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4 Unit Play. #866. Take Illinois -1 over Michigan State (Sunday @ 4pm est). Glad we were able to secure winning week 6 of 8 in cbb yesterday as Purdue was able to get it done relatively easiliy over Ohio State. Hopefully today's selection will be just as easy. I love the Big10 as it is my favorite conference for College Basketball ATS and I think Michigan State is simply not playing its prime basketball right now. If Michigan State thought they had a tough time in Purdue getting crushed by double-digits, they are going to have their hands full with an Illinois team that was leading Outright at Michigan State earlier this year. Remember, we were on Illinois when they were at Mich. State earlier this year and it cashed nicely for us as they fell inside the number losing by 6 points. Illinois is the same team that beat Purdue at home by 18 points and they can certainly take care of Michigan State with that same revenge. Also, look at the fact that Michigan State after getting thumped at Purdue by 18 came back home to beat Wisconsin by just 11 and then beat Iowa at home by just 8. Frankly, the Spartans have not been all that impressive of late and if they lost to the third best team in the conference in Purdue on the road by 18, barely beat this Illinois team the first time around, with calls going the way of Illinois a bit with the home crowd, there is certainly no reason why Illinois cannot cover this generous spread here. Note, that St. Peter has their Senior night today and should do well too, but let's take the better team in Illinois who has been kind to us all year long at home as they are a 71% free throw shooting team and with a sound defense and a strong presence in the first and second half today, they should get it done over the Spartans - a team they nearly beat on the road and were leading Outright at Michigan State earlier this year. The Illini are 15-6-1 ATS when facing a team with a winning % of greater than 60% meaning they show up against the better teams in the country, 6-2 ATS as a small favorite and Michigan State is 5-11-1 ATS as a road underdog of 0.5 to 6.5 points.
4 Unit Play. #810. Take the Indiana Pacers +2 over the Denver Nuggets (Sunday @ 7pm est). Glad we were able to cash with the Bulls yesterday in a improbable comeback as we secure a winning month with +13 units of total profit. Let's go with Indiana at home today as they face a Nugget team that comes off a huge win over the Lakers. In short, I think the Nuggs have a let down here as bear in mind, this is the same team that Milwaukee, Chicago and even lost to the Nets on the road by 44 points. You don't think they can lose to a Pacer team who beat the Cavs, Lakers, Magic and company at home? Heck, this Pacers team Chicago, Philly and Cleveland all at home without the likes of Granger and Dunleavy. The Pacers in Indiana can make anything happen as they continue to make upset after upset at home and they can do it again here. The Pacers have covered 4 of 5, they have revenge here against the Nuggets who are in a prime spot for a let down as the public gets buried with 70% on Denver, Indiana plays hard from start to finish, is a disciplined team that gets to the free throw line and heck nearly Boston at Boston just in their last game as they return home off a loss. Ford, Jack and Murphy get it done as the public gets buried, but we likely get the cash. Do not trust this Nuggets team as they are 1-4 ATS following a SU win of 10 points or more while the Pacers are 6-0 ATS as home dogs and 8-2 vs. teams with winning % of 60% or more.
4 Unit Play. #866. Take Illinois -1 over Michigan State (Sunday @ 4pm est). Glad we were able to secure winning week 6 of 8 in cbb yesterday as Purdue was able to get it done relatively easiliy over Ohio State. Hopefully today's selection will be just as easy. I love the Big10 as it is my favorite conference for College Basketball ATS and I think Michigan State is simply not playing its prime basketball right now. If Michigan State thought they had a tough time in Purdue getting crushed by double-digits, they are going to have their hands full with an Illinois team that was leading Outright at Michigan State earlier this year. Remember, we were on Illinois when they were at Mich. State earlier this year and it cashed nicely for us as they fell inside the number losing by 6 points. Illinois is the same team that beat Purdue at home by 18 points and they can certainly take care of Michigan State with that same revenge. Also, look at the fact that Michigan State after getting thumped at Purdue by 18 came back home to beat Wisconsin by just 11 and then beat Iowa at home by just 8. Frankly, the Spartans have not been all that impressive of late and if they lost to the third best team in the conference in Purdue on the road by 18, barely beat this Illinois team the first time around, with calls going the way of Illinois a bit with the home crowd, there is certainly no reason why Illinois cannot cover this generous spread here. Note, that St. Peter has their Senior night today and should do well too, but let's take the better team in Illinois who has been kind to us all year long at home as they are a 71% free throw shooting team and with a sound defense and a strong presence in the first and second half today, they should get it done over the Spartans - a team they nearly beat on the road and were leading Outright at Michigan State earlier this year. The Illini are 15-6-1 ATS when facing a team with a winning % of greater than 60% meaning they show up against the better teams in the country, 6-2 ATS as a small favorite and Michigan State is 5-11-1 ATS as a road underdog of 0.5 to 6.5 points.
