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This guy from another forum has a great ability to see things from multiple views........you may or may not agree with his take but AT WORSE he gives you a logical alternative that you will NEVER hear from MSM

Notice I have stayed out of this thread because I know the whole thing is Bullshit....Trump is the Alpha, and I DONT have to pick one over the other

Here is his take:
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We call this 4D and 5D chess.


In reality, the most graceful way to interpret this is giving the bad guys more than they ask for and laughing as they juggle to handle all the loot.


The Cabal plays games with public appeal. Like catty, gossipy preppy girls in highschool and back-stabbing Karens at book club, they can't help themselves to rig up drama and schisms and push former friends into cat fights.


They have an insatiable desire to fuck around with other people's affairs and relationships, for no other reason than they get aroused at the ability to manipulate others. It makes them feel powerful...


But it also clouds their judgement.


It's really fucking obvious they tapped all their sleeper agents and sellswords to turn on Trump by backing DeSantis after the 2022 election. It didn't take them 24 hours after the 2022 dust settled before they started with the new narrative push.


You could hear the whispers and unsheathing of daggers even among a cheering crowd, they were so fucking thirsty to do it.


Which leaves Trump in a sketchy position, just as it would leave anyone in a sketchy position.


To move boldly, you must anticipate bold countermoves. Your plan must have contingencies. Their plans, too, have contingencies. To subvert and unravel any plan, one must find the contingency and backup plans which are least fortified and prepared and then exploit that weakness in the front line.


What eventuality would they have planned the least for?


Their goal is this: turn the DeSantis tribe against the Trump tribe.


How might you accomplish this goal?


  • Seed online forums with hyper-charged pro DeSantis rhetoric for months in advance.
  • Get Trump to back and support DeSantis by necessity.
  • Grill DeSantis about future plans.
  • Grow public sentiment that Trump is old and busted and DeSantis is the new hotness.
  • Hand DeSantis a crushing victory in his endeavors.

Once all this groundwork is laid, then you ride these foundational points to attack Trump's base and turn them into DeSantis 2024 people, whether or not he decides to run. The goal is to tank Trump's primary chances, not to ensure a Manchurian candidate in DeSantis. DeSantis being on board is unnecessary, taking down Trump is the target.




Moving into the Torpedo.


All this has happened, and the ultimate aim at this juncture is for Trump to say "DeSantis isn't a bad guy, but he's not 2024 material." They need him to support DeSantis, but not endorse him for 2024. They can then use Trump's own support against him, in flouting DeSantis 24/7 with their mainstream bullshit.


That's not what they got. Instead, they got Trump doing what they never expected him to do...


Yesterday Trump opened up on DeSantis completely. He blasted the shit out of him, and then subsequently pushed his shit back into the open wounds.


It's a "too good to be true" situation for these catty bitches in the Media. So much so, they never anticipated for this to happen. They weren't prepared with pre-written articles like they always are. They were so sure that Trump wouldn't take the axe to DeSantis that they didn't prep the articles.


Trump, like I pointed out before, found and exploited where they were least prepared.


Now, they risk over-promoting DeSantis to spite Trump. Which looks sketchy as fuck. When Project Lincoln pedos are backing DeSantis, it really looks like a crock of bullshit is surrounding DeSantis uncouthly.


Again, I must note, DeSantis' allegiances don't come into play on this landscape. Either side has a benefit in him being a double-triple-quadruple sleeper agent whose actual masters aren't known until a killing blow arrives at his doorstep.


This is a "turn into the torpedo before it can arm itself" Red October play, for those who astutely have been following along.


You'd figure the MSM would have figured out Trump uses that move by now, but lo and behold they still managed to fuck it up.




Trump is here to Kick Ass, there's no time for Bubble Gum


This Trump vs. DeSantis schism was manufactured by the catty, gossip-hungry Karens in the DeepState Media. The last thing they expected was for Trump to play into it like he just walked into the room and slapped his big cock on the table, breaking the legs of the table in the process.


