Important news for this forum's liberals...

[DreamMaker]

from BBC News :

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Leading newspapers in Colombia have expressed shock and outrage at the killing by left-wing rebels of a provincial governor and a former defence minister who were being held hostage.

However one editorial attacks the country's inequitable social and economic system which it says is at the root of the insurgency and makes a passionate call for change.

Bogota's El Tiempo calls the killing "an atrocious crime" and warns it will have "profound repercussions" for the country's future.

"Such an enormously sad and horrible incident... will have unforeseen consequences for the armed conflict, putting in jeopardy negotiations between the government and the rebels to exchange hostages for jailed guerrillas."

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But....who cares if there's a war in Colombia ? Who cares if innocents are being killed over there ? Its the left wing guerilla killing people, so its "politically correct" to avoid talking about these poor campesinos...

Yes, its also "politically correct" to bust the balls of our soldiers fighting down in Iraq to free the country from an unlawful regime....

 

[JudgeWapner]

Man,that is a stretch.

 

[PatPatriot]

Well, I guess we will have to leave it to the UN or France.

 

[FunkSoulBrother]

I think this one is in the hands of our nations "moral" conservatives. If they would legalize let us grow marijuana, opium, and cocaine, then:

-The Price would drop
-The farmers in Bush states like mine would see revitalized economy.
-The cartels would be out of business.
-We'd save countless billions on the drug war, and make countless more billions on drug taxes, with plenty left over for education and prevention and treatment and more cops to treat the crime that the drug addictions cause.

The Ball is in your court.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

amen judge. That IS a stretch.

From what I've read, all segments of the spectrum, right and left, take part in murder in Colombia. And, everyone uses cocaine money to further their cause.

 

[DreamMaker]

Sorry RFCsky....

I forgot to mention that it is politically correct NOT to talk about Colombian killings due to the fact that they are all cocaine smugglers/dealers .

Yeah, lets kill'em all in silence then

 

[corey]

Dream,

If you are in the US and don't read Spanish you don't know half the sh&t that goes on there. Both sides are in on the drugs, kidnapping, etc....

I say this here and will take bets on it. If the US ever got seriously involved in Columbia, it would be another Vietam. I know people said that about Iraq (I wasn't one of them though) but this place is WAY different.

That civil war has really been going on for about 40 years now and won't end anytime soon unless drugs are legalized.

 

[radiofreecostarica]

violence begets violence.

So, if you are set out to "kill them all" then you've no right to whine and cry "victim" when that violence comes to your shores...

 

[DreamMaker]

Don't twist my words dude. I said that for you "politically correct" guys those campesinos may be all slaughtered since it doesn't make sense to protest for peace in Colombia. Why ? There's no yankee soldier killing some innocent down there...

Give me a break !

 

[kayaman+]

I guess since there are only bananas, coffee, and cocaine there and no oil, we won't get involved.

 

Nice try Kaya. Still waiting for that first oil shipment from Afghanistan, Kosovo, South Korea and others. I hear the crude from Somalia is premium

. Keep spinning though bro...you know I need a good laugh from time to time.

 

[kayaman+]

Nice try???

Are you implying that we are planning to "free" any peoples where there is nothing to gain but freedom?

BTW, I'm really tired of the spin expression but as has been pointed out here on the forum several times, you on the right spin the issues much more frequently.

 

O.K. Kaya, I'll bite. I don't know what we are "planning". But I would like your "spin" on what was gained in the countries listed in my post above. I'll even allow you're silly little "it's all about the oil" in Iraq stance...since that has become the lefties montra now that Saddam has been ousted. Personally, I know I'll be waiting patiently for that first tanker to pull up to American shores with all that "FREE" oil!!

What about the rest of those countries? What did we gain? Here is my "spin": In just about every one of those countries there is a former dictator either out of a job or dead. Would South Korea be a free state without the presence of the U.S.? What did we get from S. Korea? Yea, we have military interests there. The same interests that the rest of the region has. And the same presence that is no doubt averting a large scale war in the region. Ask China and Russia if they are glad we are there. What is it that we are demanding from the good people from Afghanistan? Aside from sending the Taliban and Osama scurrying for the mountaintops, what national resource is it that we are planning to pillage from these people? And what of Somalia? What was it that we were after there? Actually we did recieve something out of the situation. We learned what a pussy that Clinton was to haul ass at the first sign of trouble. Great legacy. So Kaya, at the risk of being schooled by your worldly knowledge, (after-all your vast travels to costa rica have been well documented) tell me what we've gained from these military actions. Your montra notwithstanding.

