he jumps in as top dog and takes over.

Amazingly, he billed the school for extra pay for coaching in the bowls. I don't like the guy!

That's the thing CL. Why didn't he let one of the coordinators do it. Ego-Maniac, that's why. Wisconsin will be better off when he calls it a day....

 

[cloverleaf]

Agree Coach....name other AD's who jump in and coach teams in a bowl.

The greedy bastard billed/sucked extra money from the university for doing this.

He's earning a nice salary as athletic director....any decent human being....well, didn't happen.

This guy will milk Wisconsin for every penny while ruining a fine/established football program.

 

[sendacash]

Bottom line is that Wisky and Alvarez trucked Auburn and cashed my ML ticket. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

 

[TyBounce]

Notice BD that Alvarez jumped in and coached the bowl games when Andersen left...same thing when Bielema left.

Rather than let one of the coordinators lead the team...he jumps in as top dog and takes over.

Amazingly, he billed the school for extra pay for coaching in the bowls. I don't like the guy!

Yeah , can't believe he did that ! Wasn't it like 600k ? I dont like him either.

 

[CoachCB]

Bottom line is that Wisky and Alvarez trucked Auburn and cashed my ML ticket. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

Look, dude! This forum isn't about gambling!!!

 

[BigdaddyQH]

No doubt that Alvarez simply cannot give up the ghost. Wisky is not a great away team, and you do not win Championships if you cannot win away from home. In the past 5 seasons, Wisky is 16-15 in games away from Madison. That is NOT a championship record. Wisky is a good team, but will never be a great team as long as Alvarez is there to promote his "3 yards and a cloud of dust" brand of football. Does anyone in here think that Paul Chryst is more than a "yes man" for Alvarez?

 

[CoachCB]

No doubt that Alvarez simply cannot give up the ghost. Wisky is not a great away team, and you do not win Championships if you cannot win away from home. In the past 5 seasons, Wisky is 16-15 in games away from Madison. That is NOT a championship record. Wisky is a good team, but will never be a great team as long as Alvarez is there to promote his "3 yards and a cloud of dust" brand of football. Does anyone in here think that Paul Chryst is more than a "yes man" for Alvarez?

True, but they're good for an upset or two here and there.

I think Chryst will do exactly what Barry wants him to do....which is a shame.

 

[GoSooners]

Alvarez or no Alvarez, it's when Whisky gets away from doing what they do best is probably when they'll start sinking into oblivion, since they sure don't recruit well enough to be a world class outfit in any given year. It will be like asking KSU to stop doing what they do best under Snyder. If that ever happens, I don't see that one ending well either...

 

[Conan]

Alvarez or no Alvarez, it's when Wisky gets away from doing what they do best is probably when they'll start sinking into oblivion, since they sure don't recruit well enough to be a world class outfit in any given year. It will be like asking KSU to stop doing what they do best under Snyder. If that ever happens, I don't see that one ending well either...

Creatures of habit, hooked on tradition. Going no place and doing a great job getting there.

Makes me think of what Mike Riley must be walking into at Nebraska. They've never seen
a Pro-style offense. They've lived on the option since the wishbone days if I heard it right.

Come to think of it, morphing is a part of the game... it just don't come easy.

 

[sendacash]

Creatures of habit, hooked on tradition. Going no place and doing a great job getting there.

Makes me think of what Mike Riley must be walking into at Nebraska. They've never seen
a Pro-style offense. They've lived on the option since the wishbone days if I heard it right.

Come to think of it, morphing is a part of the game... it just don't come easy.

It won't be the first time as during the dark days of the Bill Callahan era, the Corn ran a verison of the West Coast offense: http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=31071 I'm sure those are seasons most Huskers fans would rather forget. There's a reason why those teams in the Plains wanted to run the ball, bad weather with wind, rain, etc and tremendous home field advantadges with a focus on solid defenses. In a weird way, that kind of sounds like the formulsa used by the Seattle Seahawks. Running the ball via the option and playing great defense ala the Blackshirts were a winning startegy no doubt, and they have the National Champ banners hanging in Lincoln to prove it.

 

[rivercitybirdie]

i'm a huge pac 12 fan, but i'm pretty sure that wisconsin "as is" would do extremely well in the conference.

but with OreState's players the strategy would do terribly

that's horrible about alvarez coaching the bowls (depriving assistants of amazing exposure/experience/opportunity) AND paying himself extra...

 

[rivercitybirdie]

was callahan that much worse than what nebraska was under pellini and likely will be under riley?

nebraska strikes me as the #1 team that time has just passed by.......... not much football talent in that state beyond a few OL....

very generally iowa, nebraska, washington all seem like schools that can change coaches alot but they will usually end up in a reasonable pre-ordained spot.... i think michigan is heading here really fast too.

 

[BigdaddyQH]

Notice how Ohio State QB's Barrett and Jones were given the lions share of the credit for the Buckeye's NC run last season. The bottom line is this. Without a very good QB, teams have little chance of winning on a consistent basis and getting into the playoffs. This is where teams like Wisconsin and Nebraska fail year after year. They certainly win their share of games year after year, but we are talking the Big 10 here, so that is not too difficult to do. It has been many years since anyone in the Big 10 but Ohio State has challenged for a NC.


As far as Wisconsin being successful in the Pac 12, I really do not see them defeating teams like Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA, The two Arizona schools, or even Washington on a consistent basis.