They were planning on dragging his response to the DeSantis promotion over a month or two, and forge a tribe of DeSantis to keep Trump on the ropes.


That's not what they got. They got Trump attacking one of his own, with no shits given. They wanted to turn Trump onto the defense, and keep him meek and timid, but instead they just poked the lion in the testicles with DeSantis' arm and he bit the shit out of him for daring touch the King's ballsack. They really were relying on him not snapping at his own camp.


Sorry for the lewd interpretation, but that's what I see having happened. The MSM are shocked because it is shocking.


Trump keeps a tidy ship. Mutiny is not entertained for even a second, regardless of whom is propping up whom. If someone is in a position to screw Trump over, he openly welcomes them to try. In fact, his record shows he puts some of the least trustworthy fuckers in positions of power so that all the spotlights are on them.


The Media blasts Trump with so much scrutiny, that they are flabbergasted when he turns that attention against them and shows the asses of those who are "supposed" to be on his team. He uses the energies against him to put a spotlight on those working against him. Every time the Media shirks away suddenly from something that looks bad for Trump, it's because they got the memo that they are sabotaging their own guy's efforts behind the veil. Every time they ignore a story we all think would hurt Trump, I read it as them pulling their hand back from hovering over the chessboard and thinking about how they just fucked themselves up real good last turn and how to get out of this mess they made.


Trump keeps doing this, and they keep falling for it...


Trump acted tactfully with his sledgehammer yesterday to DeSantis' ego. He showed that DeSantis' support isn't something he cares about losing. He Warp-Sped this drama fight the Media cooked up and now what they had planned on dragging out until 2024 is gonna be over in a week or two.




Conclusion


That's my take on the situation. It doesn't matter anymore what side you take, DeSantis versus Trump. It doesn't even matter if DeSantis is a sleeper.


Trump just fucked his shit up whether he was in on it or not. Trump set him as an example. "If you can't keep the Media from fluffing your dick; if you can't keep your ship tidy, then you don't deserve to be in my Armada."


If DeSantis wants to put on his big-boy pants, he'll formally announce he will not run against Trump and that everyone saying he should can go fuck themselves. Trump isn't playing around, and if DeSantis wants to go at it, then Trump is signaling he is prepared to end this shit now, not later.
 

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Trump is over. Gen Z is going to carry on and make far better choices. Huge blocks of women and Gen Z voters will keep the crazy Republicans in check. No more Trumps or DeSantises. DeSantis is just the next monster that must be slayed. No more of this DeSantis rewriting of American History so it suits his narrow/unpopular agenda
 

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DeSantis comes off extremely weak and weaselly by all this. As soon as he realized he was being used by the same dragons he has ambitions to slay (or so he will tell us), he should have immediately called Trump.

Instead, his roaring victory speech the other night with flying confetti had all the optics of kicking off a presidential campaign.

Well, the Lion King just mauled him for it!

Obviously I take everything back if Trump and DeSantis are working together to smoke out more rats...but for anyone who thinks he'll make a more "polished" "smarter" version of Trump...gimme a break.

There's only one Donald Trump. And it will always be Trump against the entire swamp. From the moment he came down that escalator, they were plotting a coup, and haven't stopped since.

Ask yourselves: WHY?
 

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Trump is over. Gen Z is going to carry on and make far better choices. Huge blocks of women and Gen Z voters will keep the crazy Republicans in check. No more Trumps or DeSantises. DeSantis is just the next monster that must be slayed. No more of this DeSantis rewriting of American History so it suits his narrow/unpopular agenda
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DeSantis comes off extremely weak and weaselly by all this. As soon as he realized he was being used by the same dragons he has ambitions to slay (or so he will tell us), he should have immediately called Trump.

Instead, his roaring victory speech the other night with flying confetti had all the optics of kicking off a presidential campaign.

Well, the Lion King just mauled him for it!

Obviously I take everything back if Trump and DeSantis are working together to smoke out more rats...but for anyone who thinks he'll make a more "polished" "smarter" version of Trump...gimme a break.

