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Reagan cut taxes and increased spending significantly.......doesnt seem like a good plan and it wasn't.

What has to happen in the US is cut spend, increase taxes and pay off the debt. This will never happen because the person will never get elected by telling people the truth as to what has to happen. Not me I am not going to pay more....Not me I might lose my cushy government job.....not me if I pay more taxes I wont get to go to Cancun in February. Or maybe Trump says fuck Vina and declares bankruptcy.

Anyone on this site that is over 35 years old has not paid their fair share of taxes. They went into wars and didnt pay for them, they allowed the government to spend more than they collected and now they are passing that debt down to their kids and grandkids. It is a disgrace.
 

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Willie- Regan did have economic growth during his term as it went from a GDP growth of -0.3% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988, but he also grew the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion. This led to the U.S. moving from the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation. Also, he did like to spend- The federal government spent an average of 21.6% GDP from 1982–89, versus the 1974–1981 average of 20.3% GDP.
I do have a question for you though- do you honestly feel that there should be no regulations for businesses?
 

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Reagan cut taxes and increased spending significantly.......doesnt seem like a good plan and it wasn't.

What has to happen in the US is cut spend, increase taxes and pay off the debt. This will never happen because the person will never get elected by telling people the truth as to what has to happen. Not me I am not going to pay more....Not me I might lose my cushy government job.....not me if I pay more taxes I wont get to go to Cancun in February. Or maybe Trump says fuck Vina and declares bankruptcy.

Anyone on this site that is over 35 years old has not paid their fair share of taxes. They went into wars and didnt pay for them, they allowed the government to spend more than they collected and now they are passing that debt down to their kids and grandkids. It is a disgrace.

We definitely don't need to increase taxes, the US gov't takes in 3.5 trillon dollars a year. We just need to cut spending gradually over a prolonged period to reduce the massive size of the federal gov't and all of its long-term entitlement obligations. That is where all the bloat is. Then we can begin phasing out all of these tax breaks and social engineering in the tax code and just have a much lower tax rate across the board.

It really is pretty simple, but it isn't politically feasible like you said.
 

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Willie- Regan did have economic growth during his term as it went from a GDP growth of -0.3% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988, but he also grew the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion. This led to the U.S. moving from the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation. Also, he did like to spend- The federal government spent an average of 21.6% GDP from 1982–89, versus the 1974–1981 average of 20.3% GDP.
I do have a question for you though- do you honestly feel that there should be no regulations for businesses?

Agree the increase in debt was horrible. May be the single largest problem facing our country.
 

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We definitely don't need to increase taxes, the US gov't takes in 3.5 trillon dollars a year. We just need to cut spending gradually over a prolonged period to reduce the massive size of the federal gov't and all of its long-term entitlement obligations. That is where all the bloat is. Then we can begin phasing out all of these tax breaks and social engineering in the tax code and just have a lower flat tax.

It really is pretty simple, but it isn't politically feasible like you said.

The federal government is so big in its spending that you cut off one head and 5 more show up. The government has no idea where all the money goes. People cant expect to pay $1 in and get $2 back. They needed to start move the social security retirement age out way before they did. Too many baby boomers are going to fall into the put $1 in and get $2 back category. If you are going to get serious you need to raise taxes and make it only to pay off the debt.

A balanced budget like states have to have would be a good starting point. If you decided to go to war....you increase taxes immediately to pay for it. Remember all the concern when there was going to be a mandatory 5% cut across the board. Happened and guess what I didn't notice a thing.....maybe they could do it again
 

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The federal government is so big in its spending that you cut off one head and 5 more show up. The government has no idea where all the money goes. People cant expect to pay $1 in and get $2 back. They needed to start move the social security retirement age out way before they did. Too many baby boomers are going to fall into the put $1 in and get $2 back category. If you are going to get serious you need to raise taxes and make it only to pay off the debt.

A balanced budget like states have to have would be a good starting point. If you decided to go to war....you increase taxes immediately to pay for it. Remember all the concern when there was going to be a mandatory 5% cut across the board. Happened and guess what I didn't notice a thing.....maybe they could do it again

Why raise taxes to pay for it though? That isn't where the bloat is. Tax rates are historically pretty high. And then there is all the competition from globalization where $ will flow to where it is best able to be utilized. This isn't the 1950's where we have no competition.

The way to pay for it is to do hard things. People don't like hard things but you need to begin to phase down on SS/medicare and everyone needs to share in that. There is no reason that people don't save for their own medical costs and retirement. There should be a poverty level baseline but anything more than that and the program is doing something that is shouldn't intend to do.

Some deficit spending is OK but it is completely out of control and only going to get worse as the prospects of these programs become more and more dire.


If you raise taxes, where do you think that money is going to go? It's just going to get wasted like the last bunch of times we raised taxes. "Starve the beast" as they say.
 

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Why raise taxes to pay for it though? That isn't where the bloat is. Tax rates are historically pretty high. And then there is all the competition from globalization where $ will flow to where it is best able to be utilized. This isn't the 1950's where we have no competition.

The way to pay for it is to do hard things. People don't like hard things but you need to begin to phase down on SS/medicare and everyone needs to share in that. There is no reason that people don't save for their own medical costs and retirement. There should be a poverty level baseline but anything more than that and the program is doing something that is shouldn't intend to do.

