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What pisses me off is how people hate Bush purley for his politics and policys.
Yet they like Clinton who will prove to be at the end of the day one of the most corrupt ethically challenged presidents in history.He is one of the most vile discusting human beings in the world.
Bush will prove to be one of the best presidents ever.
 
After we get rid of Saddam the truth of what's going on in Iraq will shame these anti-war/Bush people. The public doesn't even know 5% of what's going on. The US government is not going to put all the cards on the table so it can be televised. I believe Bush & Powell over a murdering dictator which the lefties apparently believe Saddam. OBOY.

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Wilheim - I assume with quality of life you are talking about the overall warm fuzzy feeling people have their life now compared to 5 years ago. yes?

I will assume yes.

Of course my life was better back in 98. I wasn't concerned with terrorism and thanks to the dot commers my field as a programmer was booming. However, I don't think you can solely blame Bush for the terrorist attacks on 9-11 or for the dot com bust. It's not his fault these dot commers didn't have a sound business plan and failed.

These 2 things effected me the most over the past couple years but I personally can't blame President Bush for it. I just don't see how it is just his fault. I can't prove this but I think it is pretty fair to say that the Clinton administration had some knowledge of terrorist attacks and they contributed somewhat to the dot com explosion also. Weren't there some attacks while he was in office? To my knowledge he did not do anything to help prevent something like 9/11 from happening.

Of course this is just my opinion and I hope we can all have a decent discussion and stop the name calling. I do not agree with the Liberal/Protestor point of view but I would like to understand where they are coming from.

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1 more thing on Clinton...How can we miss him when he won't go away.

The reason for clinton and carter speak to the UN and in european circles is because they can speak to appease them and their global baloney, we are the world bullshit...Their philosphys are more in line with the Euros than main stream America.
How do you like Carter? He excepts the Arafat award on the premise that he is anti Bush.. a week later NKorea announces that they have a nuclear weapon devolped during the treaty that he and the war hero put together...pathetic.
Let me remind you of somthing America became America in spite of Europe not because of it.
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Bill Clinton & Hillary CLinton = Coruption

Luckily Bill Clinton was a smooth talker in public.

The good times during the 90s' was a mirage. Overvalued market which led to the current recession that started at the end of Clinton's term of President. The 911 tragedy certainly affected the market and prolonged this recession.
 

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>>>Yet they like Clinton who will prove to be at the end of the day one of the most corrupt ethically challenged presidents in history.

He'll never beat Ronald Reagan in that regard.


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>>>I believe Bush & Powell over a murdering dictator

So I guess it doesn't bother you that Dick Cheney was committing TREASON when he was the head of Halliburton, for illegally doing business with the very Saddam Hussein that he now calls a murderous dictator.

You believe Bush only because you've been brainwashed by the corporate media machine.

Saddam = lying scumbag
Bush = lying scumbag

Send them BOTH straight to HELL for all I care.


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I will also make an assumption. I assume you can tell the difference between the two fortunetellers who have posted above and myself. I asked you to think back and compare the enviornment inside the US at two different times in recent history. Do I hate Bush, no of course not, am I dissappointed in the direction the country is going (Iraq aside) yes, personal freedoms,guranteed to us in the Constitution are being tread upon. To me this is not something I see as positive. You admit your life was better in 1998, so was'nt mine. I never said the situaton we find ourselves in today, (dot.com failure, terrorism fears, inflation, budget deficit, gas prices, etc.) as the fault of the president or his administration, it is the predicament we find ourselves living in. As a liberal I will tell you what makes me take the political views I do. I believe in all humanity being equal, I believe in the value of a human life. I don't believe cruise missles will solve anything. Am I a march in front of the Capitol protestor? No I am not, this does not mean I do not share the views of such protestors. A certain percent of people are always going to be on the outer fringes, right or left (see above posts), they are the protestors of the right, radical and unmoveable in their thinking. I consider myslf open minded enough to look at both side of an issue. Saying that the same old blame everything on Klinton is unproductive, and part of the problem, not the solution to todays incredibly complex geopolitical problems. Do I have the answers, again, of course not. I do however have a right to my own opinion, I am convinved the entire world was much better off 5 years ago, you tell me if I am wrong and why.


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Wilheim - It sounds like we are very similar, just slightly different views. Obviously I am more Republican than Democrat.

There is no doubt the US was better 5 years ago. No Doubt!

I don't like the way the country is going right now either but with the state of the world, I agree with Bush that we need to get evil doers in the world before they get us. If Bush says he has information that proves Iraq has chemical or biological weapons then I believe him, and I don't want to wait for Saddam to use them like many of the Liberals do. I know many Liberals want to wait for a smoking gun but why wait and risk huge US civilian lives if we can prevent it by getting Saddam out of power.

I know many Liberals say they are concerned about the US killing many innocent Iraqis. We all know that the US tries very hard to avoid the loss of innocent human beings. Look at Afganistan, there were hardly any innocent lives lost and now the people of Afganistan can live free life. I don't think there is any argument that the people of Afganistan have a much better life. The same thing will happen in Iraq.