There's only one Donald Trump. And it will always be Trump against the entire swamp. From the moment he came down that escalator, they were plotting a coup, and haven't stopped since.

Ask yourselves: WHY?
Do DeSantis sucks unless he’s doing a “scripted act” with Trump?

thanks for the Friday laughs today JoJo. Was quite amusing.

have fun watching football this weekend
 

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Do DeSantis sucks unless he’s doing a “scripted act” with Trump?

thanks for the Friday laughs today JoJo. Was quite amusing.

have fun watching football this weekend
Hoping it's a script to unveil more rats and traitors.

He's a great governor.

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Hoping it's a script to unveil more rats and traitors.

He's a great governor.

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Wow. That's amazingly accurate, and relevant.

Meanwhile, back on Planet Reality:

Trump melts down bigly on Truth Social as Republican vultures circle the wreckage


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PALM BEACH, FLORIDA - NOVEMBER 08: Former U.S. President Donald Trump walks down a set of stairs during an election night event at Mar-a-Lago on November 08, 2022 in Palm Beach, Florida. Trump spoke as the nation awaits the results of voting in the midterm elections.  (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)



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On Tuesday the United States discovered that when more Americans come out to vote, the MAGA world and its surrogate Republican Party are really unpopular. One of the grand delusions in the traditional media is that Donald Trump, a man who never received the popular vote in the history of ever, was somehow popular. It’s a relative term, of course. Donald Trump is popular with the MAGA crowd that believes they will ascend into heaven on his back. Donald Trump is less unpopular than many of his fellow conservative leaders within his own party. But he isn’t really popular. A large part of this is because Donald Trump is a terrible person, and most people can see that.
The Republican Party and its operatives are scrambling to see who can wrestle for control over the internally warring political party. Tuesday night’s results showed that Americans, by and large, are not interested in Big Lie promoters and relitigating the 2020 election. This has opened a sliver of light to GOP operatives who hope they can wriggle free of Trump before 2024. To that end, the Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post released a very disparaging front-page story Thursday morning pointing the finger at Trump. The Wall Street Journal’s editorial board released an opinion piece with the headline, “Trump Is the Republican Party’s Biggest Loser.”
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We all know how thin-skinned the disgraced former guy is. Will he have a meltd—


Yes he will!

On Truth Social, Donald Trump pressed his thumbs together and began a rant the likes of which we have all experienced before. I will be putting it in here, typos and all.
“Now that the Election in Florida is over, and everything went quite well, shouldn't it be said that in 2020, I got 1.1 million more votes in Florida than Ron D got this year, 5.7 million to 4.6 million? Just asking?”
That was early on for The Donald. Not so bad, maybe this won’t be a bi—
“Incredible how dishonest the Fake News Media is. The failing New York Times has gone crazy. So many of the people I Endorsed went onto victory on Tuesday Night, nobody was even close, and they literally make up a story refusing to write the facts, and only quoting enemies and losers. Almost all of the people I endorsed WON, yet if you read the story from two Trump hating writers (who only do as they are told!), you would not even recognize the truth. They truly are, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!!!”
Yes. That got turned up fast. Hopefully things are cooling down over at MAGA headquar—
“… 219 WINS against 16 LOSSES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, and yet, the Fake News writes only unrecognizable junk. No wonder they are all doing sooo badly!”
Okaaaay.
“There is a Fake Story being promulgated by third rate reporter, Maggie Hagaman of the Failing New York Times, that I am blaming our great former, First Lady, Melania, and Sean Hannity, that I was angry with their pushing me to Endorse Dr. Oz. First of all Oz is a wonderful guy who really worked hard, and was a very good candidate, but he WAS LONG IN THE RACE before I ever Endorsed him, they had NOTHING to do with it, he was not a ‘denier’ (his mistake!), and I was not at all ANGRY. Fake News!”
Somebody looked at their Word of the Day calendar! At least he doesn’t sound angry, amiright?
“I'd like to apologize to Melania and Sean Hannity for all of the Fake News and fictional stories (made up out of thin air, with no sources despite them claiming there are!), being dumped on you by reporters and ‘News’ Organizations who know the stories are not true. The Fake News Media is “Crazed” and totally out of control. I only wish the public could understand how really corrupt and crooked they are. They MAKE UP stories and then push them down your throats. Our Country is in big trouble!”
To be honest that doesn’t really sound like much of an apolo—
“… 219 WINS against 16 LOSSES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, and yet, the Fake News writes only unrecognizable junk. No wonder they are all doing sooo badly!”
You said that already.
“Despite having pick so many winners, I have to put up with the Fake News. For me Fox News was always gone, even in 2015-16 when I began my “journey,” but now they're really gone. Such an opportunity for another media outlet to make an absolute fortune, and do good for America. Let's see what happens?”
Let’s see.
“For those many people that are being fed the fake narrative from the corrupt media, that I am Angry about the Midterms, don't believe it. I am not at all angry, did a great job (I wasn't the one running!), and I'm very busy looking into the future. Remember, I am a “Stable Genius.”
Sort of like seeing a band you never liked do their greatest hits, which you didn’t care for in the first place.



