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Yes, It sounded like a good one. And I'm fully aware of how deep, dangerous, young and opportunistic these Hawks are and can be. And they've seen a lot of the Wings over the last couple years. Detroit has always seemed to come out ahead in the key games of late but that does'nt mean their not capable of giving the Wings fits. Especially if the backchecking were to break down and leave Osgood vulnerable. We all know he's as good as this team plays defensively. Even I know that.. And Scotty Bowman knows exactly what makes this Wings team tick as he's pretty much been the architect of this team. He knows exactly where Detroit's weakness' are if there are any to exploit. Anaheim was/is pretty much one dimensional with one great line and a B+ goaltender. Chicago can throw 4 lines at you that can all play hard nosed hockey AND score. i think the key for Detroit is exploiting Chicago's young but non playoff tested Defence. Cambell's got 59 PO games and Walker just 3. And Rafalski's return spells a lot of trouble for the Hawks. But Helm adds a dimension this reg season team didn't have a chance to enjoy. He'll he a thorn in the side of the young Hawks D all series if healthy. And we still have basicially only heard a peep from Hossa and Datsyuk so far. That can't continue. And won't. You have to crawl before you can walk. Detroit in 5 or 6 at best. this team is just operating in their element right now. Only an injury can slow them. And only if it's key. I.E. Osgood,Lidstrom,Datsyuk.
 

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10-1 youve never played this game

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your an idiot, you dont understand.

No, its YOURE an idiot......lil kid!!!!!

your sport needs people like me, otherwise you will stay where you are now, behind NBA, MLB, NFL, the offseasons of the 3 sports, Golf, and Nascar.

No again, We dont want people like you watching this Great Game, keep checking your American TV ratings..........:):)

Im giving the NHL a shot tonight. If they can impress me, thats another future viewer to help them rebuild.

The NHL is clamoring over people like me and trying to get people like me to watch.

More commentary on which game to watch is appreciated. Thanks.
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there is no NHL without american fans.

the NHL had there shot with me and it went good for a period, but then went kaboom.

im the person theyll need to get to ever become relevant. im the mainstreams opinion of this league.
 

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there is no NHL without american fans.

the NHL had there shot with me and it went good for a period, but then went kaboom.

im the person theyll need to get to ever become relevant. im the mainstreams opinion of this league.

Maybe in your lil mind
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What color is the sky in your world :think2:
 

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there is no NHL without american fans.

the NHL had there shot with me and it went good for a period, but then went kaboom.

im the person theyll need to get to ever become relevant. im the mainstreams opinion of this league.

If you only watch one game, and base your opinion on that, then you're a lost cause from the start.

Also, I don't think you're the person the NHL is after. The people the NHL are after are those who hear the small hype there is surrounding the Pittsburgh vs. Washington series, and tune in to one of those games.

I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Boston vs. Carolina was the game to watch Out of all the games available in the 50 hour time span (starting at 7pm yesterday) you picked the wrong game.

For serious hockey fans, I think the entire playoffs have been great, and no series has really been that boring, especially in the 2nd round. But for people who don't know the game, Boston vs. Carolina is not the place to start.

I mean, watching Pittsburgh/Washington fits into your schedule perfectly if you are a die hard sports fan with little hockey knowledge. Cleveland vs. Atlanta has been a waste of time, and the two best series' in the NBA both played today. There were only 4 baseball games yesterday. I don't know why you didn't pick any of the NHL games yesterday.
 

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passthebuck, i dont think you understand tv viewership dynamics. this game is on my dish, one of 300 TV channels I can watch. the NHL should commend me for watching the entire game to judge the product then 2 minutes like the average viewer.

the average TV viewer has the attention span of a gnat. they are jumping from channel to channel, and if they arnt entertained within a few minutes, they'll keep jumping and jumping until they find something.

if you get them to stay after 3 or so minutes, they'll probably stay.

the nhl's dilemma is getting people to freeze there remotes and stay on there game. i froze my remote for the entire game. i gave the league more of a chance then 95 percent of the normal viewer will ever give it.
 

