<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dell Dude:
You guys are an embarrassment. I think middlers and scalpers are to sportsbetting what Muslim terrorists are to Islam. May Allah have mercy on your evil souls.
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You guys are an embarrassment. I think middlers and scalpers are to sportsbetting what Muslim terrorists are to Islam. May Allah have mercy on your evil souls.
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JCW,
Either or. There are 2 ways to approach this. You can find differences at the same time - sometimes with opinion, sometimes with inflation, sometimes with stale lines. This is the squarer and less risky of the two. The second means is to take a lead - maybe you're sharp as hell, or have early injuries or weather status. Of course, you buy back after the dust settles. The only probably with this is that you often sacrifice a bargain (weather, injury) for the sake of middling. It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
K,
Yes, IF you play the right numbers. Don't expect to make money middling 1/2 in football - you'll go broke VERY fast. I'd recommend building/aquiring a few seasons of boxscores and really putting the time to understand the expected ROI on middles.
J loq,
Yes you get 10-1 on a side, 20-1 on a middle IF you play 20 cents. There are enough reduced juice and opinionated shops to reduce this juice dramatically.
For instance, I hit a 63-1 side on a NBA sprear earlier this year. These are extremely rare to find, but they do exist once in a blue moon.
Either or. There are 2 ways to approach this. You can find differences at the same time - sometimes with opinion, sometimes with inflation, sometimes with stale lines. This is the squarer and less risky of the two. The second means is to take a lead - maybe you're sharp as hell, or have early injuries or weather status. Of course, you buy back after the dust settles. The only probably with this is that you often sacrifice a bargain (weather, injury) for the sake of middling. It's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
K,
Yes, IF you play the right numbers. Don't expect to make money middling 1/2 in football - you'll go broke VERY fast. I'd recommend building/aquiring a few seasons of boxscores and really putting the time to understand the expected ROI on middles.
J loq,
Yes you get 10-1 on a side, 20-1 on a middle IF you play 20 cents. There are enough reduced juice and opinionated shops to reduce this juice dramatically.
For instance, I hit a 63-1 side on a NBA sprear earlier this year. These are extremely rare to find, but they do exist once in a blue moon.
lander, the odds I calculated were based on 10c
for example if you bet $100 one way, and $100 the other way, each time you fail to side you lose $10 and each time you successfully side you win $100
therefore you have to win one in ten (well, really one in eleven) to break even
if it were 20c, you would have to win one in five
either way, I simply cannot figure out how people can profit at this
never mind the fact that I'd be uncomfortable with such a shot-in-the-dark approach to gambling --- you could go on an extended losing streak and feel like you've never even tried to use your brain to avoid it
for example if you bet $100 one way, and $100 the other way, each time you fail to side you lose $10 and each time you successfully side you win $100
therefore you have to win one in ten (well, really one in eleven) to break even
if it were 20c, you would have to win one in five
either way, I simply cannot figure out how people can profit at this
never mind the fact that I'd be uncomfortable with such a shot-in-the-dark approach to gambling --- you could go on an extended losing streak and feel like you've never even tried to use your brain to avoid it
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dell Dude:
You guys are an embarrassment. I think middlers and scalpers are to sportsbetting what Muslim terrorists are to Islam. May Allah have mercy on your evil souls.
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Muslim terrorists are losers, not winners, so your analogy must fail.
You guys are an embarrassment. I think middlers and scalpers are to sportsbetting what Muslim terrorists are to Islam. May Allah have mercy on your evil souls.
Muslim terrorists are losers, not winners, so your analogy must fail.
j,
I think you're missing my point.
Say you play at 20 cents (-110 and -110). We'll say that you bet $100. You might have a total of 188.5 and 191
If 189 or 190 hit you win $200. 20-1 payoff.
If 191 hits you win $100 10-1 payoff.
If anything else hits you lose $10.
Say you play at 10 cents (-105 and -105). We'll say that you bet $100. You might have a total of 188.5 and 191
If 189 or 190 hit you win $200. 40-1 payoff.