Election Night 2022 was full of surprises—mostly for people pushing the last couple months of traditional media narrative of a "red tsunami." The problem is that Americans are not super into the GOP. Markos and Kerry have been saying the media narrative was wrong for months, and on Tuesday, Daily Kos and The Brief team was validated. Time to celebrate!
 

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Wow. That's amazingly accurate, and relevant.

Meanwhile, back on Planet Reality:

Trump melts down bigly on Truth Social as Republican vultures circle the wreckage


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Thursday November 10, 2022 · 10:33 AM PST

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PALM BEACH, FLORIDA - NOVEMBER 08: Former U.S. President Donald Trump walks down a set of stairs during an election night event at Mar-a-Lago on November 08, 2022 in Palm Beach, Florida. Trump spoke as the nation awaits the results of voting in the midterm elections.  (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)



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On Tuesday the United States discovered that when more Americans come out to vote, the MAGA world and its surrogate Republican Party are really unpopular. One of the grand delusions in the traditional media is that Donald Trump, a man who never received the popular vote in the history of ever, was somehow popular. It’s a relative term, of course. Donald Trump is popular with the MAGA crowd that believes they will ascend into heaven on his back. Donald Trump is less unpopular than many of his fellow conservative leaders within his own party. But he isn’t really popular. A large part of this is because Donald Trump is a terrible person, and most people can see that.
The Republican Party and its operatives are scrambling to see who can wrestle for control over the internally warring political party. Tuesday night’s results showed that Americans, by and large, are not interested in Big Lie promoters and relitigating the 2020 election. This has opened a sliver of light to GOP operatives who hope they can wriggle free of Trump before 2024. To that end, the Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post released a very disparaging front-page story Thursday morning pointing the finger at Trump. The Wall Street Journal’s editorial board released an opinion piece with the headline, “Trump Is the Republican Party’s Biggest Loser.”
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‘Groyper’ general wishes for ‘dictatorship,’ wants to ‘force the people to believe what we believe''


We all know how thin-skinned the disgraced former guy is. Will he have a meltd—


Yes he will!

On Truth Social, Donald Trump pressed his thumbs together and began a rant the likes of which we have all experienced before. I will be putting it in here, typos and all.

That was early on for The Donald. Not so bad, maybe this won’t be a bi—

Yes. That got turned up fast. Hopefully things are cooling down over at MAGA headquar—

Okaaaay.

Somebody looked at their Word of the Day calendar! At least he doesn’t sound angry, amiright?

To be honest that doesn’t really sound like much of an apolo—

You said that already.

Let’s see.

Sort of like seeing a band you never liked do their greatest hits, which you didn’t care for in the first place.