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passthebuck, i dont think you understand tv viewership dynamics. this game is on my dish, one of 300 TV channels I can watch. the NHL should commend me for watching the entire game to judge the product then 2 minutes like the average viewer.

the average TV viewer has the attention span of a gnat. they are jumping from channel to channel, and if they arnt entertained within a few minutes, they'll keep jumping and jumping until they find something.

if you get them to stay after 3 or so minutes, they'll probably stay.

the nhl's dilemma is getting people to freeze there remotes and stay on there game. i froze my remote for the entire game. i gave the league more of a chance then 95 percent of the normal viewer will ever give it.


You pick one game, and only stay on it for the entire 2.5 hours because you said you would. You are like a kid in detention. That's not how this works. You pick a game at random, despite the fact that the only NHL buzz in America is surrounding the Caps-Pens series, co-incidentally enough the only series with good ratings. It's really more of common sense.

If you were going to watch a basketball game for the first time, would you pass on Kobe vs. LeBron, and instead watch a different game? It's really more about common sense. But hey, you made up your mind. I'm sure a Game 7 between Ovechkin and Crosby will be exactly the same as a Game 6 between the Bruins and Canes.
 

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what you forget though is the average viewer has no idea about this league though. if im just randomly browsing and saw this boston-carolina game last night, im not going to care about this game tonight because i saw nothing last night and changed the channel, and already have the mainstream though about this league in my head, thats it boring.

i was entertained after the first period, but the last 2 periods reaffirmed the mainstream opinion of this league. and i can guarantee you the majority of those people that flipped through the game after a minute won't be watching tonight.

the NHL needs people like me watching the whole game and coming back to watch tonights, which I won't because of last nights game conforming to the mainstreams opinion of the league.

the comparison to the NBA is also flawed. the NBA is a league with a solid foot hold. It doesnt need people staying because its mainstream.

Again, the league needs everyone like me to become relevant again.
 

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what you forget though is the average viewer has no idea about this league though. if im just randomly browsing and saw this boston-carolina game last night, im not going to care about this game tonight because i saw nothing last night and changed the channel, and already have the mainstream though about this league in my head, thats it boring.

i was entertained after the first period, but the last 2 periods reaffirmed the mainstream opinion of this league. and i can guarantee you the majority of those people that flipped through the game after a minute won't be watching tonight.

the NHL needs people like me watching the whole game and coming back to watch tonights, which I won't because of last nights game conforming to the mainstreams opinion of the league.

the comparison to the NBA is also flawed. the NBA is a league with a solid foot hold. It doesnt need people staying because its mainstream.

Again, the league needs everyone like me to become relevant again.

Let's assume the average viewer enjoys watching PTI or ATH or Sportscenter (not exactly a stretch). These shows have had little hockey coverage, but when they do, they only talk about one series. So to say the average viewer has no idea, you are saying that you prefer to watch Filipino slap fighting on your satellite dish, as opposed to paying any attention at all to sports media in the United States. If that's what you're saying, that's cool... but don't even attempt to say that the average sports fan doesn't know which series the NHL is trying to pimp out. They may not want to watch or even know who all the stars or teams are, but if they have watched even one mainstream sports show in the last two weeks, they know.
 

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The NHL game of the year will take place Wednesday night in Washington, D.C. -- Penguins versus Capitals, Game 7. The series has been a classic, so good, in fact, that we're declaring you must keep an eye on Game 7, even if you don't follow or care about hockey.

- ESPN.com
 

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Im talking mainstream. What percent of the vast majority of dish subscribers like me, who have attention spans of a gnat watch PTI, and even remember them pimping the series 3 hours later at game time.

The NHL needs to make an impression on you right away, hell pretty much any show except established ones, or I'll say it again, people will just click right on through because the league is not mainstream, like a NFL or NBA or MLB.

Theres about a 15 percent chance I'll watch this game because Im one of the few who remembers the pimping of this game by ESPN. That game last night though has me in the mindset that this game has to be incredible, right away for me to even bother watching.