4 Unit Play. #810. Take the Indiana Pacers +2 over the Denver Nuggets (Sunday @ 7pm est). Glad we were able to cash with the Bulls yesterday in a improbable comeback as we secure a winning month with +13 units of total profit. Let's go with Indiana at home today as they face a Nugget team that comes off a huge win over the Lakers. In short, I think the Nuggs have a let down here as bear in mind, this is the same team that Milwaukee, Chicago and even lost to the Nets on the road by 44 points. You don't think they can lose to a Pacer team who beat the Cavs, Lakers, Magic and company at home? Heck, this Pacers team Chicago, Philly and Cleveland all at home without the likes of Granger and Dunleavy. The Pacers in Indiana can make anything happen as they continue to make upset after upset at home and they can do it again here. The Pacers have covered 4 of 5, they have revenge here against the Nuggets who are in a prime spot for a let down as the public gets buried with 70% on Denver, Indiana plays hard from start to finish, is a disciplined team that gets to the free throw line and heck nearly Boston at Boston just in their last game as they return home off a loss. Ford, Jack and Murphy get it done as the public gets buried, but we likely get the cash. Do not trust this Nuggets team as they are 1-4 ATS following a SU win of 10 points or more while the Pacers are 6-0 ATS as home dogs and 8-2 vs. teams with winning % of 60% or more.
Shame on IC....just goes to my theory that even winning touts are still not completely truthful. Why do I say this?
Well, earlier this morning I was at his home forum and one of his full time clients asked him about his February record and a discrepancy. It seems there is about a 10 unit differential from what he posts vs actual. He said that the site he sells his plays at only counts gross units, not net. I took this to mean they do not subtract juice. WOW. Could this be right??? I know he sells his plays at several different locations, but not sure which place he is referring to. Either way, it is not right. I may be interpreting this wrong, but I don't believe so. If so, shame on him. Not sure what place you can bet even money at but I want to sign up.
Someone who follows him or has a package may be able to confirm or clarify my interpretation, but he just lost some credibility with me. I don't feel so bad about getting his plays for free if that is the case, lol.
Let's say you are playing $100 per unit, not unreasonable for a 4 unit play. That means instead of being up $1000 like advertised you are actually even. Big difference in my book
IC, TELL ME IT ISN'T SO. If so, you are letting yourself be brought down by the rest of the sleeze. If you truly have integrity you would demand that your record speak correctly or seperate yourself from that group. Mamma always said, you are only as good as the company you keep.
Well, earlier this morning I was at his home forum and one of his full time clients asked him about his February record and a discrepancy. It seems there is about a 10 unit differential from what he posts vs actual. He said that the site he sells his plays at only counts gross units, not net. I took this to mean they do not subtract juice. WOW. Could this be right??? I know he sells his plays at several different locations, but not sure which place he is referring to. Either way, it is not right. I may be interpreting this wrong, but I don't believe so. If so, shame on him. Not sure what place you can bet even money at but I want to sign up.
Someone who follows him or has a package may be able to confirm or clarify my interpretation, but he just lost some credibility with me. I don't feel so bad about getting his plays for free if that is the case, lol.
Let's say you are playing $100 per unit, not unreasonable for a 4 unit play. That means instead of being up $1000 like advertised you are actually even. Big difference in my book
IC, TELL ME IT ISN'T SO. If so, you are letting yourself be brought down by the rest of the sleeze. If you truly have integrity you would demand that your record speak correctly or seperate yourself from that group. Mamma always said, you are only as good as the company you keep.