 

[RunLeeRun]

Alvarez or no Alvarez, it's when Whisky gets away from doing what they do best is probably when they'll start sinking into oblivion, since they sure don't recruit well enough to be a world class outfit in any given year. It will be like asking KSU to stop doing what they do best under Snyder. If that ever happens, I don't see that one ending well either...

Fully agree. Alvarez may be overly involved but his blueprint is probably one of very few that will work in Wisconsin, and he knows it fully. The Badgers are not the top draw in the state. Green Bay will always have precedence and then there are other pro teams that pull attention as well. So, when you factor in that with the recruiting obstacles and, according to Gary Anderson (and I think there is truth to it) the higher admission standards, Wisconsin probably is probably a program that needs a certain style to be successful.

 

[BigdaddyQH]

If Wisconsin has to depend on the offensive system they currently use, they will never be major players in the chase for the National Championship. Just look at the record. Wisky finally won a bowl game last season, defeating a 5 loss Auburn team. That Auburn team lost 4 out of their last 5 games. Their only win came against FCS Samford. Before that Wisconsin had lost four straight bowl games. Their record versus non-con Power 5 teams is 3-7 in the past 5 years. That is a record of failure and that is what Wisconsin fans can expect year after year as long as Alvarez is calling the shots. This season Wisky opens against Alabama in Dallas. Does anyone give them a legitimate shot at winning that game? I sure do not. Again, it becomes a question of what fans are willing to settle for. If Wisky fans are willing to settle for 7-10 win seasons and a bowl game, then keep the same system. They have enough talent for that. If fans want to see legitimate shots at National Championships, then it is time for Wisky to change their offensive philosophy.

 

[Conan]

Sometimes a recruit attracts a lot of attention because of the school he is involved with.
Stanford's illustrious history of top QB's from its past is all it takes to peak my interest in
a new QB recruit.


Costello Picks Stanford

ESPN Jr. 300 QB K.J. Costello commits to Stanford.

 

[BigdaddyQH]

Much like USC seems to attract the best Runners and Linebackers, though their QB selections of late have been pretty decent.

 

[RunLeeRun]

Creatures of habit, hooked on tradition. Going no place and doing a great job getting there.

Makes me think of what Mike Riley must be walking into at Nebraska. They've never seen
a Pro-style offense. They've lived on the option since the wishbone days if I heard it right.

Come to think of it, morphing is a part of the game... it just don't come easy.

Pro-style is such a broad term. But I think people mean it to describe a balanced offense, and less about certain formations. There is a lot of truth that Nebraska leaned on the run game during it's most successful times. But I also think they were slightly more balanced than people give them credit for. The 70-71 teams didn't run much QB-option (maybe 5 times a game). They even ran some no huddle offense, which is certainly Pro-esque. I'd say they were a very I-formation team. In the mid-70's they had a QB that started in a SuperBowl, one Vince Ferragamo, but they weren't as succesfull those years, getting killed by the Wishbone Oklahoma teams that rarely every passed the ball. Again, I have to admit the importance of the run game on the plains (looking at you too Oklahoma). That pushed Nebraska to look to adding the option game from many formations. Nebraska really only ran the option 15 times a game in it's heyday. It was way more power run than anything. And it's philosophical approach to option football was that it was much like a pass. Chances are it was for little or no gain, or a very big gain with a slight elevation in turnover potential. Viewed in that light, under Osborne were are looking at a close to 60-40 run-pass offense. Not quite as lopsided as one might think.

How this relates to Mike Riley? I think he will learn the importance to the run game. He's very open-minded and I have looked his teams over. He does very well at playing to his teams strengths. Given that Nebraska has mostly only mobile qb's, I think you will see "some" qb running built into his jet-sweep scheme. I base that, again, on his history of adjusting to talent, his comments he made while still at Oregon St about need to change things up, about OC Danny Langsdorf comments about learning from Russel Wilson at Seattle and how that run-game killed the Giants, and the fact that Nebraska is actively recruiting QB's that aren't strictly pro-style.

 

[cloverleaf]

Pro-style is such a broad term. But I think people mean it to describe a balanced offense, and less about certain formations. There is a lot of truth that Nebraska leaned on the run game during it's most successful times. But I also think they were slightly more balanced than people give them credit for. The 70-71 teams didn't run much QB-option (maybe 5 times a game). They even ran some no huddle offense, which is certainly Pro-esque. I'd say they were a very I-formation team. In the mid-70's they had a QB that started in a SuperBowl, one Vince Ferragamo, but they weren't as succesfull those years, getting killed by the Wishbone Oklahoma teams that rarely every passed the ball. Again, I have to admit the importance of the run game on the plains (looking at you too Oklahoma). That pushed Nebraska to look to adding the option game from many formations. Nebraska really only ran the option 15 times a game in it's heyday. It was way more power run than anything. And it's philosophical approach to option football was that it was much like a pass. Chances are it was for little or no gain, or a very big gain with a slight elevation in turnover potential. Viewed in that light, under Osborne were are looking at a close to 60-40 run-pass offense. Not quite as lopsided as one might think.

How this relates to Mike Riley? I think he will learn the importance to the run game. He's very open-minded and I have looked his teams over. He does very well at playing to his teams strengths. Given that Nebraska has mostly only mobile qb's, I think you will see "some" qb running built into his jet-sweep scheme. I base that, again, on his history of adjusting to talent, his comments he made while still at Oregon St about need to change things up, about OC Danny Langsdorf comments about learning from Russel Wilson at Seattle and how that run-game killed the Giants, and the fact that Nebraska is actively recruiting QB's that aren't strictly pro-style.

Excellent read RLR..........