Once they get people like me watching, they'll have a shot to be mainstream again. Right now, people are just playing the click and go game with there remotes.
 

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That doesnt show the league is struggling. Thats money the teams can tap into to essentially recession proof themselves. Multiple teams with + revenue streams took the money like the Hornets.

this actually shows how stable the league is, that a major entity would give them a 200 million line of credit.

you think any group would give the NHL 200 mill? please.

also if you look at forbes valuations, only 8 teams lost money this year. which is less then MLB last year and NHL this year.

NBA is in great shape financially. once they get this deal done with china, itll be huge.
 

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Well, considering the NHL announced the exact same move in the fall, it's seems like someone thought they were worthy of bumping their credit line up to 195 million.

8 teams in the NBA lost money, 9 in the NHL - wow, you make an amazing point.

None of this has anything to do with the fact that you're essentially the Joe the Plumber of professional sports fans. You make no money, you have no desire to actually give the product a chance, and your only goal is to try and debate something that is so far out of your realm, it's embarassing.

Please, don't watch NHL, and I'd say tell your friends - but, well... The broke ass basement pseudo student isn't exactly the b-all end-all of demographics that ANY sport (including NHL) covets.

Maybe stick to posting entirely off topic political threads to boost your post count.

Im what your league needs to be relevant again. Simple as that. You can doddle around with your insults, who cares its the internet, but you still cant get around the fact that if your league doesnt get people like me, that you'll never go anywhere.

You defend your league so vigorously, but don't have the capabilityor intelligence to realize your league needs me. I'm Mr. Mainstream. You are die hard NHL fan 1 of 1,000. Im Mr. Mainstream, 1 of 10 million.

who are you kidding kid, heh.
 

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what you forget though is the average viewer has no idea about this league though. if im just randomly browsing and saw this boston-carolina game last night, im not going to care about this game tonight because i saw nothing last night and changed the channel, and already have the mainstream though about this league in my head, thats it boring.

i was entertained after the first period, but the last 2 periods reaffirmed the mainstream opinion of this league. and i can guarantee you the majority of those people that flipped through the game after a minute won't be watching tonight.

the NHL needs people like me watching the whole game and coming back to watch tonights, which I won't because of last nights game conforming to the mainstreams opinion of the league.

the comparison to the NBA is also flawed. the NBA is a league with a solid foot hold. It doesnt need people staying because its mainstream.

Again, the league needs everyone like me to become relevant again.

Stop trying to flatter yourself. The league is not targeting YOU in any way shape or form. Your basicially a lost cause and they understand that. What the NHL IS interested in targeting is today's youth. They wan't to get them early and keep them fans for a lifetime. Not guys like you with no destination in their lives. That, by the time they are your age [whatever that may be] and their life has been reduced to the point of flipping their channel changer thru 300 some odd channels trying to find what interests them this late in the game. You see, for the most part, the better part of us here in this here hockey forum either played the game as a youngster or grew up in a family that were able to enjoy the game enough to pass on its finer points to the kids in the household. My suggestion to you at this stage of your life after browsing your profile for a moment would be to head on back into the Politics forum where you can argue your silly shit over there. Or have they pretty much got their point across over there and, like you did with your remote control, you got bored and ended up over here with us talking your nonsence? Maybe the Tiddaly Winks forum will be more ear friendly to your panderings.:howdy:
 

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See you guys go head on like a bull, you don't think like the matador does. I'm the NHL's prime target, male 25-49.

You guys are throwaways. The NHL knows you'll do whatever they say and watch whatever they put out so they take you for granted. You are a guaranteed asset to them, they don't gotta worry about you.

That's not good enough. That base is what gets you on Versus and keeps you on Versus, and keeps you behind Golf, NBA, MLB, NFL, Soccer, the offseasons of NBA MLB NFL and Nascar.

To get to the NBA level, the MLB level, you need Mr. Mainstream which is me. The guy who has a bad idea of what your league is, but could be changed by a good game, or a segment of the game to get me tuning back. That's how you get relevant again.

You guys think I'm in the minority on my opinion about this league? The majority of people think this is league is nothing but boring figure skaters, that's why you get beat by Sponge Bob, that's why your on Versus.