Election Night 2022 was full of surprises—mostly for people pushing the last couple months of traditional media narrative of a "red tsunami." The problem is that Americans are not super into the GOP. Markos and Kerry have been saying the media narrative was wrong for months, and on Tuesday, Daily Kos and The Brief team was validated. Time to celebrate!
Lol. Why do u even try anymore. Embarrassment , ignorant, low life , fail fits u well
 

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Fucked in the head, and I'm not talking about Libtards this time (although that's a given)

I guess since the everything in life is a conspiracy crowd is now occupied with proving DeSantis is part of their NWO...

They'll move on from their virus and vaccine conspiracies, that's not a bad thing. Especially since they're the only ones still living in that bubble


Maybe Biden is right, the experiment is over. A party that fucked up everything doesn't pay for their failures, and their opposition attacks the only conservative that clearly knows how to govern, talk, and win
 

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Paul Ryan hates Trump - This was a planned narrative - the GOP screwed every America First candidate there was - just ask them. They’ll tell you about no money, no support & being undermined by yr own team.
 

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Tough for anyone to be their "own man" when they have no money and are completely beholden and dependent on the establishment donor class. Ya know, swamp creatures who don't like "election deniers", "anti-vaxers" and MAGA in general.

Sheriff Joe is now making a list and checking it twice. Thank you Sebastian Gorka, you are on my good list. :grrr:

“The establishment still has to destroy President Trump because he has nobody he owes any favors to and he wants to drain the swamp. The establishment wants to destroy him.

"Ron, you are being used as a weapon of the establishment… When the pedo protectors at the Lincoln Project are in agreement with Van Jones & Paul Ryan & Karl Rove & Mika Brzezinski that Ron has to be the answer to the Republican Party, you gotta think twice…”


Not to mention having meetings with Paul Ryan and Mike McCarthy! Horrible!

Ronny, be wise...you done good in Florida, but you're still a cub - sit this one out.

Swamp gonna swamp!

:popcorn:
 

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I'm describing a new illness spreading through America

CDS

Conspiracy Derangement Syndrome

Don't forget to send donations people, needed to keep your sources afloat (especially AJ, he just lost another 500 million) I know I know, the courts and the jurors and the judges are all in on it, I get it.
 

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keep one thing in mind with your evaluations... If all the media is pushing a narrative , believe the opposite.. it works almost every time
 

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I'm describing a new illness spreading through America

CDS

Conspiracy Derangement Syndrome

Don't forget to send donations people, needed to keep your sources afloat (especially AJ, he just lost another 500 million) I know I know, the courts and the jurors and the judges are all in on it, I get it.
How many toxic 'boosters' are you up to now... 5???

"I listen to doctors Corrupt Big Pharma and follow Fascist Fauci science propaganda!" ? ?

People are dropping like flies (#DiedSuddenly) and you're STILL smugly pretending you were right on this??

"Conspiracy Derangement Syndrome" ????

Willie suffers from the Pandemic of the Mind, aka brainwashed and controlled by the Mockingbird media.

Btw, those toxic mRNA jabs have ALTERED YOUR "GENETICS"!
 

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The Murdochs Think They Get to Pick the Next President.​

SORRY RUPERT, BUT THIS AIN'T BRITAIN IN THE 90S.

BY JENNA ELLIS

NOVEMBER 12, 2022

After Tuesday’s elections, entities owned and managed by Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan have lined up against President Donald J. Trump. There is now a “coordinated effort” across the New York Post, Fox News, and the Wall Street Journal against Trump.

The Post is running columns by longtime Trump hater John Podhoretz and gun grabber Piers Morgan bashing the 45th President. Podhoretz’s piece also lashes out at Blake Masters as an “election-denier,” and ludicrously asserts that we shouldn’t support candidates Mitch McConnell doesn’t like. Morgan, meanwhile, is urging Republicans to “dump Trump.” Unfortunately for him, Americans conservatives don’t tend to listen to foreigners that want to eradicate our Second Amendment.

The Sun Wot Won It.

