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The NFL never ceases to amaze me and I can't figure out the rules ever.

His forward progress was stopped therefore he doesn't have to maintain possession of the ball all the way through the catch? WTF?

I ALMOST hope we lose our bets on SD because of the title of your thread. Just flat out gay.
 

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Jay Kornegay, LVH is one source.

Thanks, but I can't find where he gives out these percentages (website, his twitter page, etc. does not have it)? Is it just the LVH bets that he gives out? Does he give them to you? What is the benefit of Vegas giving out these percentages? What other sources did you get this info from? I just don't understand where people keep getting these percentages from and saying that it is "public bettors". I guess until there is a legitimate source that someone has found for these games, the percentages can easily be skewed. So, the below saying can be said by everyone and their mother who bets on a team.

Win or lose, Joe Public was absolutely all over the Bengals (per vegas sources), with the sharps taking SD +7 every time offered. Joe Public does win a few, but this game is very clearly split in the public vs. wiseguy world.
 

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Believe me, he knows, since he sets the lines! Mitch Moss had him on his show, confirmed. Also have other LV sources that I just confirmed with.

BYW: IT is NOT about the %'s when Jay talks, it is about who bets and at what $$$.

Thanks, but I can't find where he gives out these percentages (website, his twitter page, etc. does not have it)? Is it just the LVH bets that he gives out? Does he give them to you? What is the benefit of Vegas giving out these percentages? What other sources did you get this info from? I just don't understand where people keep getting these percentages from and saying that it is "public bettors". I guess until there is a legitimate source that someone has found for these games, the percentages can easily be skewed. So, the below saying can be said by everyone and their mother who bets on a team.
 

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Guys throw out those numbers because they want to be considered among the "sharps" and "smart money" . Makes them feel special.
 

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If Vegas gives us the information then why do people go check BR's needs. Vegas would honestly not let their needs out there ever. Why would they do that, someone with a bank roll could put tons of money all year on their needs, it doesn't make sense. The return would be better than the stock market. I have no doubt "Vegas" posts some percentages but I would be weary of their accuracy.
 

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Believe me, he knows, since he sets the lines! Mitch Moss had him on his show, confirmed. Also have other LV sources that I just confirmed with.

BYW: IT is NOT about the %'s when Jay talks, it is about who bets and at what $$$.

Thanks Tim. i appreciate the info and I believe you that they know the percentages as they set the lines. however, I take it all with a grain of salt, because they don't have to give out real numbers. i just wanted solid proof that they give out these numbers. Does he tell people that the sharps are taking certain plays?
 

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The Bernard catch and the Gresham catch were one in the same to me. Both should have been ruled the same way and they were.
 

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If Vegas gives us the information then why do people go check BR's needs. Vegas would honestly not let their needs out there ever. Why would they do that, someone with a bank roll could put tons of money all year on their needs, it doesn't make sense. The return would be better than the stock market. I have no doubt "Vegas" posts some percentages but I would be weary of their accuracy.

That is what i'm saying. They have no reason what so ever to give out the percentages or information on their sharp bettors. I just wanted more of a concrete answer when people say they know the public is on a certain team.
 

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The Bernard catch and the Gresham catch were one in the same to me. Both should have been ruled the same way and they were.

Huh? One was in the field of play with the guy running towards the EZ when a fumble was forced while the other guy fell out of bounds.

Not the same plays at all.
 

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Gumbi, you ask a very interesting question and one I've asked for years.

Yeah, public percentages are great and all but I've always wondered where the money is.

For example, 75% of the bets could be on SF while 75% of the money could be on GB if you get what I'm saying. Books will not give out this information.
 

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Huh? One was in the field of play with the guy running towards the EZ when a fumble was forced while the other guy fell out of bounds.

Not the same plays at all.

Like I said "to me"... By the eye ball test they were the exact same to me. They were catches.
 

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Gumbi, you ask a very interesting question and one I've asked for years.

Yeah, public percentages are great and all but I've always wondered where the money is.

For example, 75% of the bets could be on SF while 75% of the money could be on GB if you get what I'm saying. Books will not give out this information.

Exactly, its like anything I statistics, you can make the numbers look however you want. Why would they give the public information to help them, instead they provide ambiguous information to motivate them to bet thinking they have an angle.
 

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I'm also beginning to feel real wager shame. Come on Red Rocket!
 

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Thanks Tim. i appreciate the info and I believe you that they know the percentages as they set the lines. however, I take it all with a grain of salt, because they don't have to give out real numbers. i just wanted solid proof that they give out these numbers. Does he tell people that the sharps are taking certain plays?

I doubt any give out actual percentages. I view it like election polling, we knew Obama was going to win by the polling percentages. You take samplings from many betting sites and you have a good idea what the numbers are within a tolerance of course. Why do you think so many people speak of RLM?
 

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%'s mean nothing to me. Like in the old days when Bob Martin was setting the lines, it's all about the 'faces"

But back to this game. Suffice to say that the average player just figured Cincy in the cold would roll. The sharps/wiseguys are betting numbers and +7 confirmed belief that SD matched up very well in this game. Never a guaranteed win, but this is one the sharps really liked.
 

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Like I said "to me"... By the eye ball test they were the exact same to me. They were catches.

Yeah, if Bernard would've jumped, got hit and then dropped the ball when he hit the ground, the plays would've been the same. On the Gresham deal, he never had an opportunity to fumble the ball like Bernard did.
 

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%'s mean nothing to me. Like in the old days when Bob Martin was setting the lines, it's all about the 'faces"

But back to this game. Suffice to say that the average player just figured Cincy in the cold would roll. The sharps/wiseguys are betting numbers and +7 confirmed belief that SD matched up very well in this game. Never a guaranteed win, but this is one the sharps really liked.

bingo
 

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Ok, I'm officially ashamed. What a clown show. Hopefully SF redeems me.
 

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