Of course that is opinion but I don't see how I could be wrong.

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Nice post Kman.

My problem is not so much with war itself, as it is simply inevitable & unavoidable at times rather my problem is with this notion of pre-emptive attacking.

Consider the dangers of this notion (which are happening as we speak) ...

You can be detained INDEFINATELY is you are SUSPECTED to be a terrorist. - This is the opposite of the American Justice Premise of "innocent until proven guilty".

Most of us don't give these things a second thought because it hasn't effected us personally ... but imagine if it did. Try to speculate on the helplessness of seeing your loved ones imprisioned indefinately .. no judge, no jury ... under a SUSPICION (quite possibly a false suspicion).

These laws are taking away the liberties that protect us from mis-justice ... I do believe that they were done in good faith, but they open up the door for a scary possibility.

How is suspected terrorism defined? Leading a pro-Palestine rally? I think Rumsfield can become very dangerous with these loosely interpreted laws ... I fear that "suspected terror" will become synonymous with "opposition", synonymous with "dissent".

If we can pre-emptively strike our foreign "enemies" then what's to stop an internal strike ...

... these shifts in policy open the doors to a police state that benefits only those in power.
 

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oh yeah I remember Clinton... it was terrible:
booming economy, budget surplus, peace, and all those terrible things we don't have now.
 

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Lander - I agree somewhat. I don't like it that people are falsely imprisoned. Unfortunately the US is different now. I have no way of proving this but in the Clinton email that I got today (the one I posted in another thread) (item 14) it said Clinton forced Israel to release Mohammed Atta because he shouldn't have been in jail. He turns aournd and fly's a plane into the WTC.

We have to find a median. I'm pretty sure that the government must have some pretty good evidence that a person has terrorist connections before they are arrested. The professor they arrested yesterday was on Bill O'Reilly's show over a year ago and Bill was telling him that there was so much circumstantial evidence on him that if he (Bill) was the CIA, he would be on this professor like his shadow. At the time the government said there wasn't enough evidence to imprison him. Finally over a year later they take him in.

This example shows that they just don't take anyone in on suspicion alone. I know this is just one case and there are probably more where people are arrested with much less evidence.

I'm probably not a good person to discuss the falsely imprisoned debate with because I can almost guarantee that I will never get falsely imprisoned because I don't put my myself in that position.

Is there anything else you are concerned with besides being falsely Imprisoned?

KMAN
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Banned4Life:
>>>I believe Bush & Powell over a murdering dictator

So I guess it doesn't bother you that Dick Cheney was committing TREASON when he was the head of Halliburton, for illegally doing business with the very Saddam Hussein that he now calls a murderous dictator.

You believe Bush only because you've been brainwashed by the corporate media machine.

Saddam = lying scumbag
Bush = lying scumbag

Send them BOTH straight to HELL for all I care.


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Nicely put.
 

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I have absolutely nothing of value to add to this topic.
 

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I still dont get what this has to do with the Clinton/Gore campain?.....GWB never ran against Clinton.....
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KMAN,
Yes, there are other things that bother me about the Bush Administration.

1. The economy. It is horrible - trade deficit is at a all time high, the unemployment rate is too high, the consumer confidence is near all time lows ...

... I'm not blaming Bush for getting us into this economic mess, but I am blaming him for NOT listening to people that can get us out of the what was a recession/ and still is a huge lull. I'm tired of Republicans preaching his $300 tax relief ... IT DID NOTHING .. he gave money that the Gov't didn't have which didn't even help the economy & has us even further into debt. He didn't listen to Paul Oneil then & now he fires him (as if this is his fault - BUSH doesn't listen to him but sure as hell wants to use him as a fall guy).

I am also against this entire notion of pre-emptive strikes. It is BAD policy. Bottom line, OBL was Saudi .. 15 of 19 highjackers were Saudi .. but they cooperate so we don't attack them (not saying we should either), but we use what their people did as an excuse to start conflict after conflict after conflict.

He is an egotistical/stubborn/war-happy president ... very VERY dangerous qualities to have in a leader.
 

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3. Thank you for showing us that sexual harassment in the work place (especially the White House) and on the job is OK, and all you have to know is what the meaning of "is" is. It really is great to know that certain sexual acts are not sex, and one person may have sex while the other one involved does NOT have sex.



She approached many men in the white house looking for a sexual affair, so she could get rich and famous. Clinton took the bait. She approached him, saved the dress for proof because she knew she was going to take this public. Then she gets rich and famous off the deal AND SHE IS A VICTIM OF SEXUAL HARRASSMENT ???????????????????? get real here. She knew what she was doing, and Clinton is only to blame because he took the bait. Clinton will be long gone from this earth and people will still be taking cheap shots at him.

KMAN - I find it interesting that you would post this negativity against a president who actually was chosen by the majority of the people.
 
>a president who actually was chosen by the majority of the people.

Which one, Danny?

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Clinton was. I don't have the exact numbers, but I know he smoked Bush and Dole both.
 

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