Arizona someone did ask that in his site and all the records were updated. Here is his answer:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by Britton333
Indian Cowboy,
I bought your package about a month ago when you were getting hot and am pleased with the service and writeups. However, there is some discrepancy in your number of units gained. I just went through and added up all the college and NBA picks for the month of Feb. In CBB you were up about +12 units, in the NBA you were down about 8.25 units. Giving you a net gain of approx. 3.75 units. How did you arrive at +13 for the month. Please don't delete this message, I really would like a response on this even if it is not a lengthy one. Also, the January numbers were significantly off as well.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Hi Britton,
IC's Answer:
Sure. I actually answered this question yesterday as another client answered it as well. It is the gross number of units that is listed as profit. I actually sell on more than 1 different site and each one tracks it slightly different. Thsi site treats it as 4 units to win 3.64. Another site I am on treats it as 4.4 units to win 4. Thus, we just stick with the gross units for keeping track as each site differs. I will denote gross units up top, but top10 and other sites keep close of track of net units as well. This is why you see +66 for January as well. And, no need to delete messages as well, you had a valid question and there is your answer.
. gl today. Having said this, we will change this to net units beginning today.
ic
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by Britton333
Indian Cowboy,
I bought your package about a month ago when you were getting hot and am pleased with the service and writeups. However, there is some discrepancy in your number of units gained. I just went through and added up all the college and NBA picks for the month of Feb. In CBB you were up about +12 units, in the NBA you were down about 8.25 units. Giving you a net gain of approx. 3.75 units. How did you arrive at +13 for the month. Please don't delete this message, I really would like a response on this even if it is not a lengthy one. Also, the January numbers were significantly off as well.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Hi Britton,
IC's Answer:
Sure. I actually answered this question yesterday as another client answered it as well. It is the gross number of units that is listed as profit. I actually sell on more than 1 different site and each one tracks it slightly different. Thsi site treats it as 4 units to win 3.64. Another site I am on treats it as 4.4 units to win 4. Thus, we just stick with the gross units for keeping track as each site differs. I will denote gross units up top, but top10 and other sites keep close of track of net units as well. This is why you see +66 for January as well. And, no need to delete messages as well, you had a valid question and there is your answer.
ic
It looks like their customer service tracked it in Net Units for the Guarantee they offer, just the website had in Gross Units, Looks like they CHANGED THIS AND IT IS ALL IN NET UNITS NOW. :toast: I've been his customer before, when he lost a month they always gave me a free month, and when he profited, no freebie for that month like this year, he has, so I re-purchased.
Good stuff guys, thanks.
I understand that one site grades at risk 4.4 to win 4 and another has risk 4 to win 3.6, but the important part is when referrring to NET profit or loss is juice is factored. It sounds as if that is now the case, but maybe was not before.
Moving on......gl today gents
I understand that one site grades at risk 4.4 to win 4 and another has risk 4 to win 3.6, but the important part is when referrring to NET profit or loss is juice is factored. It sounds as if that is now the case, but maybe was not before.
Moving on......gl today gents
I would steer clear of Georgia Southern. For one, books haven't taken into account the Georgia Southern suspensions of Julian Allen, Trumaine Pearson, and Antoine Johnson--these individuals combined for 28 points, 4 steals, 4 blocks, and 17 rebounds the last time these two teams met (Citadel won 84-75). Also, Georgia Southern's leading man Willie Powers put up 14 points, 6 assists, and 3 rebounds in the last meeting--but he has been unable to play since January 14th with an injury to his leg.
Also, Citadel would truly love this win coming off their recent loss to Wofford, especially since it means if they manage to win here, they tie Charleston for 2nd in the Southern Conference. Look for Demetrius Nelson, Cameron Wells, Zach Urbanus, and the emerging John Brown to have big games tonight.
GL everyone.
Also, Citadel would truly love this win coming off their recent loss to Wofford, especially since it means if they manage to win here, they tie Charleston for 2nd in the Southern Conference. Look for Demetrius Nelson, Cameron Wells, Zach Urbanus, and the emerging John Brown to have big games tonight.
GL everyone.