If 191 hits you win $100 20-1 payoff.
If anything else hits you lose $5.
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Bottom line is that the middle size and the juice MUST be calculated into your ROI before you play these. This is not something that I advise that do blindly.
GL.
I think you're missing my point.
Say you play at 20 cents (-110 and -110). We'll say that you bet $100. You might have a total of 188.5 and 191
If 189 or 190 hit you win $200. 20-1 payoff.
If 191 hits you win $100 10-1 payoff.
If anything else hits you lose $10.
Say you play at 10 cents (-105 and -105). We'll say that you bet $100. You might have a total of 188.5 and 191
If 189 or 190 hit you win $200. 40-1 payoff.
If 191 hits you win $100 20-1 payoff.
If anything else hits you lose $5.
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Bottom line is that the middle size and the juice MUST be calculated into your ROI before you play these. This is not something that I advise that do blindly.
GL.
nope, not missing your point, I was just calling -110 "ten cents", not twenty
so we both have the same math (if not the same language)
anyway it's hard to get real significant $ down at -105, and that's certainly the case for totals
nonetheless, I'd like to see some overall results and see whether this really works, i.e. yields enough $ to warrant all the effort/stress
so we both have the same math (if not the same language)
anyway it's hard to get real significant $ down at -105, and that's certainly the case for totals
nonetheless, I'd like to see some overall results and see whether this really works, i.e. yields enough $ to warrant all the effort/stress
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mvbski:
what stress ? you check the score at the end of the night if it falls, it falls.I would rather do this than to sweat out the last two minutes of a NBA game<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I see your point but, to me, it's much more stressful to be risking money without using my brain
what stress ? you check the score at the end of the night if it falls, it falls.I would rather do this than to sweat out the last two minutes of a NBA game<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I see your point but, to me, it's much more stressful to be risking money without using my brain
Tue 12/23 371 Boise State -3 -105 Over 10½ -135
07:30PM 372 TCU +3 -115 Under 10½ +115
College Football - 1st Quarter Line and Total
12/23/03 604 Boise State OFF -3 (-140) Over 10.5 (-150)
19:30 ET TCU +3 (+110) Under 10.5 (+120)
if TCU wins the 1st quarter I win 25$ if they dont I break even,this is stressfull ?
07:30PM 372 TCU +3 -115 Under 10½ +115
College Football - 1st Quarter Line and Total
12/23/03 604 Boise State OFF -3 (-140) Over 10.5 (-150)
19:30 ET TCU +3 (+110) Under 10.5 (+120)
if TCU wins the 1st quarter I win 25$ if they dont I break even,this is stressfull ?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mvbski:
Tue 12/23 371 Boise State -3 -105 Over 10½ -135
07:30PM 372 TCU +3 -115 Under 10½ +115
College Football - 1st Quarter Line and Total
12/23/03 604 Boise State OFF -3 (-140) Over 10.5 (-150)
19:30 ET TCU +3 (+110) Under 10.5 (+120)
if TCU wins the 1st quarter I win 25$ if they dont I break even,this is stressfull ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> that's a scalp, not a middle
Tue 12/23 371 Boise State -3 -105 Over 10½ -135
07:30PM 372 TCU +3 -115 Under 10½ +115
College Football - 1st Quarter Line and Total
12/23/03 604 Boise State OFF -3 (-140) Over 10.5 (-150)
19:30 ET TCU +3 (+110) Under 10.5 (+120)
if TCU wins the 1st quarter I win 25$ if they dont I break even,this is stressfull ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> that's a scalp, not a middle
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mvbski:
scalpers and middlers generally play both I was just making a point thats all<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> well my point about stress didn't apply to scalping
but my point about effort does apply --- you have to do a lot of line-shopping, and to move lots of money to make a relative pittance
but I'm sure if you're on the ball, it adds up
scalpers and middlers generally play both I was just making a point thats all<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> well my point about stress didn't apply to scalping
but my point about effort does apply --- you have to do a lot of line-shopping, and to move lots of money to make a relative pittance
but I'm sure if you're on the ball, it adds up