 

[kayaman+]

razz,

I'm not interested in arguing with you. You've shown to be incapable of rational discussion on several occasions.

I merely threw out the hypothetical, will we do anything in Columbia to help these opressed people seeing as there is no alterior motive?. Of course if it can some how be tied into our silly little war on drugs then I'm sure we will.

BTW I don't appreciate your sarcasm. I've seen nothing in your posts to indicate you posses a larger degree of intelligence than I, if anything the contrary. I don't believe that you are any more "worldly" or multi-cultural than I, and would bet that you are less so. I'm also guessing that you only speak one language. If you have traveled I'm pretty sure that you're the kind of American that Judge and I have been discussing on the "Americans piss me off" thread, the ones that are embarrassing and perpetuate the Ugly American stereotype.

 

Please Kaya, don't embarrass yourself any further by trying to lump your mostly idiotic views in with those of Judge. Not even in the same ballpark. Having you try to disparage my intelligence is the epitome of the pot/kettle/black metaphor. I travel frequently. Mostly business, but I try to soak in a bit of culture everywhere I go. Every stamp in my passport represents something. A place, a culture, a people. You will never see me in here, or anywhere else claiming superiority over any of them. Unlike you, those stamps do not qualify me to pass blanket judgements on those places or people. Statements like "most Americans are... or most Costa Ricans are...", come from your posts, not mine. Just another form of hypocritical elitism IMO. I would tell you how many languages that I speak, but seeing how, for you, that sort of thing is an obvious sign of cultural genious and understanding, I will spare you the humiliation. As far as the "ugly american" stereotype is concerned...check the mirror.

 

[kayaman+]

razz,

God damn you're lame. I mention one issue Judge and I were discussing and you try to turn it into some stupid generalization. However since you mention it Judge and I do tend to share similar views on a lot of issues that come up here, I do tend to be more extreme.

As far as the intelligence issue, I'm not saying I'm smarter than you. I repeat, I'm simply saying that nothing in your posts has indicated that you have more capacity than I and if anything less.

As for me generalizing, yes at times I do, much less so of course than you righties do every time you refer to lefties. However most of the time I recognize that I am generalizing and point it out myself, or mention that of course there are exceptions to every rule.

Finally, you confirming that you do travel, and considering the ethnocentrical, closed minded attitudes you display pretty much on a regular basis here, you are confirming my point on the image you emit.

"As far as the "ugly american" stereotype is concerned...check the mirror."
Either you don't understand the stereotype or have no idea what I'm about because the idea that I perpetuate the Ugly American stereotype is simply idiotic.

The language thing, if you are bi-or more-lingual, I'm impressed. You definately do not give the impression of being educated or cultured with your posts.

 

[kayaman+]

BTW, I'm not trying to team myself up with Judge or claim that he supports me. I'm simply pointing out that we have agreed on issues from time to time around here.

 

Kaya, just for kicks, could you explain to me your definition of "closed-minded". Is it anyone disagrees with you view? Sure seems so. Again I would have to go back to the pot/kettle/black thing. I supported the war in Iraq. You did not. I am as open-minded as anyone you'll ever meet. Contrary to what you might think, I'm as far from the "right" on many issues. Please, if you can, find where I have been closed-minded in these forums as it pertains to a people or a culture. I could probably show you many examples you have posted that could be considered closed-minded. But mostly it's just the same old regurgitated America-bashing, or Bush bashing, that you always spew to make your obviously self-loathing ass feel better. "Lady", in the other thread tried to express her views comparing Costa Ricans to Americans where arrogance is concerned. You actually tried to debate her on her views of her own culture. Now THATS arrogance! That's what I'm talking about when I say to check the mirror.

 

nada

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kaya man:
BTW, I'm not trying to team myself up with Judge or claim that he supports me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't worry Kaya, no one who reads these threads would confuse your views with those of Judge.