Some deficit spending is OK but it is completely out of control and only going to get worse as the prospects of these programs become more and more dire.


If you raise taxes, where do you think that money is going to go? It's just going to get wasted like the last bunch of times we raised taxes. "Starve the beast" as they say.

I would only use the increased taxes to pay off debt. Spending cuts have to be significant. You just wont get elected by putting up a plan that is real and addresses the issues.

Once you have the debt paid down you have money for other things. Pretty obvious.

I used to think some deficit spending was ok.....problem is that it never ends.....now it is not ok anymore. Someone making $100K having a credit card debt of $2,000 to go on vacation....that is ok. Someone with $10,000 credit card debt to go on vacation making $30,000......Houston now we have a problem
 

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Cutting spending alone would be a lot of austerity and be tough for the economy to handle over the short-term. I think if we had the will to do it that we could, but cutting spending and raising taxes? That is just too much of a departure over a short-period of time.

You would drive the economy into a really bad recession.

Also, while I consider myself hawkish on gov't spending. The problem isn't THAT dire that we need to be so radical in our approach that we would raise taxes. We just need to cut/phase spending down.

Even the best plans I've seen on the subject are pretty much just a giant middle finger to people under 50. Democrats have no plan whatsoever for this, the Republicans atleast have some but they can't really go too far since it isn't going to lose them votes.

None of this has any public support though from either party though, we're basically just talking philosophy rather than politics when addressing it.


When you build up all these imbalances and inefficiencies into the system, they can become very, very tough to untangle.
 

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Tax cuts do not pay for themselves.

That is why you need spending cuts.

That is why our debt will keep exploding.

The fact this never even gets brought up anymore is pretty much reason to quit following politics.

Calvin Coolidge slashed taxes combined with massive spending cuts, and the economy sang to the tune of 7% growth: The Roaring '20s.

It's amazing what happens when the government just gets out of the way.

These days, progressives and their socialist economies are doing cartwheels with 1% growth - the "new normal"

Pathetic.
 

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Entitlements are sucking the coffers dry...programs need to be overhauled. 90 year olds getting open heart surgery was never factored into actuarial tables when programs were designed.
 

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Willie- Regan did have economic growth during his term as it went from a GDP growth of -0.3% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988, but he also grew the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion. This led to the U.S. moving from the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation. Also, he did like to spend- The federal government spent an average of 21.6% GDP from 1982–89, versus the 1974–1981 average of 20.3% GDP.
I do have a question for you though- do you honestly feel that there should be no regulations for businesses?

I actually wasn't planning to post any more in this thread, having said my piece and moving on. I don't want to be a broken record, I try not to participate in the never ending pissing contests, and I don't want to continue with the overwhelming amount of political talk in the main forum. But since you asked me a direct question, I'll respond.

Overall, regulations are an economic anchor. We have regulations to regulate regulations. Regulations increase the costs of doing business, and that simply doesn't grow the economy.

We increased regulations on banks after the 2007 banking crisis. The government now has it's hands in the pockets of all mortgage decisions, the idiocy imposed by mortgage regulations is borderline insanity. The loops good and smart and qualified people have to jump through is shameful. Let banks make lending decisions, let investors assume the risk, and let them lose money when they make bad decisions. Instead we had / have government encouraging those bad decisions by guaranteeing them, and then trying to manage how and when a bad decision can be made. No risk, all reward.

The same regulations make it harder for small businesses to get loans. The loans qualified businesses were able to obtain fairly painlessly have dried up. Now you have private loan companies filling that void, but charging much higher interest rates.

Credit card regulations hurt the people they're supposed to help, making it harder for them to obtain credit.

Automobile manufacturing regulations make manufacturing more expensive, slowing sales growth.

Energy regulations destroyed jobs and increased the costs of energy, and energy is a very important variable in economic growth. High costs slow it down.

Obamacare is an unmitigated across the boards clusterfuck. The costs and TIME wasted trying to enforce and implement it created a great deal of uncertainty and slowed economic growth. The money it directly and indirectly took out of the economy is a large contributor to our lost economic decade.

Everyone knows the climate is changing, it has been changing for 2 billion years or so. Global warming as been happening for about 17,000 years now. Man made global warming is hyperbole, and fruitless regulations to alter the course of climate change once again stunt economic growth. If one scientist can explain why the next cycle of global cooling is not right around the corner, I'll listen. Cycles of 70,000 years of cooling followed by 20,000 years of warming have supposedly been ongoing since the birth of planet earth. Maybe 20,000 or 10,000 or even only 1,000 of such cycles, but why is all of that suddenly changing? I'm going to suggest we spend money to help mankind survive the next pending cycle of global cooling, and stop regulating everything under the pretense of man made global warming

Government is supposed to stay out of the way of economic growth, that's the best thing they can do. Instead career politicians think they can actually micro manage everything in the world, it's surreal from where I'm sitting. They simply have no idea. Our founding fathers didn't want an over-burdensome federal government, they did their best to allow states rights. But we've lost their compass, and the federal government has become an economic anchor, their primary objective seemingly to buy votes and take care of the special interests that give them power.

It's all a charade
 

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