Rupert Murdoch has long tried to use his media empire to swing elections. In 1992, his Sun tabloid infamously took credit for the Conservative Party victory in the election with the headline ‘It’s The Sun Wot Won It‘. They relentlessly tried, during the 2016 Republican primary, to prop up any Republican not named Donald Trump. It didn’t work.

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Conservatives have more options than one tabloid, a Wall Street newspaper, and a television channel. The strength of independent conservative media means unelected globalist billionaires won’t decide who represents the Republican Party. It’s a blessing. Rupert Murdoch supports giving citizenship to over 10 million illegal immigrants. He does not share our values.

Ryan’s Revenge.

The list of people lining up against Trump right now is simply an indicator of how large of a threat he remains to the globalist elite. Fox Corporation board member Paul Ryan, for example, has been actively agitating against Trump.

He attacked Trump before the mid terms, saying he wouldn’t be the 2024 nominee. He was able to make this “prediction” because a long-standing plan involving key establishment figures has been well underway for over a year. In Fox’s “coverage” of Ryan’s attack, they failed to disclose to their audience that he is a board member of their parent company. Fox has a bad habit of hiding their employees’ and even guests’ conflicts of interest. For example, Karl Rove was a panelist on Fox’s Election Night coverage commenting against Trump-endorsed candidates without disclosing his super PAC spent millions opposing them. It’s corrupt.

Before the results were even in, Ryan tried to blame Trump for Republican underperformance. Think about it – the RINO establishment runs bad campaigns, throws money against their own candidates, fails to gear up for any election fraud challenges, and immediately has a strategy ready to blame Trump? It almost all seems intentional. It’s high time someone asked the question as to whether the GOP intentionally threw some of these races, just so they could have this fight.

It’s also strange how the former president gets the blame for defeats when he’s not the one in charge of the Republican Party’s apparatuses for election senators and congressmen. Where is the talk of the poor “candidate quality” of Mitch McConnell’s favorites? Just look at RINO Joe O’Dea in Colorado. He lost his senate election by nearly 12 percent. A week before the election, a longtime McConnell adviser Josh Holmes wrote that O’Dea is running a campaign that is “hall of fame material.”

A Fox in the Hen House.

McConnell declined to support Blake Masters in Arizona. His Senate Leadership Fund spent zero dollars supporting Masters race. Instead, McConnell spent $9 million against Republican Kelly Tshibaka in Alaska.

Any blame on Trump for Republican underperformance also runs against the facts. Analysis revealed that in 2018 “without Donald Trump at the head of the ticket, Republican voters were much less enthusiastic, and the total House vote for Republican candidates fell by nearly 20% from 2016.” Two years later, with Trump on the ballot “Republican turnout for House races was bound to increase significantly over the depressed levels of 2018… Republicans did better, gaining an estimated 21.9 million.”

We saw this again on Tuesday with Mehmet Oz underperforming Trump in parts of Pennsylvania. They want to blame disappointing results on Tuesday on Trump as simply a means to preemptively crush a 2024 bid, without mentioning people like Murdoch, McConnell, and Karl Rove. And that’s because those people control much of the flow of information on the political right.

If Rupert Murdoch got his say, the Republican Party will go back to the days of his board member Paul Ryan. They don’t want “Trumpism without Trump.” They want a Republican Party without any of the populist reforms brought by President Trump. We should be wary of any other candidate the establishment wants to prop up.

They are also purposefully stoking the flames of war between allegiances to Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis. Every ounce of energy directed between the two is a gallon of fuel not going into the long overdue war against McConnell and Murdoch. Getting the America First base to kill off each other is communist strategy 101.

If this News Corp/Fox Corp collusion is an indicator of what the 2024 primary will look like, then Donald Trump is back to being the outsider candidate. Donald Trump needs to seize this opportunity as the outsider to recapture the energy of the 2016 campaign. The system is aligned against him and his voters.

We don’t accept foreign interference in our elections. The Murdochs will regret sticking their Aussie thumbs on the scale.
 

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