Not to mention the embarrassment of a commish in Betteman.

See the 3 major leagues can get non-followers of the game, the NHL can't. That's what keeps it in its place.

You guys get so angered when I trash your league, but the league has done nothing to make me feel the need to praise it. And I guarantee you way more people agree with me, then the 2 of you kiddos, veggas/bushay.
 

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See you guys go head on like a bull, you don't think like the matador does. I'm the NHL's prime target, male 25-49.

You guys are throwaways. The NHL knows you'll do whatever they say and watch whatever they put out so they take you for granted. You are a guaranteed asset to them, they don't gotta worry about you.

That's not good enough. That base is what gets you on Versus and keeps you on Versus, and keeps you behind Golf, NBA, MLB, NFL, Soccer, the offseasons of NBA MLB NFL and Nascar.

To get to the NBA level, the MLB level, you need Mr. Mainstream which is me. The guy who has a bad idea of what your league is, but could be changed by a good game, or a segment of the game to get me tuning back. That's how you get relevant again.

You guys think I'm in the minority on my opinion about this league? The majority of people think this is league is nothing but boring figure skaters, that's why you get beat by Sponge Bob, that's why your on Versus.

Not to mention the embarrassment of a commish in Betteman.

See the 3 major leagues can get non-followers of the game, the NHL can't. That's what keeps it in its place.

You guys get so angered when I trash your league, but the league has done nothing to make me feel the need to praise it. And I guarantee you way more people agree with me, then the 2 of you kiddos, veggas/bushay.

You're not Mr. Mainstream. I am 100% sure of that. You could have argued this point at anytime this year, and nobody would be able to criticize you for saying nobody knows anything about the league. But you pick the one day where Mr. Mainstream actually knows there's a game. I'm guessing you don't follow sports at all?
 

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See you guys go head on like a bull, you don't think like the matador does. I'm the NHL's prime target, male 25-49.

You guys are throwaways. The NHL knows you'll do whatever they say and watch whatever they put out so they take you for granted. You are a guaranteed asset to them, they don't gotta worry about you.

That's not good enough. That base is what gets you on Versus and keeps you on Versus, and keeps you behind Golf, NBA, MLB, NFL, Soccer, the offseasons of NBA MLB NFL and Nascar.

To get to the NBA level, the MLB level, you need Mr. Mainstream which is me. The guy who has a bad idea of what your league is, but could be changed by a good game, or a segment of the game to get me tuning back. That's how you get relevant again.

You guys think I'm in the minority on my opinion about this league? The majority of people think this is league is nothing but boring figure skaters, that's why you get beat by Sponge Bob, that's why your on Versus.

Not to mention the embarrassment of a commish in Betteman.

See the 3 major leagues can get non-followers of the game, the NHL can't. That's what keeps it in its place.

You guys get so angered when I trash your league, but the league has done nothing to make me feel the need to praise it. And I guarantee you way more people agree with me, then the 2 of you kiddos, veggas/bushay.

The game has NEVER been a good TV sport. Never has and never will. And that's what's keeping them from a major TV contract Carnac.

Too bad you seem to enjoy listening to yourself talk...or reading what you type.

You keep trying to figure this out though. It's pure entertainment on my end.
 

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gtc08 if you really want to watch a hockey game move to Canada, or get Hockey Night In Canada. Bob Cole and Harry Neale are great calling a game. And Don Cherry and Ron MacLean in between nothing better. You live in the middle of America that is why you do not appreciate the game.

I hope you enjoy watching Lebron blow teams out the rest of the NBA playoffs. How exciting. Lebron vs the Pistons and Lebron vs Hawks. Worst TV entertainment ever. Enjoy
 

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I have it figured out. I've explained why nobody watches this league and what keeps preventing this league from gaining people like me, Mr. Mainstream.

You are the ones still defending this league, and not able to be crtitical of it.

At least passthebuck sees what im saying, in regards to tv dynamics and why the NHL is where it is, in relation to the 3 major sports.
 

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